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Nessus posted:To be fair, were there genuine, serious conflicts between the TOS crew? That was probably a baseline for a lot of the fans. I'm not saying DS9 doesn't loving own, obviously. I've heard that pretty much everyone from the TOS cast hates Shatner. Takei's decision not to invite him to his wedding was not probably a decision that occurred in a vacuum.
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Pellisworth posted:I've been working through the first season of Enterprise, 14 episodes in now and it's not too bad for the most part. There are some real stinkers for sure, such as the episode which is half spent on Hoshi trying to figure out Reed's favorite food for his birthday surprise. What has to take the cake (heh), though, is the episode where they're mining a comet. I can forgive ignoring gravity for cost concerns if you're walking around on a comet for a couple scenes and don't want to bother with trying to portray a near zero-G environment, but holy lol the last bit of that episode where the shuttle falls through the ice, then falls through the ice again harder and that's the high tension point of the episode. Because a 26km diameter comet has gravity like that, OK "That's because it's uh, a class four... comet with an dense core of... poo poo, this is where we just wrote TECHTECH when I was writing Voyager scripts."
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Vagabundo posted:I've heard that pretty much everyone from the TOS cast hates Shatner. Takei's decision not to invite him to his wedding was not probably a decision that occurred in a vacuum. I assume they meant between the characters, not the actors. While there was a lot of respect, there was often conflict between Spock and McCoy, as well as every character and Kirk at various points. It didn't undermine the integrity of the characters or give the impression that they weren't a tightly knit and loyal crew. Arglebargle III posted:Also they're directly linked to the ship. All that crazy stuff Barclay was talking about when his brain was hooked up to the Enterprise computer, that would be a borg drone's everyday life. There was never a drone who they disconnected and was like "gently caress this sucks! I can't feel subspace or see x-rays or know my purpose in life anymore send me back to being the lateral tertiary sensor node for cube 3944!" Actually this happens multiple times in Voyager. Several drones (including Seven of Nine) find it extremely traumatic to suddenly not be able to hear the others and feel utterly alone. Like when your phone dies and your internet goes out times a million. So I'm going to bitch about people who bitch about the borg queen now. Virtually every criticism of the concept/execution of the Borg Queen that I have heard hinges on the premise that The Borg Queen is a literal matriarchal individual being at the head of the drone army that is The Borg. This is definitely the thematic imagery that is used in First Contact as a smart move to reach a broader audience. But there's no real evidence that it works this way. The Borg Collective is a hive mind composed of billions upon billions of minds. There is virtually no evidence that the Borg are at any risk of extinction ever. They have technology that far surpasses Starfleet's, including much faster ships and much better time travel. Their whole deal is that they learn from everything, they are the ultimate (predatory) explorers. We know that they understand the value of a figurehead when dealing with most humanoid societies: It's why they made Locutus. Locutus was only a member of the Collective for a short time, but there were clear tangible benefits. The single downside to Locutus was that his friends rescued him. When you're the Borg, that's not really a problem. Your mind is the largest computer that has ever existed. When a situation would significantly benefit from an ego-maniacal leader, they just manifest a queen. The downfall of tyrants is that their subordinates eventually cease to believe in them. There is no such problem in the collective. If the Collective determines that the a situation should be micromanaged, it does it. Of course a "Queen" talks to humans as if she's the head of the whole god damned Collective. Why wouldn't she? It's not like anyone's going to ask to talk to her boss, and she was determined to be the most effective method of achieving Borg objectives. (She wouldn't exist otherwise). Of course characters, like Picard and Data think of her as a "Real Queen". They are both projecting. Data's primal drive is to be more human, while he perceives the Borg as trying to make living beings into machines. Picard, informed by his own experience, thinks of the Borg as "anti-human". An irreconcilable evil. Which is funny, because Data, despite believing the Borg are evil for forcing people to become machines, is obligated to consider machines to be capable of living. He is compelled to think of the Borg Queen as a being. Picard thinks of the Borg Queen as a being because he loves the classical personification of things. Picatrd cares a lot about honor, duty. and symbols. Picard hates the very idea of the Borg and the Queen give him a face to put to it. When Picard gets confused how the Borg Queen survived the destruction of their cube from Wolf 359, she tells him he thinks in "Three dimensional terms". The common reading of this is that it specifically means "time travel bullshit". But if the queen isn't really some unique individual, and is simply an avatar manifested by the Collective, that sure would explain how she dies in TNG, shows up again and dies in First Contact, and then shows up and dies again in Voyager. It's just like you have to interpret what's shown in the least interesting way possible just so you can be pissed at it and hate some good Trek...
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Snak posted:So I'm going to bitch about people who bitch about the borg queen now. Virtually every criticism of the concept/execution of the Borg Queen that I have heard hinges on the premise that The Borg Queen is a literal matriarchal individual being at the head of the drone army that is The Borg. This is definitely the thematic imagery that is used in First Contact as a smart move to reach a broader audience. But there's no real evidence that it works this way. The Borg Collective is a hive mind composed of billions upon billions of minds. There is virtually no evidence that the Borg are at any risk of extinction ever. They have technology that far surpasses Starfleet's, including much faster ships and much better time travel. That's a fine way of reading it, up until Voyager literally makes her an egomaniacal queen for realsies with a civil war against her being waged inside the collective and poo poo. Once again, Voyager Ruined Everything.
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hailthefish posted:That's a fine way of reading it, up until Voyager literally makes her an egomaniacal queen for realsies with a civil war against her being waged inside the collective and poo poo. Actually I'm including Voyager's portrayals in my assessment. The Borg Queen as a strategy by the Borg is far from perfected. It's clear that the Collective has not experimented with many different personality cofigurations for their leader avatars. The probably started off with the lesson of t he Nazi planet: and egomaniacle bitch will get poo poo done of people follow their orders and they are committed to success. This obviously isn't ideal ofr every situation. But lets look at all their attmpts that we know about, and how well they are doing in general: Has any defeat our brave protagonists have dealt them really done anything to damage them? Sure in Voyager the Queen was loving FURIOUS at Janeway and Seven, but if we're looking at my interpretation at all, that's because this minor conflict with a single starfleet vessel IS HER TASK. It is her purpose, and the Collective deemed her capable of resolving this problem (it's why she exists). So it's basically the same as my argument about the Klingons: "People foolishly believe that viewer's impressions of the starfleet perspective of something somehow reflect absolute fact". edit: Obviously all of this is speculation and extrapolation. I'm not trying to say "this is obviously how it is", I just feel that a lot of arguments for "First Contact and Voyager/The Queen ruined the Borg" are also based on a lot of speculation and assertions about the implications of the Queen that I think focus on negative possibilities. edit2: Also would like to point out that rebellions in the Borg are hardly unknown. It obviously happened in "Descent"(TNG) and we saw several sub/alternate Collectives in Voyager. I think it is true that the Borg are kind of slow learners. I think they have placed a huge priority on the acquisition of knowledge and raw materials. Since they archive every bit of knowledge they encounter, they can always study it later, and for 90+% of civilizations they encounter, their methods work so well that it's hard to justify upgrading the entire system. Snak fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Apr 17, 2015 |
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ChairMaster posted:Hey ain't nobody gonna judge you in the collective, man. None of your thoughts or feelings or insecurities or fears are relevant now, cause we literally all have the same feelings about everything! We understand your exact reasoning behind everything you think and feel and we agree with what you think about everything, on account of you agree with us, cause we're all one mind! It does sound pretty fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShZWCCF0q6w
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Do people really read it that way? I never once assumed anything but "the queen is just a purpose grown drone designed to be a figurehead". I mean she has a loving metal skull for gods sake. There being more then one always seemed the whole point.
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So I actually had a theory involving the Borg and their drones yesterday and I'm curious if this makes any sense or if it's just stupid fanfictiony crap. I was thinking that maybe the difficulty in removing a Borg from the collective is less about just disconnecting them and more that the consciousness of a particular person before being assimilated exists only within the collective hub, while their old body is basically just a remote drone. The Borg mass produce these all the time to deal with tasks that simply doing it by remote won't work with. (Hence the child Borg. They're producing new drones to deal with a task) So the difficulty lies not in disconnecting them, but pulling the person's original consciousness back into their body and THEN disconnecting it. Obviously this wouldn't have worked with Hugh, since he was born into the collective. So maybe Hugh was just a single Borg trapped in the drone body before the connection was severed? Or perhaps even a small collection of consciousnesses trapped in one Drone and functioning as a single unit. Sort of like a Geth from Mass Effect? I dunno, I thought it made sense at the time.
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ChairMaster posted:That was Riker, and he offered to meet Locutus to discuss surrender. Locutus told him that no negotiations were necessary and to disarm immediately and escort them to Earth. Then he said "we need time to prepare for assimilation", and Locutus didn't fall for it because he knew everything Picard knew. Picard's only dialogue with the Borg in BoBW pt 1 is something along the lines of "Picard we know you don't got the tech to defend against us, surrender now" "No you guys we've got new defenses since the last time". Huh, now that you've brought this up, I can see that what I was saying doesn't really work, but I know I felt that way when I first watched. Maybe I just wanted Riker to explain why a delay was necessary before Locutus then said "  don't think so son, get assimilated"Anyway thanks for clearing that up for me  Also, what Snak is saying about the Queen does work, and it'd be better for sure, but I'm not sure why the Borg would suddenly feel the need for a Queen. They've lost a grand total of one cube fighting the Federation at/after Wolf 359, they lost one with the Hugh japes, and sent one with a Time Fuckery Sphere, and have only lost because of the Enterprise's luck and brilliance. There's no need for a queen even if she fulfills the role you suggest (and I do like it and will probably interpret it this way anyway) because the Collective have tried a couple of times and failed, so next time just send like five cubes and make sure the job gets done. If the Collective wasn't able to take the Federation no matter how many ships it sent that would justify a shift in strategy, but we're far from that point yet.
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Snak posted:When Picard gets confused how the Borg Queen survived the destruction of their cube from Wolf 359, she tells him he thinks in "Three dimensional terms". The common reading of this is that it specifically means "time travel bullshit". But if the queen isn't really some unique individual, and is simply an avatar manifested by the Collective, that sure would explain how she dies in TNG, shows up again and dies in First Contact, and then shows up and dies again in Voyager. Was she in TNG? I thought the first time we ever see her was in First Contact. Or was there some conversation in First Contact indicating that she was there at Wolf 359 but we just didn't see her? It's been years since I've seen any of this stuff...
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I always thought it'd be cool if the Queen was a reaction to I, Borg/Descent - that the Borg have always had the weakness of really bad network security, so Locutus can order them all to sleep and they do it because the connection between him and the hive mind is two-way. Or Hugh can get reassimiated and his individuality infects whole ships because the hive mind can't sever parts of itself if they start acting wacky; hell, the hive mind may not even be able to notice past a certain point because all those erratic drones think they're fine and the hive mind doesn't exist independantly of the drones. So you have to solve the problem by fighting fire with fire; creating a semi-autonomous 'leader' who can monitor the hive without being directly controlled by it and notice "Hey, these drones aren't working out, shut them down" or "We're assimilating an android, let's keep a close eye on him and not give him full access to the Collective until we're sure he's fully absorbed..." Granted, it doesn't work with the Queen being present with Locutus, but I'm sure someone can fanwank something there too.
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Sir Nose posted:Was she in TNG? I thought the first time we ever see her was in First Contact. Or was there some conversation in First Contact indicating that she was there at Wolf 359 but we just didn't see her? It's been years since I've seen any of this stuff... She wasn't in TNG. In First contact there are flashbacks of her with Locutus, but I always interpreted it that she wasn't physically there (because we never saw her in TNG) but was in Locutus's mind. After Locutus, the Borg said "why assimilate a figurehead, we will just manifest one".
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RaspberryCommie posted:So I actually had a theory involving the Borg and their drones yesterday and I'm curious if this makes any sense or if it's just stupid fanfictiony crap. I think the point isn't that there's a collective 'hub' as such, the consciousness of the borg is spread across every single brain that's a part of it.
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The Borg Queen might have worked better as a countermeasure to the chaos caused by reintroducing Hugh to the collective with her serving the same role for the entire collective as Lore did for Hugh's small group. It'd remove that stupid flashback of her being with Locutus but somehow never being mentioned in 4 years of TNG episodes since she wouldn't have existed as of Best of Both Worlds and it'd make more sense for an attempt to change the entire collective to have species wide implications. It could have been a decent reason to make the Borg more aggressive in combat making for better action scenes. Also, a Queen guided collective might be expanding faster so that there would be species who would still be unassimilated if not for what Picard did. This revelation (assuming you could contrive events for him to learn this), especially having a moral decision backfire so spectacularly in terms of causing harm and ultimately favouring his most hated enemy, would be far better reason for him to flip his poo poo like he does.
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CRS-6 resupply coming in at ISS  (The CRS-6 Dragon was taking, amongst everything else, an espresso machine) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Apr 17, 2015 |
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Apr 17, 2015 17:52
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Imagine what the price tag was to ship that costume to the ISS 
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Kazy posted:Imagine what the price tag was to ship that costume to the ISS That was actually my first thought when I saw that. Apparently it's about $10,000/lb on SpaceX Dragon. I don't know if the Soyuz/Progress/ATV are comparable but let's assume they are. So for a couple pounds of clothes you're talking $20 grand. And really I'd bet SpaceX comes a good bit cheaper than the government-contracted crafts, so potentially much more. But hey, cool photo op! edit: The total and the per-pound cost are not the same number. Good job, self!
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^^^ Yeah but I imagine they have some clothing allowance for crew, right? Kazy posted:Imagine what the price tag was to ship that costume to the ISS So they can tweet from the ISS, huh? Nessus fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 17, 2015 |
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Apr 17, 2015 18:05
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Likely she has a personal mass allowance and that was part of it
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This person is living the dream of nerding out in space...AND doing so in a drat uniform. (before anyone gives her crap for wearing a Voyager uniform, it could be an Enterprise jump suit so keep that in mind) Also that picture is way higher quality than I imagined   Vulcan invention spotted in corner!
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Randumb Thots posted:
Not a factor unless they're hitting 100% payload capacity on the resupply missions. You wouldn't save any money taking a few pounds off, you'd just free up capacity for a different cargo... assuming there was something else that added up to a couple pounds of fabric, that you would have sent up instead.
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Not to mention that it's just a perfectly practical purple turtleneck and a zip-up jacket. They've gotta have clothes up there, after all. The pin she's wearing in place of an emblem is the astronaut pin - you get a silver one when you qualify as an astronaut, and a gold one if you actually go into space.
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I'm pretty sure the god drat espresso machine weighs more (and is more of a luxury) than her clothes.
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Apr 17, 2015 20:25
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Everyone flies some special clothes, like a football jersey.
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mossyfisk posted:He definitely said Metamucil, the interview was used for a DVD extra. Memory-Alpha is conflicted: quote:The goo was made from Metamucil and black printers' ink. (TNG Season 1 DVD special features) According to Michael Westmore, the goo was water-soluble methocel material and the ink was water-based. (Star Trek: The Next Generation Makeup FX Journal)
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Cojawfee posted:My tribe, the rubber tree people, would use this 24th century electronic device to aid us on our vision quests then we'd plot it on our vision wheel with our spirit animals. Did I mention my tribe? The rubber tree people? We had culture. "Computer...Ayahuasca Hot" You know Tom Paris definitely messed with the replicator in Harry's quarters to produce illicit substances. The scenes of him shilling Crank with the Talaxians were cut in favor of Janeway's buddying around with Leo DaVinci and her holo-boyfriend. Tom Paris is the only character I think I liked in that show, with the exception of EMH sometimes and Tuvix always. Also found out that Robert Picardo was a non sexing cast member in a lovely skinimax flick a while back. Now I need to watch this. SkaAndScreenplays fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Apr 18, 2015 |
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SkaAndScreenplays posted:You know Tom Paris definitely messed with the replicator in Harry's quarters to produce illicit substances. The scenes of him shilling Crank with the Talaxians were cut in favor of Janeway's buddying around with Leo DaVinci and her holo-boyfriend. Tom Paris loved loving with people's replicators to subsitute hot cat piss in place of any beverage requested, i'd bet.
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Gonz posted:Tom Paris loved loving with people's replicators to subsitute hot cat piss in place of any beverage requested, i'd bet. Messed with Chakotay's can we get a  but as :spacedrugs: 
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SkaAndScreenplays posted:Messed with Chakotay's what a weird looking vape
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8one6 posted:I'm watching the episode of TNG where Barkley irrationally fears being destroyed and replaced by a soulless copy. Should have used her medical authority to take away his holodeck privileges, too.
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8one6 posted:If I was Dr. Crusher I'd have locked Barkley out of the Federation's WebMD the second day he was on the ship. "But doctor, naturalnews said the side effects of this flu shot could include me and you and all our friends de-evolving back into spiders and frogs"  "Shut the gently caress up with your conspiracy theory bullshit and roll up your sleeve, you little bitch"
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So I've been playing thread catch up and I'm sorry for this but...Nessus posted:Who did he not hate? #SpergTrek VitalSigns posted:But I did appreciate that DS9 episode that showed us Odo constantly walks around with a list of shameful TNG incidents queued up on his iPad so anytime Worf second-guesses him on security poo poo, Odo just rattles off a few humiliating USS Enterprise security breaches and rubs Worf's nose in it until he pipes down. VitalSigns posted:I did appreciate the Starfleet do's and don'ts of handling your new godlike omnipotent power PSA. We get it Gene. Wesley is the Kwisatz Haderach and a special snowflake and just like you were when you were growing up. Cojawfee posted:Aatrek was outed as a child rapist that long ago? Snak posted:The 1701-Denterprise has that same styling on its warp nacelles. Man now i want to see some fed ships with big ol' racing stripes on the saucer... SouthLAnd posted:I watched Master and Commander having not seen the movie since it first came out more than 10 years ago, and the whole time I kept thinking (besides "This is an amazing film"); This is better than the last 4 Trek movies combined. Instead we got megalomaniac in space and a crew she didn't give a poo poo about. Star Man posted:Seriously though, that's the only example of what I can think of when it comes to painted space camo for a starship. Otherwise you just make a cloaking system and then you don't give a gently caress what your starship's paint job looks like because it's loving invisible.  Snak posted:When you have facebook and reddit on a direct neural link, how long before you have a hive mind? Honestly, I think the best representation of a hivemind is the Geth from Mass Effect. You know precisely dick about them until you pal up with Legion who is just like "yeah, we're all capable of individual thought and our experiences all contribute to our worldview and we just sort of do what we want...those were the equivalent of zealots. We can't decide if brainwashing is an appropriate response to brainwashing...choose for us carbon dude/ladydude. Snak posted:Now I want to see a Trek show that's about a the crew of a reality holoshow. Twelve by Pies posted:Speaking of picking ones that sound interesting, out of nowhere the other day I watched Death Wish and really enjoyed it. Q being there helped a lot but I'm interested if anyone knows where I can find a list of "the best of Voyager" or at the very least a list of the absolute poo poo to avoid. I already know the exceptionally awful ones like Threshold and The Thaw but I'm hoping for something more comprehensive. ChairMaster posted:Hey ain't nobody gonna judge you in the collective, man. None of your thoughts or feelings or insecurities or fears are relevant now, cause we literally all have the same feelings about everything! We understand your exact reasoning behind everything you think and feel and we agree with what you think about everything, on account of you agree with us, cause we're all one mind! I like to imagine what the borg would be like if they went with the 'distributed decision making' route. Every drone has individuality and motivations below the icy surface. They look so spacey because they're having a forum on literally Every action the collective is making. Also, all of their emotions/feeling are sensed by the collective. Imagine it like one of those "Name/Pick The Flavor Contests" Everyone has the ability to pitch/not pitch ideas/solutions/actions. I also like to imagine that occasionally this results in collective level trolling/incompetence resulting in hilarious situations.  That would be a great way to undermine the collective. Figure out a way to integrate without assimilating and just gently caress up everything /b style. "EightOfFourteen" posted:Eight Of Fourteen Posted A Poll Snak posted:Actually this happens multiple times in Voyager. Several drones (including Seven of Nine) find it extremely traumatic to suddenly not be able to hear the others and feel utterly alone. Like when your phone dies and your internet goes out times a million. The idea that the Borg are mindless drones without conventional motivation doesn't fit in with the theme, and the Queen could easily be a 'built to order' viceroy/ambassador made in the likeness of the candidate species. Given their cybernetic abilities and the fact that she is just a head with a floating cyber spine means that they can just drop a new 'queen' on that body at any time. Maybe the cybernetics in that body allow for more privileges/access for the drone. When Seven was sent to Janeway she was high functioning just like the queen. When she was severed from the Collective she was talking about "The Quiet" and "Voices" if the collective is unthinking then why is it "voices" and not "voice." There's conversations going on, ideas being exchanged...IT'S SO loving COOL! Seven/Hugh were so deadpan in their expressions/delivery because they've never needed to use body language or inflection to convey emotion. The thing that makes the borg/hivemind such an awesome concept is all the poo poo you don't see because it doesn't happen in a tangible/audible space. GAH now I'm blowing my own mind thinking of the possibilities. Snak posted:Actually I'm including Voyager's portrayals in my assessment. The Borg Queen as a strategy by the Borg is far from perfected. It's clear that the Collective has not experimented with many different personality cofigurations for their leader avatars. The probably started off with the lesson of t he Nazi planet: and egomaniacle bitch will get poo poo done of people follow their orders and they are committed to success. This obviously isn't ideal ofr every situation. But lets look at all their attmpts that we know about, and how well they are doing in general: Has any defeat our brave protagonists have dealt them really done anything to damage them? Sure in Voyager the Queen was loving FURIOUS at Janeway and Seven, but if we're looking at my interpretation at all, that's because this minor conflict with a single starfleet vessel IS HER TASK. It is her purpose, and the Collective deemed her capable of resolving this problem (it's why she exists). RaspberryCommie posted:So I actually had a theory involving the Borg and their drones yesterday and I'm curious if this makes any sense or if it's just stupid fanfictiony crap. The mistake is thinking of Borg Drones as evil robots, which is the default archetype most brains put on anything with gray/silver skin and tubes sticking out of it's neck. They're cyborgs, organic individuals supplemented with digital hardware. It isn't unreasonable to assume that an individual drone is capable of independent thought and reason. Also given the actions of the Borg it is unreasonable to assume that as a collective they operate on pure logic. As a drone You aren't a slave to the hivemind...you are the hivemind. See Also: Geth GODDAMNED MASS EFFECT IS SO HIGH CONCEPT SkaAndScreenplays fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Apr 18, 2015 |
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SkaAndScreenplays posted:So was AATrek actually a child rapist or did he just support child rape perpetrated by former trek cast/TV Pastors? Spoilers because nobody wants to read this poo poo again I'm sure. Yes he was an actual child rapist. http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnews/2007/07/exbabysitter_sentenced_to_pris.html Here is mod Deadpool's excellent post about the situation- http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3572270&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=26#post420775335 And the ask/tell mods thread as the word got out - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3531156&perpage=40&pagenumber=133#pti3
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Obligatory Bob the Angry Flower comic: The Borg from the 27th Century
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Scudworth posted:Spoilers because nobody wants to read this poo poo again I'm sure. Wow...what a douchenozzle.
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Well he's still better than Neelix.
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greatn posted:Well he's still better than Neelix. Only by about 6 years or so.
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Went ahead and finished Enterprise today, watched the last five episodes in a row. So now I can finally say, I really liked it. It wasn't a great Star Trek series but it had some good episodes and some bad episodes and I feel like the good (or at least mediocre) outweighed the bad. The biggest flaw the series had was spending way too much time on the stupid "temporal cold war." I'd have to say my favorite character was Phlox by far, though Trip was pretty good, Reed had his moments, Archer was good once in a while but generally I didn't care for him, and I did like T'Pol but her actress showed way too much emotion for her being a Vulcan. This made sense in later seasons given the things that happened to her character, but it was a bit weird at the beginning of the series. Travis and Hoshi were just kind of...there. It's hard to have any strong feelings about either of them because they were just dull.
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Apr 18, 2015 21:41
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