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JerryLee posted:I can't tell you you're wrong because it's completely subjective, but I can say that my visual processing and pattern recognition centers completely disagree with yours. Especially the Leviathan fits in so well visually with the Imperial knight/titan aesthetic, it's ridiculous(ly awesome). How can someone be so wrong. 
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ijyt posted:How can someone be so wrong. But it is you, who is wrong.
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Apr 18, 2015 20:38
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Controversial opinion here: I think both the Knight and Leviathan models are pretty cool and good.
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Moola posted:no im saying youve always been able to buy D&D and play using IMAGINATION and character sheets You do so by handwaving all the rules that require miniatures.
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Razor Jacksuit posted:Controversial opinion here: Personally I like the Knight model more, though it is a matter of taste. I'm thinking of picking one up for Skitarii.
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I haven't seen the FW ones in person but I prefer the standard Knight to the FW ones AND the Leviathan ones. Again, though, I really wish its legs were poseable.
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PeterWeller posted:You do so by handwaving all the rules that require miniatures. and?
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Sulecrist posted:I haven't seen the FW ones in person but I prefer the standard Knight to the FW ones AND the Leviathan ones. Again, though, I really wish its legs were poseable. Posable legs forced me to put my Riptide on a flying stand.
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Apr 18, 2015 21:14
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I agree that I'm not a fan of the Leviathan. It's mostly because it doesn't fit the aesthetic though.
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I like the Leviathan well enough, my problem is that neither the 15mm nor the 28mm version is the right height to be a count-as Knight. 15mm one is 4.6" tall, and the 28mm is 8.5" tall. An Imperial Knight is 6", and for comparison's sake a Warhound Titan is 10.5". They're kind of stuck in an awkward in-between for both type of models you'd ideally like to use them as count-as models for--it's either too tall or too short. If you want some bargain-level count-as Knight though, there's the Mars Attack Robot which is 7" tall and goes for $40. Put some crazy-rear end looking mechanicum dude in the clear dome, model it a little low, and you're pretty much set.
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Apr 18, 2015 21:57
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Alternatively, get yourself a crab, put it on stilts and call it a day 
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I like to head down to the beach when it's crab molting season and look around for good specimens. You want the shell to be as intact as possible, of course. You'll get used to the rotting seafood smell faster than you'd think.
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I ran the numbers this morning for what it takes to bring down T8 GMC with 3+5++ and 6 wounds. This doesn't factor FNP rolls and assumes BS5:
About the only tricks I can think to make the numbers better are to ally in a Magos Malagra for monster hunter or to wound it with a rad missile to bring down the toughness. For the cost, melee is probably a better option. A lancer might work, but it could get popped on the way in and it costs more. Before, sniper filled this niche, but it doesn't work on GMCs. 
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Apr 18, 2015 22:35
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The Leviathan looks okay but doesn't fit the 40k aesthetic as well as the Knight. Tabletop games that don't use miniatures are for turbonerds.
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BULBASAUR posted:I ran the numbers this morning for what it takes to bring down T8 GMC with 3+5++ and 6 wounds. This doesn't factor FNP rolls and assumes BS5: Or don't play 30k in the 40k universe, bitch.
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SRM posted:The Leviathan looks okay but doesn't fit the 40k aesthetic as well as the Knight. I spent Wednesday night playing DnD.. well, drinking beer and making knob gags while rolling a D20 every so often. Everyone was laughing most of the time, and all had a good evening. What we didn't do - spend 100+ hours painting jewel like objects of wonder in preparation, and sweep half of them off the table on turn 1. It's a different game, but social DnD is Fun.
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Stanyer89 posted:Or don't play 30k in the 40k universe, bitch. brb starting my new eldar army
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BULBASAUR posted:brb starting my new eldar army Me too! I know there is some fluff where the eldar dig Mephiston out of a pile of rubble, fluffy as gently caress!
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Razor Jacksuit posted:Controversial opinion here: I think they're both pretty boring as far as big mecha designs go.
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PeterWeller posted:You do so by handwaving all the rules that require miniatures. Sorry to everyone else, since this is massively off topic, but 4th ed dnd was the most miniature focused version put out by WotC and even then it never said it required miniatures in the rule books, it just kind of assumed you were using them. 3rd, 3.5 and the new 5th ed have 0 rules regarding miniatures. ed: SRM posted:Tabletop games that don't use miniatures are for turbonerds. Can confirm, is true. ZachAttack fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Apr 18, 2015 |
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SRM posted:Tabletop games that don't use miniatures are for turbonerds. 
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LoL at 'hams calling anyone else a word related to nerd as an insult.
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ZachAttack posted:Sorry to everyone else, since this is massively off topic, but 4th ed dnd was the most miniature focused version put out by WotC and even then it never said it required miniatures in the rule books, it just kind of assumed you were using them. 3rd, 3.5 and the new 5th ed have 0 rules regarding miniatures. Requiring miniatures is a bit of a stretch. It requires some sort of marker. A lot of the derivative systems get rid of grid-based gameplay entirely (13A, for example.)
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Playing a game where the miniature can be a piece of change or a gummi bear and have nobody dispute that it's a valid representation of a character is very different than a game that requires miniatures.
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osirisisdead posted:LoL at 'hams calling anyone else a word related to nerd as an insult. lookit this loving nerd
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Stanyer89 posted:Me too! I know there is some fluff where the eldar dig Mephiston out of a pile of rubble, fluffy as gently caress! How many WKs are you going to run? I'm thinking 3, but I might proxy in a 4th (Perturabo couts as WK, whenever the model comes out, lol)
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I made a video review on the latest Eldar codex its a little baised but I think I covered most of the points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPAPmtTi8lc
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c'tan have strength d, no?
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Moola posted:I made a video review on the latest Eldar codex Moola, you are the Dark Gods' gift to these threads.
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BULBASAUR posted:I ran the numbers this morning for what it takes to bring down T8 GMC with 3+5++ and 6 wounds. This doesn't factor FNP rolls and assumes BS5: Is it possible to tarpit these things? I'm struggling to think of a solution.
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Moola posted:and? It's kind of a crap game too if you're houseruling it out of the box. ZachAttack posted:Sorry to everyone else, since this is massively off topic, but 4th ed dnd was the most miniature focused version put out by WotC and even then it never said it required miniatures in the rule books, it just kind of assumed you were using them. 3rd, 3.5 and the new 5th ed have 0 rules regarding miniatures. This is a shameful pack of lies.
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PeterWeller posted:It's kind of a crap game too if you're houseruling it out of the box. better than 40k m8
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Moola posted:I made a video review on the latest Eldar codex Majestic.
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Sulecrist posted:Is it possible to tarpit these things? I'm struggling to think of a solution. GCs can Stomp 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:c'tan have strength d, no? C'tan Shards have a 17% chance to have a Strength D shot each turn. This is determined after they choose their target.
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u ready for the D????Sulecrist posted:Is it possible to tarpit these things? I'm struggling to think of a solution. Most primarchs won't have a problem, but its comical to think you'll use one against a 300 point generic eldar robot. As a speedbump breachers would work ok, just as they do against knights- defensive grenades, 5++, re-roll saves against templates, and everyone has melta bombs. Melee Instant death weapons are probably the best way to go, since they cause D3 wounds to GMCs. A Malagra Magos Prime with Paragon Blades and combat augment array is probably the only guaranteed way to take it down in melee. A Praetor with a similar setup might work ok. The main problem is that you'll never catch it.
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is it gay if the D weapons touch?
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quote:The only way to get a message through to the big GW that this is completely unacceptable way to make a codex is to throw up a gak storm. The biggest way to do that? Well show them we won't even play with them. I know I intend to. Many of my players in my local FLGS intend to. Though I need to convince them to ban them from tournaments all together. The more the Eldar players complain and bitch about us complaining and bitching about their so obviously broken and favoritism codex the faster we can wrap this up. It's going to get messy before the end though. These half measures and trying to be "reasonable" with GW and even a certain subset of Eldar players is clearly not working. So it's time to kick things up a notch. Oh brother...
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