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zedprime posted:I haven't done any practical tests on the matter, but in the mean time it should be possible to replace 4 way intersections of 4 lane streets (and maybe 6 lane? Not sure of their behavior) with a 8 way 2 lane chaos intersection with a relatively small footprint. Basically a 4 lane terminating into 2x one way two lanes on the correct sides of the street is lightless, do this 4 times at the projected intersection and you have a 8 way party intersection that's not entirely not round about like the way the AI drives.
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I think the UK and Oz and the rest of the world use mini-roundabouts and the US doesn't because the US apparently has unlighted all-way-stop-intersections and I mean what the gently caress is with that whereas here in Oz the only way to give all directions equal priority without lights is a roundabout.
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Apr 16, 2015 14:53
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Tunga posted:It's more of an aesthetic thing. In the UK we use mini-roundabouts a lot so that's naturally what I want to see at junctions where several fairly busy two-lane roads meet. Also I was wrong about a 4 lane 4 way chaos intersection being a better footprint than the equivalent roundabout but doesn't it look loving amazing? 
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Apr 16, 2015 14:55
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Captain Mediocre posted:Why not have both? AKA the Milton Keynes solution. I'm thinking of building a mini Milton Keynes, or a full scale Milton Keynes, as a suburb in my current city, just to see how it works. Hopefully it will work like the real world MK (terribly)! I just need someone to make a 70s new town shopping centre and housing build set and I'll be all over that.
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zedprime posted:Fair enough, I had the wrong picture of a mini roundabout in my head.  Can't find a good photo of a four-way but it's the same idea. In the US I think you get a thing, I think you call it a "four-way stop"? Instead of those we would put a mini-roundabout down.
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Tunga posted:This is the kind of thing I'm talking about : Where you see an orderly system of traffic conveyance, I see opportunity:  I've run into a few on sidestreets in OC, California. They had substantial curbs to prevent that. I assume the average California driver attempted to make up for it by taking the roundabout even faster because there were 5mph speed bumps at the entrances.
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Apr 16, 2015 15:22
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zedprime posted:My brain shortcutted to "smaller roundabout" because of some of the complaints about the radius needed to properly tee off a roundabout in the game being slightly excessive. I can confirm this. There's a large roundabout to a park nearby and people would drive over it- only if they had the clearance.
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We don't have any painted roundabouts here. They're all raised, usually a low rim that busses or trucks could mount and then a high centre. If they're small enough the whole thing will be low but Melbourne streets tended to be wide from the start so there's usually enough room for a full one.
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Apr 16, 2015 16:09
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MikeJF posted:We don't have any painted roundabouts here. They're all raised, usually a low rim that busses or trucks could mount and then a high centre. If they're small enough the whole thing will be low but Melbourne streets tended to be wide from the start so there's usually enough room for a full one. do the roundabouts have cut-throughs in them the width of an ambulance's wheel base? They do that with all the speed bumps around here now, and I would think it would have the same concern. Of course, assholes in their trucks can (do) also use it to ignore the speed bumps.
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No, but there's enough road that an ambulance wouldn't have to mount the roundabout if it was just going around it. Unless it was some kind of giant bus ambulance.
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zedprime posted:Fair enough, I had the wrong picture of a mini roundabout in my head. It'd be an interesting aestethic toggle since it'd probably be worse for the traffic than the 4-way chaos intersections you get with the default 2 lane roads anyway. So was the swastika intended or not?
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GrossMurpel posted:So was the swastika intended or not? Accidentally building swastikas is an accepted hazard of city building games.
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Captain Mediocre posted:Why not have both? AKA the Milton Keynes solution. I've never been to MK (and I hope never to go there) but I can never get enough of looking at maps and pictures of the place. It's like someone decided to combine every single bad idea in urban planning into one, and it's amazing how they came up with creative design solutions to combine them and make what is basically one huge soulless suburb. No wonder the British poo poo on it so much.
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Tunga posted:This is the kind of thing I'm talking about : Theres a bunch of these in Seattle, but they put raised things in the middle so you can't just drive straight through.
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I'm pretty burnt out on the Long Lines building so I made something else. I'll continue to tinker with long lines while doing a few other projects. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=426061488 
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Hubis posted:do the roundabouts have cut-throughs in them the width of an ambulance's wheel base? They do that with all the speed bumps around here now, and I would think it would have the same concern. Of course, assholes in their trucks can (do) also use it to ignore the speed bumps. Reason posted:Theres a bunch of these in Seattle, but they put raised things in the middle so you can't just drive straight through.  . Most junctions there are a lot bigger though, unless these are more out of town?Bit of a tangent but yeah, I want smaller roundabouts in Skylines. Tunga fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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Apr 16, 2015 17:42
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MikeJF posted:We don't have any painted roundabouts here. They're all raised, usually a low rim that busses or trucks could mount and then a high centre. If they're small enough the whole thing will be low but Melbourne streets tended to be wide from the start so there's usually enough room for a full one. In Texas (yes there are roundabouts in Texas), I see a lot of roundabouts with raised gardens in the center as a mixture of area beautification and to keep people from driving straight through them in their massive trucks. Even the biggest rear end in a top hat needs a few drinks in him to think it's a good idea to try to skip the roundabout by going straight through waist-high concrete walls.
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Alkydere posted:In Texas (yes there are roundabouts in Texas), I see a lot of roundabouts with raised gardens in the center as a mixture of area beautification and to keep people from driving straight through them in their massive trucks. Even the biggest rear end in a top hat needs a few drinks in him to think it's a good idea to try to skip the roundabout by going straight through waist-high concrete walls. Yeah, that's what they tend to do here too. Put a few plants in the bit in the middle.
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At least until they go too far and build up the plants so high you can't see the far side. It's awesome when people just do stuff without considering the overall effect.
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xzzy posted:At least until they go too far and build up the plants so high you can't see the far side. thats also on roundabouts where theres a super long sightline and soome tried (and failed) to get onto the rounabout ahead of someone. The less pretty version of the same concept:  link which is to disuade people from taking the roundabout at 70mph.
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Apr 16, 2015 18:26
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Is there any way to make steam automatically subscribe to dependencies?
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I've gotten lots of feedback that it isn't Hamsterdam-y enough so I'm gonna make a busted up L1 version, then once Przbylewski saves all the kids it can upgrade to the L2 version
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xzzy posted:At least until they go too far and build up the plants so high you can't see the far side. A while ago, someone in the traffic engineer thread mentioned that you're not supposed to have good sight to the opposite side of a full roundabout. The idea being that traffic entering should only consider whether to yield based on circling traffic at most a quarter turn before. Having too good visibility could lower efficiency.
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I'm in the market for a mod collection that neatly pulls together parks and plazas of various sizes and themes, for all the little nooks and crannies in my city. Anyone know of such a spectacle? edit: :3
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nielsm posted:A while ago, someone in the traffic engineer thread mentioned that you're not supposed to have good sight to the opposite side of a full roundabout. The idea being that traffic entering should only consider whether to yield based on circling traffic at most a quarter turn before. Having too good visibility could lower efficiency. Where I am there are small roundabouts that you can see all of and sure enough barely anyone knows what the gently caress they're doing and just treats it like a 4 way hybrid stop/yield where they a) stop at the entrance of the roundabout regardless if there is traffic in the circle or not, and b) will wait until all cars clear out of the circle before entering. Had a car honk at me the other day because I entered the roundabout when they were still on the opposite side of it. Get hosed, stop speeding. Assholes. The only redeeming thing is that they are new roundabouts in an area that has never had any roundabouts at all and I think most people just legit don't know what the gently caress to do.
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ShootaBoy posted:So it seems one of the recent updates made all the custom LUT's have the same generic name, anyone know how to fix this? It was the last patch, and no, but if you find out please let us know. I mentioned it when it first started, but no one seemed to care. KKKlean Energy posted:I'm in the market for a mod collection that neatly pulls together parks and plazas of various sizes and themes, for all the little nooks and crannies in my city. I don't know of an all-encompassing collection, but here's my collection of a few smaller plazas I've made: http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=419745533 I might make more in the future. Longbaugh01 fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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Apr 16, 2015 22:21
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Oh God drat it of course the SC4 community is going to drown us in a sea of loving dependencies.
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The thing with dependencies is if you subscribe to something that has them, it pops up saying you need "bobs citrus tree 1, leanne's box prop" and so on, and they are all clickable and easy to subscribe to. So we have that, at least.
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Poizen Jam posted:Oh God drat it of course the SC4 community is going to drown us in a sea of loving dependencies. And some of those dependencies also are used as trees or decor! I downloaded a building that needed hedges. The hedges are props that also show up in the trees section too. Wonderful! 
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What happens if you just use the building without downloading the props it needs? Will it crash or will it just not appear in the menu or will you be able to plop the thing but just have blank spots where the props where?
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Apr 16, 2015 23:36
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  Fake-edit: Some of the dependencies have dependencies, and there's no collection for 'subscribe all' 
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How the gently caress does this game have dependencies? Shouldn't buildings/parks/etc include all the required stuff in the first place?
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How the gently caress did it get to that stage so fast?
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I don't know how I feel about roundabouts. On the one hand they flow really well and are pretty much the answer to all minor traffic issues. On the other, when they fail, they fail spectacularly. When your roundabout gets overloaded you pretty much get utterly boned with gridlock, whereas a lighted intersection will still work albeit slowly. I have had times where my network works swimmingly until I place some new zones that cause a momentary rush of new vehicles that just ruins everything. It eventually settles down but that rush is killer.
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^The solution to that problem is more roundabouts.
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my college town has the opposite problem. they put "art" in the middle of an intersection, now people think it's a roundabout, blow through the stop sign and swerve into the crosswalks with pedestrians. real genius move there, guys. http://www.krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/news/arcata-public-works-addresses-intersection-confusion/31790730
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