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Narcissus1916 posted:gently caress Lazarus Pits for completely cheapening death in the Arrow universe. We need explanation on the limits of this awful device, and soon. Dude, they haven't even USED them yet and you're already freaking out and calling the Arrow writing team poo poo.
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Scyantific posted:Dude, they haven't even USED them yet and you're already freaking out and calling the Arrow writing team poo poo. Narcissus1916 is obvious Barry Allen's puppet account. He's back from the future, he's seen the devastation that Lazarus Pits cause, and he's fighting their usage the only way he knows how: bitter posts on an internet comedy forum. In the future, Ray's still awesome.
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Apr 16, 2015 13:12
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Narcissus1916 posted:gently caress Lazarus Pits for completely cheapening death in the Arrow universe. We need explanation on the limits of this awful device, and soon. Ras already said something about how 'the healing powers of the waters are losing their effect on him' so it would appear there is a limit to the amount of exposure you can have to the pit before your body develops a resistance to the effect.
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Apr 16, 2015 13:30
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I'm okay with lazarus pits keeping you from aging. That's totally kosher. But there have been literally tons of stories where characters are burnt, shot, stabbed, impaled, decapitated - but dip them in the mystical do-anything pit and they're back to normal. Oh yeah, and some stories justify it with a "it'll make you insane for like...a day." as some pittance towards consequence. Tell me, when you saw Thea or Roy get stabbed did you get swept up in the moment? Or did you go "pits. lol." and shake your head?
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Apr 16, 2015 13:52
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Ever since the Sarah reveal way back when I've expected dead characters to show up with little or no explanation all the time. It's a staple of comics and they're not gonna stop doing it 
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Apr 16, 2015 13:57
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Narcissus1916 posted:I'm okay with lazarus pits keeping you from aging. That's totally kosher. I'm hoping they will increase the insanity effects as a justification for never using them again.
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Apr 16, 2015 14:13
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Narcissus1916 posted:I'm okay with lazarus pits keeping you from aging. That's totally kosher. With Roy I thought he was right hosed. With Thea I assumed it was a ploy to get Ollie to join since him joining would mean access to the Lazarus Pit.
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Narcissus1916 posted:We need explanation on the limits of this awful device, and soon.
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Narcissus1916 posted:I'm okay with lazarus pits keeping you from aging. That's totally kosher. What's the difference between a Pit and mirakuru bringing you back to life?
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Apr 16, 2015 14:35
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BrianWilly posted:We kinda have one already. They already mention that the Pits lose potency each time it's used. Using it to bring someone back to life will probably deplete this Pit outright. They were losing their effect on Ras himself from continued use, that's it. edit: I hope we get some fish out of water Nyssa stuff soon, it's funny 
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Apr 16, 2015 14:46
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Floppychop posted:With Thea I assumed it was a ploy to get Ollie to join since him joining would mean access to the Lazarus Pit. Yeah, there is no other reason to have Ra's kill her himself.
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Did anyone else see Sarah in the trailer?
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Crowsbeak posted:Did anyone else see Sarah in the trailer? I can't tell if it was Sara or Laurel in the outfit.
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Crowsbeak posted:Did anyone else see Sarah in the trailer? I thought it was her for sure but I think it's Laurel 
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Apr 16, 2015 17:52
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TLG James posted:What's the difference between a Pit and mirakuru bringing you back to life? All the mirakuru in the world is gone now.
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Valeyard posted:I thought it was her for sure but I think it's Laurel If that's Laurel she's wearing Sara's costume...
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Apr 16, 2015 17:56
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Valeyard posted:I thought it was her for sure but I think it's Laurel Actually only Sara's costume has the exposed arms. Laurel's is full coverage.
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Apr 16, 2015 17:58
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There we go then, mission accomplished
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Oh man I completely forgot about Merlyn. Maybe uniting Ollie and Merlyn in pissed off gonna gently caress you up mode wasn't the best of ideas. I mean I know he's trying to get Ollie to kill him and take his place, but drat son, you just brought the entire team down on your head.
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Apr 16, 2015 18:25
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code:TLG James posted:What's the difference between a Pit and mirakuru bringing you back to life? None, really. They're both pretty dumb and cheapen death.
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Narcissus1916 posted:gently caress Lazarus Pits for completely cheapening death in the Arrow universe. We need explanation on the limits of this awful device, and soon. I think it's worse that they busted it out for Thea, but not Ollie. She just isn't important enough. Also lmao at Merlyn's entire plan to save Thea's life backfiring just a little bit. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:I think it's worse that they busted it out for Thea, but not Ollie. She just isn't important enough. I think that it holds up to Ollies reasoning. He was willing to let himself die/rot in prison/go away, but he will (presumably) without a second thought take up the mantle of the Demon's Head in order to save Thea. If he had access to the Pit from the beginning, he would argue that it should never be used for him, but immediately dunk Thea given the necessity
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Apr 16, 2015 20:44
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JohnSherman posted:
Are spoiler tags needed for previews too?
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Apr 16, 2015 20:49
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Yeah gently caress the writing team for introducing and using a tool that's directly connected to the season's villain, right?  Seriously, the pits were just introduced. It's not like they decided to go grab Tommy, Moira, Robert, Yao Fei, and Shado and toss them all into the pit.
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Narcissus1916 posted:gently caress Lazarus Pits for completely cheapening death in the Arrow universe. We need explanation on the limits of this awful device, and soon. Yeah gently caress them for including a important part of the season villain mythos. I mean its not like the pits were introduced at the same time as Ra's was?
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bobkatt013 posted:Yeah gently caress them for including a important part of the season villain mythos. I mean its not like the pits were introduced at the same time as Ra's was? I agree, people who write comics are bad at telling good stories.
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Apr 16, 2015 20:58
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JohnSherman posted:I agree, people who write comics are bad at telling good stories. Like Arrow as they have comic book writers on the writing staff!
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Apr 16, 2015 21:02
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TLG James posted:What's the difference between a Pit and mirakuru bringing you back to life? Sure it's worked on every named character, but hey.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:05
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bobkatt013 posted:Like Arrow as they have comic book writers on the writing staff! So we agree. I love how whenever the Lazarus Pit is (rightly) attacked as a lovely plot device, people defend it not by saying how it's actually clever or compelling, but by saying that it's always been part of the character. "We've always done it like this" is not a good reason to continue doing something.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:07
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Name ONE person on ARROW that has been brought back to life using the Pits. Ra's healing his hand does not count.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:08
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I would like to take the time out again to remember that if this was season 1 I would be ecstatic at the idea of Thea getting run through not horrified and fearful at what will happen to her after getting dunked in the Pit
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Apr 16, 2015 21:09
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JohnSherman posted:So we agree. Have you tried being clever or compelling? It's exhausting.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:17
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Scyantific posted:Yeah gently caress the writing team for introducing and using a tool that's directly connected to the season's villain, right? Oh poo poo, remember that episode where they introduced Shado's secret twin sister? That was really really stupid
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Apr 16, 2015 21:29
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Man, it sure would've been more compelling when Ras killed Thea if he hadn't stabbed Oliver in exactly the same way and Oliver was fine a couple weeks later.
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boom boom boom posted:Man, it sure would've been more compelling when Ras killed Thea if he hadn't stabbed Oliver in exactly the same way and Oliver was fine a couple weeks later. But Oliver doesn't know how to make tea from ~the mysterious orient~.
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Oh hey, they removed a character! Finally an actual change! ...wait, it was just Roy. We're still in the same situation as usual considering he was a non-entity in the show. Okay. The fake-out with Roy/Thea was pretty good, as was everyone saying bye to Roy. Brandon Routh is still the best part of season 3. It's pretty sad how despite being an absolutely good person who has been nothing but helpful, he gets repaid by Felicity being an idiot who wants to gently caress someone else but can't just go and say it to him, instead she's constantly wavering between "do I love Ray no I love Oliver but let's gently caress and kiss Ray and pretend I'm a couple but wait Oliver". Both Arrow and Flash really need to stop every romantic plot forever. They're really, really bad and only make characters more unlikable. At least Oliver seems to be slightly growing as a character? Too little, too late, but hey maybe it will lead to something. Just maybe. I'd rather watch a full show about The Atom though, considering he doesn't make me want to punch him in the face repeatedly.
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I wonder if post-pit Thea will become Speedy. With Roy gone, the sidekick slot is open, and she's in on the secret.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Are spoiler tags needed for previews too? Yes. I don't think people bother to report it, but it is a rule. quote:SPOILER RULES: Are you talking about something that's already aired in an episode on the East Coast? Then you don't need spoiler tags. Are you talking about something that you only saw in a preview, or a commercial, or or due to a leaked ANYTHING? Then you need spoiler tags. Casting information is not a spoiler. Unless it obviously IS a spoiler, like a recurring character that was presumed dead or something coming back. Honestly, just use common sense. Netflix shows "air" all at once, so once they go up, there's no need for spoiler tags in that show's thread. You should still use them in other threads that might mention the show for at least a month. poo poo like this falls under the "common sense" clause.
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