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GreyPowerVan posted:Is there ever a chance to elect a candidate who actually cares about poverty or is that just a pipe dream? Andrew Jackson cared about poverty. He had some unsound ideas on how to solve it, but he cared. I mean, not as much as he cared about dueling over his wife's honor, but it was at least closely after shooting Clay or hanging Calhoun.
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Venom Snake posted:
Rand Paul makes me worry about my dad's opinion of me.
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Venom Snake posted:Resurrect LBJ or FDR I am leaning Sanders at this point. Think Rand drank the Kool aid when it comes to bombings. Either way, Hillary just looks silly carrying her luggage around and flying coach. Does anyone seriously think this will work? I really hope Hillary goes down in flames when the primaries start. I can't see how anyone can take her serious. Sanders winning would be so sweet though 
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Enigma89 posted:Either way, Hillary just looks silly carrying her luggage around and flying coach. Does anyone seriously think this will work? Connecticut born Ivy Leaguer GWB sold himself as a rootin' tootin' cowboy and got himself elected over Ann Richards as governor of Texas. Even got himself a ranch in Crawford just in time to get elected President, that was fake as hell too but it was easily sold to enough people that it "worked". People will largely believe what they want to believe, they just need a little fig leaf covering the truth.
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Come on, even I'm not unrealistic enough to think that Sanders has a chance in hell. And FDR might need some cultural reprogramming after we resurrect him.
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I know that elections are largely determined by the state of the economy, but I do wonder about what impact Obamacare might have. Is there any precedent for the fate of a newly implemented entitlement to hinge on an upcoming election the way Obamacare does? I have to imagine that the tangible benefits of Obamacare might be difficult for people to let go of regardless of how they feel about it in the abstract. I am hoping we get some good stats about this as things heat up.
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I do sort of wonder how much longer the Clinton campaign is going to keep up the populist travel options. She can certainly do it all through the "primary" if she wants to, as she'll be able to set her own schedule and stick to a single state a week, if she wants. But the campaign bus and the charter jet have to come out at some point, just as it did with Mitt Romney, another person famous for always flying coach. I will say it annoys me a little that the Secret Service drives her around. I completely understand why she has a protective detail, but it seems like the campaign should be footing the bill for a driver.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:59
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Didn't Romney fly coach? What are the odds that Rubio concedes early and becomes JEB's running mate? Orlando NPR has been really pushing the history and mentor/mentee relationship the two used to share.
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A Neurotic Jew posted:I know that elections are largely determined by the state of the economy, but I do wonder about what impact Obamacare might have. Is there any precedent for the fate of a newly implemented entitlement to hinge on an upcoming election the way Obamacare does? I have to imagine that the tangible benefits of Obamacare might be difficult for people to let go of regardless of how they feel about it in the abstract. I am hoping we get some good stats about this as things heat up. Well it will only help the Democrats if they actually campaign on it instead of running away from it. It's way too easy even for a lot of people who are ON Obamacare exchange health plans and previously were uninsured to not realize that they are actually ON Obamacare and benefiting from Democratic policy.
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Apr 17, 2015 02:00
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Celador posted:Didn't Romney fly coach? He does for all his personal travel, which is how he got into an argument with SkyBlu of LMFAO flying out of Vancouver during the Winter Olympics, but during the campaign he had a private jet. You need to as a general election Presidential candidate because you're visiting 3+ states a day during the last month of the campaign and there's no practical way to schedule that on commercial airlines.
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A horrible thought just occurred to me. Is Mark Penn involved in Hillary's campaign in any capacity?
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Celador posted:Didn't Romney fly coach? And inhale aerosolized poor people excretions? No, he had a private jet which is on video pulling into a hangar full of these loving filth who are so oblivious to their loathsome idiocy that they simply start cheering when the plane arrives, with "Fanfare for the Common Man" playing. https://youtu.be/iuT15bo3iP8 Look at these goddamn animals.
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Dolash posted:I don't know if having a few kind words for a Democratic Senator ghost-written for her and a few trace mentions of income inequality in her early campaign material constitute a leftward shift. At best I'd agree that she'll try and avoid giving progressive Democrats points to attack her on during the primary for fear of discouraging left-leaning voters once she has the nomination. The Trans-Pacific Partnership, for example, is very NAFTA-esque but you probably won't see Clinton say a word on it that she doesn't have to in order to avoid drawing fire. The only policy statements she's made so far are about income inequality, so I wouldn't call it "few trace mentions"
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Joementum posted:He does for all his personal travel, which is how he got into an argument with SkyBlu of LMFAO flying out of Vancouver during the Winter Olympics, but during the campaign he had a private jet. You need to as a general election Presidential candidate because you're visiting 3+ states a day during the last month of the campaign and there's no practical way to schedule that on commercial airlines. OK that makes sense. I just remember a story a while ago where someone was sitting next to him in coach and was asking him questions and he seemed annoyed by it. May have been from his post-governor days before he ran for POTUS.
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Celador posted:OK that makes sense. I just remember a story a while ago where someone was sitting next to him in coach and was asking him questions and he seemed annoyed by it. May have been from his post-governor days before he ran for POTUS. Another possibility: Mitt Romney is very awkward, not great at small talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJJKW7ea1oc
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Joementum posted:I do sort of wonder how much longer the Clinton campaign is going to keep up the populist travel options. She can certainly do it all through the "primary" if she wants to, as she'll be able to set her own schedule and stick to a single state a week, if she wants. But the campaign bus and the charter jet have to come out at some point, just as it did with Mitt Romney, another person famous for always flying coach. There's always taking a train. But that's the unquestioned domain of Joseph Robinette "Diamond Joe" Biden, Jr. Better to mess with his wheels than his trains.
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Apr 17, 2015 02:12
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OctoberBlues posted:Here is what 5dimes has up right now I remember in 2012 between two betting sites where you could bet on the general election and 528 running some pretty accurate quantitative analysis you could arbitrage yourself into a small fortune.
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Apr 17, 2015 02:13
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Enigma89 posted:I am leaning Sanders at this point. Think Rand drank the Kool aid when it comes to bombings. You're choosing between Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist, and Rand Paul, an archetypical libertarian -- am I to understand that in a hypothetical general election between those two, you would have serious trouble choosing one?
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Nolanar posted:A horrible thought just occurred to me. Is Mark Penn involved in Hillary's campaign in any capacity? A bunch of staffers have already said they wouldn't work for Hillary again if she hired him. But we already know they're gluttons for punishment, so who knows if they would stick to that.
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Gyges posted:There's always taking a train. But that's the unquestioned domain of Joseph Robinette "Diamond Joe" Biden, Jr. Better to mess with his wheels than his trains. Actually, Hillary was the last Presidential candidate to do a train tour!  President-elect Obama traveled to the inauguration by train, but didn't use one in his campaign. 
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Apr 17, 2015 02:19
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Enigma89 posted:I am leaning Sanders at this point. Think Rand drank the Kool aid when it comes to bombings. Sanders wouldn't make a good head of state. I prefer my progressives were they can actually do stuff.
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Apr 17, 2015 02:19
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The last Presidential general election whistle-stop tour was George W. Bush in 2000.
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Celador posted:What are the odds that Rubio concedes early and becomes JEB's running mate? Orlando NPR has been really pushing the history and mentor/mentee relationship the two used to share. I think this would be unlikely given that Florida is a large state and its electors would be forbidden from casting ballots for both candidates, leading to the possibility of a Republican president with a Democratic VP (if this somehow winds up being Biden I will take it as proof of God's existence) in a close race. I guess one of them could pull a Dick Cheney.
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Joementum posted:Another possibility: Mitt Romney is very awkward, not great at small talk. Wow, I never saw that clip at the end before - "higher taxes, bankruptcies, foreclosures, we're gonna hang him with that... ah, so to speak. Metaphorically." Oops.
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Nolanar posted:A horrible thought just occurred to me. Is Mark Penn involved in Hillary's campaign in any capacity? No he's currently working his magic at Microsoft. Remember those stupid scroogled commercials? All Penn baby.
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GreyPowerVan posted:Is there ever a chance to elect a candidate who actually cares about poverty or is that just a pipe dream? Vote Green. 
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:I think this would be unlikely given that Florida is a large state and its electors would be forbidden from casting ballots for both candidates, leading to the possibility of a Republican president with a Democratic VP (if this somehow winds up being Biden I will take it as proof of God's existence) in a close race. I guess one of them could pull a Dick Cheney. If Jeb became inevitable and asked Rubio to be his running mate he would definitely pull a Dick Cheney, I don't know if Rubio owns any property outside of Florida, but in a worst case scenario I'm sure he could register as a DC resident.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:No he's currently working his magic at Microsoft. Remember those stupid scroogled commercials? All Penn baby. No. What? [googles] Oh. Stupid and forgettable. Truly the Mark Penn touch in action.
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Here's a good, in depth article from The POLITICO, giving us background on Jef Chiet. In case you're wondering who Jef Chiet is, he's the assistant general manager of the Maumee, Ohio Chipotle.
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Skwirl posted:If Jeb became inevitable and asked Rubio to be his running mate he would definitely pull a Dick Cheney, I don't know if Rubio owns any property outside of Florida, but in a worst case scenario I'm sure he could register as a DC resident. But Cheney actually represented Wyoming in the House, albeit in the 80s. He had ties to the state.What's Rubio got?
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CaptainCarrot posted:But Cheney actually represented Wyoming in the House, albeit in the 80s. He had ties to the state.What's Rubio got? The 24 people left in the U.S. that give a poo poo about Cuba.
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Apr 17, 2015 03:51
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Skwirl posted:If Jeb became inevitable and asked Rubio to be his running mate he would definitely pull a Dick Cheney, I don't know if Rubio owns any property outside of Florida, but in a worst case scenario I'm sure he could register as a DC resident. Rubio's not going to un-Florida himself for a potential VP. That would mess with his alternate plans to run for governor after Voldemort's horcrux is finally destroyed in 2018. Jeb loses nothing by legally returning to Texas or the ancestral familial seat of Connecticut.
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Joementum posted:Meanwhile, in New Hampshire... is that.... John Bolton? Bolton for President?
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My Imaginary GF posted:is that.... *Game of Thrones reference* Also, John Bolton likes torture.
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Aurubin posted:*Game of Thrones reference* Also, John Bolton likes torture. That Bastard.
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Joementum posted:I do sort of wonder how much longer the Clinton campaign is going to keep up the populist travel options. She can certainly do it all through the "primary" if she wants to, as she'll be able to set her own schedule and stick to a single state a week, if she wants. But the campaign bus and the charter jet have to come out at some point, just as it did with Mitt Romney, another person famous for always flying coach. Obama got secret service protection in May 2007 if I recall correctly. Did his campaign have to pay the secret service bills then?
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Can someone explain to me why Clinton going to a Chipotle is scandalous and breaking news? I feel like I'm out of the loop or missing something. I've read a couple news articles and all they say is what she ordered.
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