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EDIT: gently caress I always have the worst drat snypes.OldTennisCourt posted:Holy poo poo guys I think Marvel can handle one dude saying he wishes they stopped making movies, he didn't say he wished the a charity would stop existing or something. I genuinely wouldn't give a poo poo if he'd stuck to his guns and said in no uncertain terms "I hate superhero movies and want them to stop being made", what I objected to was the immediate backtracking, and defensiveness towards people accurately quoting him. You don't get to say "I want this genre dead" and then say "it's all a difference of taste" and not expect people to notice a contradiction. Vosgian Beast, if you did not really mean that you want superhero movies to fail, then you should say so, and admit your mistake. If you really did mean that, then own up to it and don't act like people are calling you a Nazi because you don't like the same movies as them, that maybe what you said could be objected to, and if you don't care about the objections, then, well, discussion over. Just don't loving waffle and play martyr.
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DStecks posted:EDIT: gently caress I always have the worst drat snypes. Try not giving a poo poo regardless please. You are accusing this guy of playing martyr because he dislikes the marvel universe you spaz.
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Try not giving a poo poo regardless please. No thanks A Gnarlacious Bro posted:You are accusing this guy of playing martyr because he dislikes the marvel universe you spaz. Try reading comprehension next time, it will take you places in life.
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I like the Marvel movies but I'm 100% sure if not for the use of nerd beloved guys like Joss Whedon the fans of them would be waaaaaaaaay less forgiving.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I like the Marvel movies but I'm 100% sure if not for the use of nerd beloved guys like Joss Whedon the fans of them would be waaaaaaaaay less forgiving. Which is probably why he was chosen, because, let's be honest, Avengers is an incredibly blandly made movie.
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Marvel movies are enjoyable almost in spite of themselves, and their style of directing and choreography in the action scenes was pretty poo poo, except for Winter Soldier and now Daredevil, which when it gets away from unnecessary flips and obvious wires, is pretty goddamn legit. There's good things happening in the comics, and I'd recommend anyone interested in both superhero action and the ideological ramifications of the contemporary superhero and nerd culture at large paradigm to check out the most recent volume of Secret Avengers, by Ales Kot and Michael Walsh, which involves M.O.D.O.K. trying to save the world from a Jose Luis Borges inspired otherworld with the power of love and empathy. And also a sentient bomb named Vladimir.
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I see its time for the weekly reset button, 3,2,3,4 4,2,3 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLKZtppbm_Q Content, Chucks back from his week off and has another SG1 review up, given how big the Stargate franchise is (anyone remember that awful cartoon?) its impressive to see he speaks with almost as much authority on it as he does with Star Trek, he said years ago he wouldn't cover it due to being unfamiliar with the show until he'd caught up and it shows.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:04
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OldTennisCourt posted:I mean, is the glut of superhero movies THAT bad?
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Apr 15, 2015 19:03
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This is outdated, but pretty illustrative, just ignore the Spider-Man stuff:
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I mean, there's literally hundreds of movies beyond those though. Yeah people love em and there are a ton of them, but this whole idea that the very fabric of cinema is being destroyed by superhero films is dumb as hell. There's more than enough indie, interesting, out there stuff being made. It Follows just came out and it's outstanding. It really seems like people are really desperate to not just dislike comic movies but to act like they're literally killing film as an artform when we've had bubbles and film trends since the literal beginning of cinema. If it wasn't superhero films it was going to be sci fi or horror or detective films or something. This isn't exactly a new thing here. V-----It's....super easy to not talk about them? Just bring something else up or just not talk about them. Like are people in the street punching you in the stomach if you deviate from "Oh man Age of Ultron is gonna rule!" It's really not that big a deal dude. OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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No one's saying that the very fabric of cinema is being destroyed, they're saying that it's annoying and boring. It's nigh impossible to avoid talk about them, especially if you're interested in movies.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:This is outdated, but pretty illustrative, just ignore the Spider-Man stuff: Okay. Just, like, don't see all of them? You don't need to see every movie right away, it can wait till it's on home video. Or stop talking about them, you can step out of the conversation for a bit. That would include newsfeeds and forum posts too, which are incredibly easy to ignore. This is probably the reason most people get sick of these movies, because even though the ticket says it's 2 hours and a little bit, in reality you're spending hours, days even, talking with friends about it, watching the trailer on repeat before release, reading previews and watching reviews from a dozen different people, I think by around the point where your cross-referencing comics lore with the movie is the point where you're investing far, far too much into a single 2 hour movie. Repeat up to 9 times a year by 2017 and it's not surprising some people get burnout, to which I say, please watch other movies. Disconnect for a bit. Eat eggs instead of cereal for breakfast. Considering just how saturated with entertainment we are today, I always find it slightly baffling when people say they're sick of something they enjoy, because the obvious answer, to me, is to do something else for a while. Entertainment is not going to go away. We can still watch movies from freaking 1935, the latest 2015 blockbuster is still gonna be there in 2016 when you feel like watching it.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Okay. I'm not really complaining, just pointing it out. e: And I agree with you, it's the nerd hype culture that surrounds these movies that make them so tiresome. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:This is outdated, but pretty illustrative, just ignore the Spider-Man stuff: When the superhero movies start bombing at the box office we're probably going to see a whole lot of these movies canceled. I have no confidence in Ant Man or Fantastic Four succeeding either.
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Mutation posted:When the superhero movies start bombing at the box office we're probably going to see a whole lot of these movies canceled. Careful, Warren J. Marvel-Disney will hear you and shut down all of them forever and fire everyone who makes them.
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Can I just say that I wish joss whedon had never touched the Marvel movies? I like a lot of the individual flicks but I felt that he sidelined most of the cast in Avengers to push Tony Stark and Black Widow to the front simply because they both play into his favorite character archetypes. Cap and Thor got turned into strawmen who are pointlessly disagreeable to screate false drama.
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So can anyone recommend a critic who can say something about Marvel/superhero movies in terms of cinema? e: Checking Brows Held Highs episodes
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Careful, Warren J. Marvel-Disney will hear you and shut down all of them forever and fire everyone who makes them. And you say you're not an rear end in a top hat.  As for internet critics, there's a new Previously Recorded out, this time on Bloodborne. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTf-_FnGz68 Even though I don't usually agree with Jack on gaming fronts, I have to say, I do agree with him a lot on his feelings of discovering poo poo for yourself in games, that's the most fun you can have right there. And after their talk about it, I now really feel that he and Rich would absolutely adore La Mulana. Or hate it. I'm not sure.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:So can anyone recommend a critic who can say something about Marvel/superhero movies in terms of cinema? achillesforever6 posted:http://blip.tv/brows-held-high/the-avengers-between-the-lines-7189206 Also, if you feel like reading a whole lot, Film Crit Hulk has some good stuff on superheroes. Here's his words on Iron Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:And you say you're not an rear end in a top hat. 
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I put a price of 20,000 dyrrim on his head.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Also, if you feel like reading a whole lot, Film Crit Hulk has some good stuff on superheroes. Here's his words on Iron Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2 I suppose there isn't a version that isn't written with that dumb gimmick?
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Since we are talking superheroes, I'd recommend watching Superhero Rewind. It's one man's quest to review every superhero movie ever.
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e X posted:I suppose there isn't a version that isn't written with that dumb gimmick? No. You get used to it. It's also kinda fun to read aloud.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:And you say you're not an rear end in a top hat. I would agree that discovering stuff on your own is great in video games, its what makes stuff like Fallout New Vegas so replayable since I still discover something new with every playthrough. Also I would like to apologize for starting up this superhero bullshit, even though I can get wayyyyyy too defensive for the MCU. This must be what it feels like to be a fan of the Michael Bay Transformers movies, except with less apologizing for racist characters
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Zephirum posted:These topics are pawns. I think they're wonderful.
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Hey todd you fucker when you gonna do a one hit wonderland on rusted root
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FirstAidKite posted:Hey todd you fucker when you gonna do a one hit wonderland on rusted root The greatest tragedy of SA was when the old Internet Critic thread on PYF closed down right when Todd was thinking of getting an account.
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I think the franchise thing is really a spin-off from TV doing so much better nowadays. It used to be TV was kind of looked down on, "real actors" stuck to movies. But now that TV has stepped up its game and been given opportunities that weren't present before, lots of bigger actors are involved and the storytelling is far more satisfying than what can be told in one movie. And comics/superheroes are the perfect venue for franchises because they have pre-existing extended universes and name value. And more movies = more money, so hey. EDIT: Yes to Rusted Root. Send me on my way...
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Miss Wallace posted:I think the franchise thing is really a spin-off from TV doing so much better nowadays. It used to be TV was kind of looked down on, "real actors" stuck to movies. But now that TV has stepped up its game and been given opportunities that weren't present before, lots of bigger actors are involved and the storytelling is far more satisfying than what can be told in one movie. And comics/superheroes are the perfect venue for franchises because they have pre-existing extended universes and name value. And more movies = more money, so hey. Plus, superhero movies translate well across cultures, making them easy sells in non-US markets, which make up a huge portion of Hollywood’s revenues these days. They also have lots of opportunities for marketing tie-ins, and the nerd market is so desperate for validation of their interest in comics that they’ll use a huge chunk of their disposable income to buy up graphic tees and statuettes.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Can I just say that I wish joss whedon had never touched the Marvel movies? I like a lot of the individual flicks but I felt that he sidelined most of the cast in Avengers to push Tony Stark and Black Widow to the front simply because they both play into his favorite character archetypes. Cap and Thor got turned into strawmen who are pointlessly disagreeable to screate false drama. I'm not a big fan of Whedon in general; I'm drawn to stories mainly for characters, and he seems to only view characters as snark dispensers. Not sure I'll bother to see any future Avengers stuff if he's at the helm, despite my general love for the individual characters, since he doesn't seem interested in what makes them cool.
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Hey KKall your marvel video was good. that's all
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FirstAidKite posted:Hey todd you fucker when you gonna do a one hit wonderland on rusted root Well he had 4 Patreon supporters request songs, maybe that's one of the three left. Also now I want to go watch Matilda.
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Miss Wallace posted:I think the franchise thing is really a spin-off from TV doing so much better nowadays. It used to be TV was kind of looked down on, "real actors" stuck to movies. But now that TV has stepped up its game and been given opportunities that weren't present before, lots of bigger actors are involved and the storytelling is far more satisfying than what can be told in one movie. And comics/superheroes are the perfect venue for franchises because they have pre-existing extended universes and name value. And more movies = more money, so hey. Not only that, TV was almost always seen as a stepping stone to movies. The original SNL cast did not leave SNL to TV, they left to do movies. TV becoming diversified not only drove down ratings for the networks, but meant that niche shows liked by a few million could still be hits, and more creative freedom. Shows like Breaking Bad would have never happened 15-20 years ago. Services like Netflix (DVRs as well) have helped, allowing binge watching to help people keep up with heavy serialized shows. Also, the technology has improved to the point that you can shoot TV with movie level cinematography. I think TV is going through an evolution similar to what New Hollywood was in the late 60's and 70's.
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They were only a hit in Canada so it's obviously not going to happen but I'm pretty curious as to how an episode about B-4-4 would go down. (I wonder if there were any Australian bands this insane) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhv6gipA3dc Canadian one hit wonders are either really generic or really bizarre. I don't mean the stuff that everyone knows about like She's So High or The Safety Dance. Artists like Elise Estrada, Belly and Shiloh are lucky that the content law exists because they wouldn't have gotten radio play otherwise. Sure, I heard them constantly in 2007/2008 but no one actually cared about them and they dropped off the radar almost immediately.
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achillesforever6 posted:Well its a good thing that the Russo Brothers seem to be the new darlings of Marvel since they are doing the next Avengers movies and hopefully the quality will be as good as Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier got a lot of buzz, so I am happy for them.
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PassTheRemote posted:TV becoming diversified not only drove down ratings for the networks, but meant that niche shows liked by a few million could still be hits, and more creative freedom. Shows like Breaking Bad would have never happened 15-20 years ago. Services like Netflix (DVRs as well) have helped, allowing binge watching to help people keep up with heavy serialized shows. Also, the technology has improved to the point that you can shoot TV with movie level cinematography. I think it's been slowly percolating since 2000 or so. It probably started with The Sopranos (and possibly The West Wing, to a lesser extent).
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