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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

NationBuilder is like $20/month, couldn't anyone buy a license?

[EDIT: Well apparently some Young Labor person has admitted to making it anyway.]

open24hours fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Apr 20, 2015

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Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Negligent posted:

No because I didn't come here illegally by boat

Didn't you promise not to post here any more? Or was that some other idiot?

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

open24hours posted:

NationBuilder is like $20/month, couldn't anyone buy a license?

Young labor, at least in QLD had to ask permission for nationbuilder websites. Permission was never granted unless it was for candidates or MPs.

Any attempt to start some web 2.0 social media meme crap was usually denied within the same day.

Of course anyone can buy a license but I pray to god that no Uni Student is smug enough to pay money per month to maintain a meme. Therefore someone higher up approved of it.

I hope.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Oh so yeah. An actual guy in the non-youth branch approved of this. Cool.

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

The real question is how did YOU do it??? It gives me an error errytime

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Why are youth-branches of political parties a thing again?

Murodese
Mar 6, 2007

Think you've got what it takes?
We're looking for fine Men & Women to help Protect the Australian Way of Life.

Become part of the Legend. Defence Jobs.

thatfatkid posted:

Why are youth-branches of political parties a thing again?

It makes for a convenient place to put people that should never be allowed near real power

Gentleman Baller
Oct 13, 2013

Murodese posted:

It makes for a convenient place to put people that should never be allowed near real power

Also, completely unrelated, it is a nice place from which we draw people to give real power to.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

Indoctrination.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

You get them to do your dirty work while they're still young enough to avoid an adult conviction. They lost their usefulness in this country a long, long time ago.

Smudgie Buggler
Feb 27, 2005

SET PHASERS TO "GRINDING TEDIUM"

Anidav posted:

Young Labor does not have access to Nation Builder only Candidate or MP offices can do it. Someone approved it.

I cringe a little whenever you try to explain something about how Young Labor works. It's not that you're ever that wrong, but you really should stop trying to explain more than you actually understand.

Greens Taking Credit for Things came out of NSW Young Centre Unity (NSW Young Right), which is a colossal operation compared to QYL. Nobody from the senior party needed to approve anything.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



An idiot very serious, adult, person with very serious, adult, ideas in australia points to europe and cries, "but italy!" Meanwhile, assholes equally serious, adult, people in italy point at us and cry, "but australia!"

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hiddenmovement posted:

The real question is how did YOU do it??? It gives me an error errytime

Screenshot the template and paste a pic over it in paint.
I am not good with computers.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Who knew that NSW Labor had so much more power than other state branches.

I know what I know from QLD but if a NSW ALP group can just volley a meme website without taking it for approval then that is just good for them.

Smudgie Buggler
Feb 27, 2005

SET PHASERS TO "GRINDING TEDIUM"

Anidav posted:

I know what I know from QLD but if a NSW ALP group can just volley a meme website without taking it for approval then that is just good for them.

This is what I'm talking about, though. What do you think would happen if someone from QYL decided to do this of their own accord? You think they'd be getting irate phone calls from Evan Moorhead threatening to revoke their membership and swearing they'd never get a job through the party? Nobody would give half a gently caress. In fact, the initiative would probably be applauded.

Unless you're using party branding or purporting to represent the party, you don't need approval to do jack poo poo.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

NSW Labor is responsible for many things. Mainly the terribleness of the Labor Party.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



In actual news

Julie Bishop won't say if intelligence-sharing with Iran puts Australian fighters at risk

http://gu.com/p/47k35

quote:

Sith Master Julie Bishop has declined to say whether Australia’s new intelligence-sharing agreement with Iran will increase the risk of harm for Australian citizens fighting for Islamic State (Isis) in Iraq.

The foreign affairs minister dead-batted a question posed by the ABC about whether activating Iranian intelligence could lead to Shia militias capturing or killing Australian citizens.

“I’m not going to go into those kind of details. I mean that’s obviously a matter of deep intelligence operational issues,” Bishop said on Monday.

Australia and Iran have agreed to share intelligence on Australians fighting with extremist groups in Iraq. Bishop has been in Tehran for the first high-level talks between the countries in more than a decade.

She has described the new arrangement as “informal”. She said it benefited Australia because Iranian forces had a strong presence on the ground, and maintained “a very sophisticated intelligence network, and there’s a lot of information they have been gathering”.

Wilkie otoh thinks it's a bad idea.

quote:

Independent MP Andrew Wilkie has accused the Federal Government of "dancing with the devil" by entering into an intelligence sharing agreement with Iran.

Foreign Minister, Julie Bishop announced Iran had agreed to trade information on Australian citizens fighting in Iraq, as part of efforts to counter the Islamic State militia.

Ms Bishop was visiting Iran to speak directly with government officials and maintains the country has solid information to offer.

"They are in Iraq in places that we are not, they also have a very sophisticated intelligence network so there's a lot of information that they've been gathering," Ms Bishop said.

But Mr Wilkie, himself a former intelligence analyst, said Iran was the last nation Australia should be swapping sensitive information with.

"The announcement by the Foreign Minister that Australia is entering into a security arrangement with the regime in Tehran really should send shudders down the spine of every Australian," he told reporters in Canberra.

"Frankly, it might be good political theatre for the Government but it's complete and utter madness from a security point of view."


He said Australia risked being used as a pawn and the information could not be trusted.

"When you start dancing with the devil in a place like Tehran, then we run the risk of becoming almost as bad as those who we dance with," he said.

"They are also experts at disinformation and we've seen this time and time again, when the regime in Iran will tell people whatever they want us to believe."

Mr Wilkie said he was the only serving member of Parliament who had worked in Australia's intelligence services and therefore had a unique insight.

"I saw first-hand some of the, and excuse the expression, the crap that was coming out of Iran, which was worse than useless because it was downright misleading," he said.

He maintained Australia should not accept intelligence that comes from torture.


Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Labor was seeking further details about the deal and would take a steady and considered approach.

"I'm not naive," Mr Shorten said.

"Iran's a very sophisticated country with a different view of the world to Australia and so we need to keep our eyes open whenever we deal with them."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-20/independent-mp-andrew-wilkie-speaks-at-the/6406784
Idk seems like a cool idea to me. Iran probably has a bunch of intel on how Iranian refugees are bad people we shouldn't let in.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Apr 20, 2015

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE
Serious question: How does Labor right differ from the Liberal party? Aside from "we're from the unions" they're basically shilling for the same stuff.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
I guess QYL was a smaller operation therefore it was easier to check what the youth branches were doing. Any ideas spitballed by a faction usually needed to be passed up or brought up at a faction meeting. That includes using the ALPs nationbuilder resources for website building.

I have mates who tried getting NDIS and NBN websites up in 2013 and 2014 but it was all shut down. So either the QYL system is poo poo or you need to be in NSW to get anything done.

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎
why not both?

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Probably both.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Gough Suppressant posted:

So some "industry expert" has ruffled feathers by suggesting that $1m is not enough super to retire comfortably. I was listening to ABC Melbournes talkback on the subject this morning, and apparently there is a very substantial portion of the population who believe you should be able to live off the interest your super generates without ever touching the capital. This loving country.

I work payroll and have had on multiple occasions retirees receive 6 figure payouts and then proceed to dump every last cent into a mortgage on an investment property. They then call up on the verge of tears to abuse me about the fact that Centrelink wont give them any payments as I had the gall to report their total severance amount and refuse to help them commit welfare fraud.

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
Wow, the only thing as bad as this thread is Austr-- ... oh my god :aaa:

Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008
What the gently caress is nation builder

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Gough Suppressant posted:

What the gently caress is nation builder

The lovely web design kit the ALP uses.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
Why spend time formulating and enunciating a social democratic platform that people will vote for when you can make lovely websites to play petty games of no consequence while wondering why we keep losing seats to the Greens

:suicide:

Pickled Tink
Apr 28, 2012

Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.



Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.
Fun Shoe

Birdstrike posted:

Why spend time formulating and enunciating a social democratic platform that people will vote for when you can make lovely websites to play petty games of no consequence while wondering why we keep losing seats to the Greens

:suicide:
Why spend time asking about why the ALP acts like the ALP when you can read First Dog?

DNQ
Sep 7, 2004

Let me hear you balalaika's ringing out, come and keep your comrade warm!
So who else is already sick of ANZAC day and all the flag waving, jingoism, chest thumping and race hate that comes with it?

It's become worse by the year. What used to be a sombre, respectful day to mark the loss of lives now seems to be an excuse to sell things, play football and go around yelling about how ARE ANZACS DIDNT DIE SO MUSLIMS COULD INTRODUCE SHARIA LAW !!!!1111

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

DNQ posted:

So who else is already sick of ANZAC day and all the flag waving, jingoism, chest thumping and race hate that comes with it?

It's become worse by the year. What used to be a sombre, respectful day to mark the loss of lives now seems to be an excuse to sell things, play football and go around yelling about how ARE ANZACS DIDNT DIE SO MUSLIMS COULD INTRODUCE SHARIA LAW !!!!1111

Nah I fucken love it mate maybe you should gently caress off back to afghaniraqistan you tree hugging non-hetero

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
I asked them and every single ANZAC literally died for $9.98 whole roast chicken and $1/L milk and to keep all non-whites out of the motherland so I don't know what you're even loving talking about

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
At this point I'm tempted to say gently caress it and join in the enthusiastic running of Anzac Day into the ground tbh

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
If you don't get a sleeping bag hand beezy at Camp Gallipoli you are un-Australian.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Birdstrike posted:

At this point I'm tempted to say gently caress it and join in the enthusiastic running of Anzac Day into the ground tbh

At least they seem to be having more fun.

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."
The funny thing is ANZAC day was slipping out of the public consciousness, much the way Rememberance day has, until we started commodifying the gently caress out of it in the 1990s (The AFL / Howard being the big drivers, IIRC). Is it better that a day of memorial has become an nationalistic capitalist vessel than to have it drift into cultural irrelevance?

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip
Either way we forgot.

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

hiddenmovement posted:

The funny thing is ANZAC day was slipping out of the public consciousness, much the way Rememberance day has, until we started commodifying the gently caress out of it in the 1990s (The AFL / Howard being the big drivers, IIRC). Is it better that a day of memorial has become an nationalistic capitalist vessel than to have it drift into cultural irrelevance?

I don't know, are those our only two options?

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

I don't know, are those our only two options?

Was there another way to resusitate public interest? Track your mind back to 1995, and keep in mind that you need convince a bunch of sport obsessed, gambling, drunken, racist, hugely consumeristic aspirational types to show reverance to a bunch of people who are almost all dead and don't benefit them at all. Also the economy kinda stinks.

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hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."
I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but the choices were basically death or ghoulish corruption.

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