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Raenir Salazar posted:Eeeeh the US had a considerable qualitative advantage in a number of respects, particular AA guns and so on as the war dragged on. I guess it wasn't clear that I was joking and agreeing with Alchenar - i.e. that the losing side tends to have a tendency to talk about how they were totally the better fighters and only lost because the other side cheated and bought superior numbers, no, really, ignore any signs of the other side being at all cunning or effective. The Wehrmacht in particular if I recall was guilty of this, and come to think of the it the US in the Korean War as well.
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Ofaloaf posted:The ideal, imo, would be to have characters speak in the English-language equivalents to their own regional accents in their native tongue, but that'd be a bit tricky. 
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HEY GAL posted:I'm trying to imagine doing that for Germany, and Just have them all speak in British accents and make the rowdy peasants be Cockney or Scottish, and film it all in the gray countryside of Wales. That's all the work you ever need to do.
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TheChimney posted:What are your recommendation(s) for readable histories of the 30 years war? For the Vietnam War, Turley's "The Second Indochina War: A Concise Political and Military History" is the gold standard contemporary textbook. If you want something a little more literary, Sheehan's "A Bright Shining Lie" covers pretty much everything that matters, and is a great biography of a fascinating, exemplary, and tragic figure of 20th century American military power and statecraft.
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chitoryu12 posted:Just have them all speak in British accents and make the rowdy peasants be Cockney or Scottish, and film it all in the gray countryside of Wales. That's all the work you ever need to do. Yeah, that's basically what they did with HBO's Rome isn't it? I'm just a lowly colonial though, so my grasp on British accents is really crude. Also, Rome was such an amazing show. Having just watched that, and the newest episode of Game of Thrones really reminded me how much better the former is.
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If you're interested in Vietnam, you can do a lot worse than We Were Soldiers Once, And Young.
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PittTheElder posted:Pretty understandable why it got cut though, that $110M budget for the first series is pretty bananas. Just came a few years too early. Jesus, that was the budget? I guess we can just imagine the post Octavain Augustus Caesar dickery.
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PittTheElder posted:Pretty understandable why it got cut though, that $110M budget for the first series is pretty bananas. Just came a few years too early. They should have done the 3rd series with hand puppets.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Jesus, that was the budget? Yeah, and in 2002, before social media and the HBO explosion. As all TV show (co-)creators seem to, Heller planned for it being much longer than it was: quote:I discovered halfway through writing the second season the show was going to end. The second was going to end with the death of Brutus. Third and fourth season would be set in Egypt. Fifth was going to be the rise of the Messiah in Israel. But because we got the heads-up that the second season would be it, I telescoped the third and fourth season into the second one, which accounts for the blazing speed we go through history near the end. There's certainly more than enough history to go around. Just imagine if they could have taken the extra like $2M that GoT got for Blackwater, and used it to film Pharsalus or something.
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A season on Tiberius seems like it would really have been boring as gently caress. "you guys in the Senate do whatever, going to Campania l8rz"
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Tomn posted:The US Navy didn't beat the Imperial Japanese Navy because they were better, they just had more of everything, and would have totally lost if all of their units had lined up against their opposite numbers in a duel to the death. Like you don't see the Vietnamese or the PLA complaining against having to fight the US industrial economy (though probably because they ended up achieving their strategic goals).
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Tomn posted:I guess it wasn't clear that I was joking and agreeing with Alchenar - i.e. that the losing side tends to have a tendency to talk about how they were totally the better fighters and only lost because the other side cheated and bought superior numbers, no, really, ignore any signs of the other side being at all cunning or effective. The Wehrmacht in particular if I recall was guilty of this, and come to think of the it the US in the Korean War as well. Imagine it from the German side. You kick off Barbarossa with huge successes and you deal with so many guys you're expecting them to collapse any day now. After a while of you and them trading gut blows and chewing up more and more men, they start hitting you and they've got three or so times the men. And from there on out, whenever you fight them in numbers, they've got something like three to five times the men and they just keep hitting you, and you don't think they're concentrating force there in a huge way, so it feels like they're just got some hugely greater number of men, after you've gutted their army.
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JaucheCharly posted:Literally any match against the Khergits. I can only recall winning once. quote:Fifth was going to be the rise of the Messiah in Israel.
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Fangz posted:Back in WWI, the Germans were able to win against the Russian Empire despite facing a much greater numerical disadvantage. Whenever people ramble on about the Soviets being incompetent and terrible at fighting and only won through superior numbers I tell them that they were thinking of WWI, not WWII, and it didn't work out.
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Phobophilia posted:Like you don't see the Vietnamese or the PLA complaining against having to fight the US industrial economy (though probably because they ended up achieving their strategic goals). Isaac Asimov interestingly enough made the same observation; the US can complain about being "outnumbered" all it wants but on the flipside why can't the PLA complain about being outnumbered in calories the US could spend in terms of energy expended?
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Arquinsiel posted:Find a hill, get everyone to hold it and shield wall up while they start to circle. They eventually run out of arrows and have to charge, and then you counter-charge downhill and murder them all. Probably was gonna have what's his face, Octavia's manservant/assassin be a Christian disciple or a Jewish zealot. Or both. Probably too old to survive until the first revolt, though. Would have been interesting to see Josephus's shenanigans if they got that far.
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Titus Pullo going to Germania and taming a tribe there becoming a Barbarian General  .
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SeanBeansShako posted:Titus Pullo going to Germania and taming a tribe there becoming a Barbarian General TItus Pullo then goes and orchestrates the Teutoberg Forest ambush.
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Unpopular opinion: I'm kind of glad HBO's Rome ended before it wound up overlapping with my beloved I, Claudius.
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Cythereal posted:If you're interested in Vietnam, you can do a lot worse than We Were Soldiers Once, And Young. Agreed. The book is eminently readable even if you're not a sperg, and gives a good view of the lead-up to the helicopter assaults, particularly from a mid-level leadership point of view.
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100 Years Ago The British Army begins suspending prison sentences for soldiers convicted of military crimes, a cavalry trooper has what the paper might call a "Thrilling Experience" on Hill 60 as he tries to work out what all the clanging and banging from the German lines is about, and Sir Ian Hamilton continues his diet of hard work, gentle self-bullshit and casual racism. quote:Worked all day in my office like a friend of the family and by mid-day had got almost as black as my simile! We are coaling and life has grown dark and noisy.
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Japanese Explosive Ordnance: Army and Navy Ammunition Army Projectiles: Part 11 15cm Ammunition There are three 150mm Howitzers and for 150mm Gun in use by the Japanese Army. These weapons vary greatly in design from a very short range howitzer to long range field guns. The projectiles for 150mm ammunition are not as interchangeable as in the 75mm or 105mm sizes. Usually there is one type of projectile designed for use in the howitzers and another type designed for use in the guns. Even when the same projectile is used in both howitzers and guns, it will differ in that it will have a single rotating band when it is used in a howitzer, but when used in a gun it will have a double rotating band. All the weapons with the exception of the Type 89 gun, which uses a bag charge, use semifixed ammunition. The cases and projectiles will be treated separately, as was done with 75mm and 105mm ammunition.       Type 92 15cm (150mm) High Explosive Projectile  Weight of projectile complete: 36kg Weight of filling: No Data Filling: Angoyaku (RDX and ammonium nitrate) Diameter at bourrelet: 149mm Length overall (w/o fuze): 563.6mm Length protruding from case (w/o fuze): 506.4mm Width of rotating band: 20mm Fuzing: -Type 88 instantaneous nose fuze -Type 88 short delay nose fuze Used in: -Type 4 year howitzer, case A 10 and 3/16 inches - case B 8 and 7/8 inches -Type 96 howitzer, case 12 and 5/8 inches -Type 38 howitzer case 4 and 1/4 inches Type 93 15cm (150mm) High Explosive Projectile  *I believe the this projectile is named incorrectly in its drawing Weight of projectile, filled (w/o fuze): 40.29kg Weight of filling: No Data Filling: Cast TNT Diameter at copper bourrelet: 149.3mm Length overall (w/o fuze): 593.7mm Length protruding from case (w/o fuze): 544mm Width of rotating band: -Forward: 25.4mm -Aft: 19.1mm Width of copper bourrelet: 31.75mm Fuzing: -Type 90 instantaneous short delay fuze Used in: -Type 89 -Type 45 gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 7 year gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 90 gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches Type 92 15cm (150mm) High Explosive Long Pointed Projectile  Weight of projectile, filled (w/o fuze): 30.9kg Weight of filling: 5.0kg Filling: Cast TNT Diameter at bourrelet: 148mm Length overall (w/o fuze): 581mm Length protruding from case: 492.1mm Width of rotating band: 14.28mm Width at copper bourrelet: 19.1mm Fuzing: -Type 88 instantaneous nose fuze -Type 88 short delay nose fuze Used in: -Type 4 year howitzer, case A 10 and 3/16 inches - case B 8 and 7/8 inches -Type 96 howitzer, case 12 and 5/8 inches -Type 38 howitzer case 4 and 1/4 inches Type 93 15cm (150mm) High Explosive Long Pointed Projectile  Weight of projectile, filled (w/o fuze): 40.23kg Weight of filling: No Data Filling: Cast TNT Diameter of copper bourrelet: 149.2mm Length overall (w/o fuze): 620.2mm Length protruding from case (w/o fuze): 516mm Width of rotating band: -Forward: 25.4mm -Aft: 19.1mm Width of copper bourrelet: 31.8mm Fuzing: -Type 90 instantaneous short delay fuze Used in: -Type 89 -Type 45 gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 7 year gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 90 gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches Type 95 15cm (150mm) Armor Piercing High Explosive Projectile  Weight of projectile, filled and fuzed: 36.1kg Weight of filling: 2.3kg Filling: Two preformed blocks of high grade TNT Diameter at bourrelet: 150mm Length of projectile (w/o fuze): 449.3 Length protruding from case: 406.4mm Width of rotating band: 20.6mm Fuzing: -Type 95 medium howitzer mortar base fuze Used in: -Type 4 year howitzer, case A 10 and 3/16 inches - case B 8 and 7/8 inches -Type 96 howitzer, case 12 and 5/8 inches -Type 38 howitzer case 4 and 1/4 inches -Type 45 gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 7 year gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 90 gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 89 gun, Bag Charge Remarks: When this projectile is used in a howitzer, it has a single rotating band, but when it is used in guns it has a double rotating band. 15cm (150mm) Armor Piercing High Explosive Projectile  Weight of projectile, filled: 44.54kg Weight of filling: 5.2kg Filling: Picric acid in two preformed, paper-wrapped blocks. Diameter at copper bourrelet: 149.2mm Length overall: 584.2mm Length protruding from case (w/o fuze): 544.5mm Width of rotating band: -Forward: 25.4mm -Aft: 19.1mm Fuzing: -Type 88 small base fuze Used in: -Type 4 year howitzer, case A 10 and 3/16 inches - case B 8 and 7/8 inches -Type 96 howitzer, case 12 and 5/8 inches -Type 38 howitzer case 4 and 1/4 inches -Type 45 gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 7 year gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 90 gun, case 48 and 1/32 inches -Type 89 gun Remarks: When this projectile is used in a howitzer, it has a single rotating band, but when it is used in guns it has a double rotating band. Type 13 Year Smoke (W.P.) Projectile  Weight of projectile, filled (w/o fuze): 33.63kg Bursting Charge: Cast Picric Acid - 1kg Chemical Agent: 3.62kg -W.P. is contained in a brass cylinder fitted below the bursting charge. To prevent movement within the projectile, the container is surrounded by wax. 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Biffmotron posted:If you want something a little more literary, Sheehan's "A Bright Shining Lie" covers pretty much everything that matters, and is a great biography of a fascinating, exemplary, and tragic figure of 20th century American military power and statecraft. Thanks for this recommendation! I found it on audiobook, and Robertson Dean is one of my favorite readers/voice actors.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Thanks for this recommendation! I found it on audiobook, and Robertson Dean is one of my favorite readers/voice actors.
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Rincewind posted:Unpopular opinion: I'm kind of glad HBO's Rome ended before it wound up overlapping with my beloved I, Claudius. HBO and BBC2 got the rights to do a new I, Claudius miniseries, but that was in 2011 and there hasn't been any news since. Home Box Office, where are my eagles? Digiwizzard fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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In the tradition of war related advertisements.
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Somebody needs to make a desperate cable television sales advertisement using all that.
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Patrick Spens posted:In the tradition of war related advertisements. I quite like the spirit of that poem above the ad, though the poem itself isn't really very good. "Here's to the CONTINENT, God's gift to the free! Here's defiance to tyrants across the blue sea! They shall quake at the names of Grant, Sherman, and Lee! Now that Richmond has fallen!" It's such a hopeful, wildly enthusiastic poem. I especially like how it envisions Grant, Sherman, and Lee all fighting together in some future conflict, united again and telling everyone to gently caress off because they're the best and most proven generals in all the world and they're at peace once more and America's back, baby!
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Man it must have sucked for people who were so optimistic thinking the South would just accept defeat and support the reconstruction of their cities and society.
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FAUXTON posted:Man it must have sucked for people who were so optimistic thinking the South would just accept defeat and support the reconstruction of their cities and society. Burn it again IMO.
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Richmond has fallen! this of course means low low prices for everyone involved! these deals cannot be beat even by those crazy northern carpet baggers! For example, take this pile of genuine butternut brown and slightly blood soaked Confederate shell jackets! only previously worn once and battle damaged for that extra authentic feel you'd be downright crazy and against states rights not to pick up this bargain! More of the sentimental type? well why not take this still burning pile of lumber part of the many still burning buildings of Richmond! It is a HOT HOT deal! Remember, we only accept US Federal dollars now, or lead to cast bullets! no other legal tender accepted!
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This is an AUTHENTIC pile of ashes from Atlanta!
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Trin Tragula posted:100 Years Ago in WWI Could you add a way to search the advertisements? I can't find the London ad for "A Tremendous Slaughter of Prices". We're cutting prices like machine gunners cut down men. Deals stack up in heaps everywhere.
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October 23rd 1914, and not easily, although I'll probably go back there and make sure "Tremendous Slaughter in Prices" appears in the text of the entry so it can be searched for directly. edit: apparently I wasn't doing Our Advertising Feature at that point, but it should pop up here in just a moment.  Anyone for The Crow Master Vibrator? Only 29 shillings and ninepence! Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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Disinterested posted:Burn it again IMO. It wasn't the burning that helped, it was the federal occupation and civil protections enforced by those soldiers.
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FAUXTON posted:It wasn't the burning that helped, it was the federal occupation and civil protections enforced by those soldiers. Yeah but that only happens if you let them know who won and who lost.
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