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Crossover SUV. they have the SRX in that segment, but it's not fair to say it's competing.
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Powershift posted:Crossover SUV. they have the SRX in that segment, but it's not fair to say it's competing. SRX is Cadillacs best seller though so I'd say it's competing enough for them to be happy with it.
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Wheeee posted:Cadillac didn't create the Escalade's brand cachet, rappers did. Actually, Cadillac would be where Lincoln is right now - stuck in the sorta-premium-but-not-really doldrums with Chrysler, full of rebadged product that's a rung below what you'd get from Acura and Infiniti. It's Buick that woulda been Pontiac'ed if it wasn't for GM wanting to cash in on Chinese nostalgia. Throatwarbler posted:In the US, the market for lux minivans is somewhat hampered because you can get a Dodge Caravan for $19k and enough people had them growing up that they don't associate them with luxury, but apparently sitting on top of the frame rails with your knees pressed against your chest is "luxury" to most people so Escalade/Yukon sales never slow down. Most people don't equate vehicles designed to haul crying, bratty little poo poo machines with luxury. They just don't see a vehicle they envision with sour milk smells, crayon marks and various kid-derived stains as a potential luxury vehicle. Luxury SUVs and CUVs, on the other hand, carry a more sophisticated image.
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Wheeee posted:Cadillac didn't create the Escalade's brand cachet, rappers did. Like most things popularized by celebrities, those rappers were probably given free Escalades by GM and paid to be seen driving them.
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More info about that Honda I posted about a few days ago:quote:Honda S660 Type R and S1000 reportedly approved for production MUGEN version of the S660 below. A Type R with 100hp is coming, but all this is Japan only...    More interestingly, the rumored 125+hp version is the S1000 and an international model apparently. quote:1.0-liter turbocharged VTEC gasoline engine developing more than 127 bhp (95 kW)[...], six-speed manual gearbox[...],believed to be 200mm wider and 150mm longer than the standard car and it should also benefit from wider tires and a hard roof featuring a bespoke "snorkel-type" air intake.
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Apr 19, 2015 09:27
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It's amazing how long it took for Honda to figure out how to make a good car.
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If Cadillac is trying to compete with Mercedes they certainly have them matched on first year depreciation with the ELR.
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atomicthumbs posted:It's amazing how long it took for Honda to figure out how to make a good car. They've been doing it for decades though?
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PCOS Bill posted:They've been doing it for decades though? There has been a bit of a dead period for the last couple years
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Apr 19, 2015 15:57
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Honda never stopped making great cars. They just haven't been making sports cars.
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Dislike button posted:If Cadillac is trying to compete with Mercedes they certainly have them matched on first year depreciation with the ELR.  I've driven one, and I'd seriously consider trading the Volt in on one if it were ~$40-45k. How they can justify even attempting to ask more than $82k for what is essentially a badge-engineered, electric Chevy Cruze is beyond me. GeneralMotors.txt, basically.
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Spatule posted:More info about that Honda I posted about a few days ago: The 127bhp model sounds like it'd be fun...
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drgitlin posted:Sean10mm they're targeting. 1700 kg for the twin turbo, and yes the chassis is really cool; a mix of aluminum extrusions, cast aluminum, and stamped steel. Of course, that means body repairs are going to be limited to a smaller number of approved body shops if it needs it. cool stuff: 
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Powershift posted:And tesla is eating their lunch in that department. Not to mention beaten Cadillac to the punch with the highway autopilot thing. Hopefully Cadillac won't be too far behind - it won't be long before their primary customer base starts losing the ability to drive manually.
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MrYenko posted:
Honestly, the Tesla P85D is the electric car Cadillac should be selling, not a two-door Volt coupe.
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:Honestly, the Tesla P85D is the electric car Cadillac should be selling, not a two-door Volt coupe.
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"We're losing money on every Volt we sell, how do we make money off this thing? I know let's make a stylish Cadillac coupé out of it and make our money back on that!" With not a thought given to how people would react to a $75k+ two-door Cimarron hybrid. The whole thing is 'Old GM' as gently caress.
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MrYenko posted:
From one page ago ilkhan posted:If I were in charge of GM you'd have each non-chevy brand be nothing but engine choice, interior parts binning, and tuning from a Chevy model. GM can't win.
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Well they could, but it would take effort. Not something in their repertoire.
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blugu64 posted:GM can't win. Sure they can, it would just take a commitment to bringing a truly great product to market, instead of just raiding the parts bin again. They've proven that when they put their minds to it, they can make really great cars. Also: Tubesock Holocaust posted:Honestly, the Tesla P85D is the electric car Cadillac should be selling, not a two-door Volt coupe. This is exactly true.
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blugu64 posted:From one page ago Making lots of parts bin cars is what CAUSED Cadillac's problems; it's not the solution to them. The Escalade is the lone exception to a long string of badge-engineered turds that eroded Cadillac's credibility. 1960s Cadillacs had good quality for their era and mostly unique hardware. Only Cadillacs had Cadillac engines for instance; you didn't find a 472 or 500 in a loving Nova. Then in the 70s they did a 180 and started rebodying stretched Chevy Nova platforms and sticking Cadillac badges on them and boosted short-term sales in exchange for gradually killing off any trace of the brand's credibility. e: It's hard to overstate how dominant Cadillac was in the American luxury market. Success pretty much literally meant a Cadillac, and anything else was a novelty. Cadillac owners main complaint was that prices weren't HIGHER to keep them an infinite distance away from pleb scum. making GBS threads all that away was hard work; in fact, they probably poo poo away more brand loyalty than any American car maker, which is saying A LOT. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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All the news I read about the S660/R/1000 just makes me despair that it's never coming to the states. I'd buy one and drive it forever and love it and pat it on the head.
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Network42 posted:All the news I read about the S660/R/1000 just makes me despair that it's never coming to the states. I'd buy one and drive it forever and love it and pat it on the head. Just try not to kill this one, okay? 
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Giblet Plus! posted:cool stuff: No poo poo. That is cool as hell. I imagine that thing will be fore real. That's a lot of money in castings if you're not going anywhere with it. EDIT: I'm dumb, it's going into production late this year. Still seriously cool and I'm sad I haven't heard of it till now. I mean something nearly the size of a 7 series but weighs less than a 5, plus the option of a V6tt? That will be cool as hell. Sadi fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Apparently someone at Cadillac is reading this thread because they just announced a plug-in hybrid version of the CT6.
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I think GM's parts bin problem is that they didn't design the expensive high trim stuff first and then let it trickle down but instead went the other way and tried to badge engineer a fatter margin.
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Mazda announced pricing for the new Miata. $25K for the lowest-end model, and $31K for the "launch version".
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sean10mm posted:Making lots of parts bin cars is what CAUSED Cadillac's problems; it's not the solution to them. The Escalade is the lone exception to a long string of badge-engineered turds that eroded Cadillac's credibility. Don't forget that there were trade restrictions in place that prevented imports (or made them prohibitively expensive) back then.
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drgitlin posted:Don't forget that there were trade restrictions in place that prevented imports (or made them prohibitively expensive) back then. Foreign cars back then were mostly garbage. Being bombed into the stone age tends to do that.
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Mange Mite posted:Foreign cars back then were mostly garbage. Being bombed into the stone age tends to do that. The foreign cars rose up because of getting bombed back into the stoneage. Pretty much all of my Japanese colleagues have pictures of their grandparents standing in front of Chevys and Fords, that were lost when all the metro areas turned into firestorms. Gave a good chance for the domestic market to take off there and turned into worldwide exports.
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Mange Mite posted:Foreign cars back then were mostly garbage. Being bombed into the stone age tends to do that. In the 1960s the grosserbenz was still better than anything Cadillac built.
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So I think VW's been unclear til now on whether or not we're getting the Golf Alltrack. Latest word is we are getting it, eventually, as a 2016 model. They barely lifted it enough for the gray plastic to fit and the wheels and tires are very much pavement oriented but I still wouldn't mind having one. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-vw-golf-sportwagen-alltrack-first-drive-review
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Friar Zucchini posted:Alltrack Literally one letter off of the name of Toyota's old AWD package. Way to be original, VW 
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Merc's 4matic was the worst though. My brain immediately labels it as '4-speed automatic' every time.
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Terrible Robot posted:Literally one letter off of the name of Toyota's old AWD package. Way to be original, VW It makes even less sense when you consider that VW already has perfectly good monikers in the form of Syncro or Crossgolf(Polo).
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Friar Zucchini posted:So I think VW's been unclear til now on whether or not we're getting the Golf Alltrack. Latest word is we are getting it, eventually, as a 2016 model. They barely lifted it enough for the gray plastic to fit and the wheels and tires are very much pavement oriented but I still wouldn't mind having one. Just when you thought body cladding was maaaaaaybe over and done with, BOOM, VW lays a golden log. Give us a Golf Sportwagen R, you imbeciles. Not this wannabe Outback.
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CornHolio posted:Merc's 4matic was the worst though. My brain immediately labels it as '4-speed automatic' every time. Same.
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