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darth cookie posted:I poo poo post here a fair bit, but I'm reasonably certain I haven't posted that before. Not that I'm going to check. It could just be due to the amount of drugs I take to find a higher sense of self to escape the wallowing self pity I have, but let's go with the machines since it sounds better when said out loud.
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EponymousMrYar posted:I'm curious if it's possible to cargo scan ships while in cloak and if it could be done fast enough while warping to 0. Was liquidating my secondary main's assets to hop into goons and got blapped on the Perimeter gate in Jita by a tornado that nigh-instalocked me. But they didn't steal any of my crazy valuable double-wrapped stuff. Just a bomber and what fittings dropped from my transport. you aren't being scanned on that gate, it is 1-2 jumps earlier when you align out. have you ever wondered why there is an afk noob ship 20k away from a random gate????
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That's the weird thing. There were no yellow boxes. None at all. That was the first time I had been targeted on that run.
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EponymousMrYar posted:That's the weird thing. There were no yellow boxes. None at all. It's called passive targeting
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EponymousMrYar posted:That's the weird thing. There were no yellow boxes. None at all. That was the first time I had been targeted on that run. RattiRatto posted:It's called passive targeting They get 10 seconds to scan and unlock before you get the yellow box if they use a passive targeter if that wasn't clear
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Ahhh! I see. Now I know what to watch out for even more. That still doesn't explain why they traded ~60 mil of ship for ~20 mil of loot off of me though 
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EponymousMrYar posted:Ahhh! I see. Now I know what to watch out for even more. Because double wrap = "shoot me" and because they could. Dunno why they didn't take the wraps unless they didn't have space to loot it for whatever reason
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because killing stuff is fun. Not everything is done after a cost/benefit analysis.
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darth cookie posted:because killing stuff is fun. Not everything is done after a cost/benefit analysis. Yeah, all EVE players should have that type of mindset. Fun/HR not ISK/HR
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ullerrm posted:Disregard work, go Awesome post, thought I recognised the username. It's been nearly 7 years since I was in sovnull and I haven't got a clue how it works any more. Last time I was there it was in BRUCE and we got stomped by PL. I'm taking it easy in EVE Uni now, can't remember how to do anything at all. Saying that we got a good fight from goons the other day.
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on Reddit about how Grayscale can be blamed for rental empires.
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Posting for morsanima: Looks like HK had a good night in Deklein. Two ratting carriers, one with a loving legion in the SMA. Also some weird MAS sentry abortion. https://zkillboard.com/kill/46126204/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/46126347/
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Kiryen posted:This is really what "stay classy" is all about. It's maybe like the people who came up with "Stay Classy" also thought that fedoras were classy.
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Wolfy posted:Posting for morsanima: I saw the ping for those while frantically re-writing chunks of my dissertation. My activity this month has been totally poo poo. 
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gwrtheyrn posted:They get 10 seconds to scan and unlock before you get the yellow box if they use a passive targeter if that wasn't clear That's how they work? I thought so long as you lock using the passive targeter they would never get a yellow box.
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BNI updated the downvote animations on their subreddit
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Wolfy posted:Posting for morsanima: MAS still recruit renters.  Not his best day according to his killboard.
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Wolfy posted:Posting for morsanima: Cthulhu Templar, one hour later. https://zkillboard.com/kill/46126964/ Stepping up his game since joining GSF, it used to be only one carrier a month. January: https://zkillboard.com/kill/44256221/ February: https://zkillboard.com/kill/44474223/ March: https://zkillboard.com/kill/46126347/
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EponymousMrYar posted:That's the weird thing. There were no yellow boxes. None at all. That was the first time I had been targeted on that run. RattiRatto posted:It's called passive targeting gwrtheyrn posted:They get 10 seconds to scan and unlock before you get the yellow box if they use a passive targeter if that wasn't clear Sub Rosa posted:That's how they work? I thought so long as you lock using the passive targeter they would never get a yellow box. No, that's not how they work. For my own sanity, I just tested it.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:No, that's not how they work. For my own sanity, I just tested it. You probably ctrl-clicked on the target. With passive targeters, you have to click with no modifier keys pressed to get it to work.
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So did Pl get hacked or was it all bull poo poo?
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Glory of Arioch posted:You probably ctrl-clicked on the target. With passive targeters, you have to click with no modifier keys pressed to get it to work. gwrtheyrn posted:Because double wrap = "shoot me" and because they could. Dunno why they didn't take the wraps unless they didn't have space to loot it for whatever reason ... In other news I found the GClub alliance update pasted up on TMC to be kinda intriguing. Their plan for fozziesov is to move from renters to full co-habitation with dues paying carebear corps. That feels like it could be a successful model. Giant multi-region renter empires are kaput after fozziesov, but a revival of smaller scale feudalism could be interesting.
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Holyshoot posted:So did Pl get hacked or was it all bull poo poo? No logs yet, so I'm guessing if they did it was by someone who doesn't have the common sense to share.
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Wolfy posted:Posting for morsanima: At least the Widot dude had a cyno and a tank refit  I'm impressed you could kill that with 12 dudes including tackle. How mean was that anom?
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Glory of Arioch posted:You probably ctrl-clicked on the target. With passive targeters, you have to click with no modifier keys pressed to get it to work. I think they meant there is no ten second limit
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Voyager I posted:At least the Widot dude had a cyno and a tank refit
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Glory of Arioch posted:You probably ctrl-clicked on the target. With passive targeters, you have to click with no modifier keys pressed to get it to work. I should've been more explicit, as you misunderstood me, but for the benefit of everyone in the thread.... Passive targeters allow you to target a PC (or NPC!) without them realizing it. In order to use a passive targeter, you must have nothing targeted. To use the passive targeter, you prefire it and click on the ship of your choice, which enforces the requirement that you have nothing targeted (i.e., you cannot prefire when you have something targeted). You begin locking and the module cycles at (roughly) the same time. The lock time is determined by your scan resolution. The target will not know they are being targeted; the lock will prevent ships from performing actions that are prevented by being locked (cloaking, anything else?). You may prefire other modules with the passive targeter, it makes no difference. Some modules may alert the target to the fact that they are having modules activated on them (i.e., a cargo scan sends out a beam to the target, scram displays an icon and some text on screen). While the passive targeter is cycling, you may not target another ship. Once it is finished cycling, you may unlock your target, and you may passively target another ship. For this reason, there is no reason to use T2 passive targeter, as they have a 10s cycle time, while all of the meta-modules have shorter cycle times. I am not familiar with any other differences between meta and T2 passive targeters. There is a rare bug in which if you unlock a target and prefire the passive targeter in the same tick, before the target is unlocked, the passive targeter will relock your old target, passively. Passive targeters do not provide a window of anonymity. They will keep the target passively locked for as long as you are within locking range. Edit: Also, yeah, I gets down with the homies 
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I'm going to guess the 10 second time limit was before the target warps off, since this whole thing was in context of gate scanning gank targets. Also, that module should really disable the scanning effect from scanners. It's sort of pointless to hide the yellow box but have a giant pulsing blue line pointing towards your ship.
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ApocalypseMeow posted:BNI updated the downvote animations on their subreddit I for one appreciate the attention
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CainFortea posted:I'm going to guess the 10 second time limit was before the target warps off, since this whole thing was in context of gate scanning gank targets. This is a good point and one of the reasons I stopped using sensor boosters on a lot of scanners. Instead, I fit a warp disruptor  Sixx Spades posted:You can't safe log with a lock on you, so that's another plus. You can feel the panic through the internet when the freighter hits "Log Off Safely" and it doesn't work.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:For this reason, there is no reason to use T2 passive targeter, as they have a 10s cycle time, while all of the meta-modules have shorter cycle times. CainFortea posted:I'm going to guess the 10 second time limit was before the target warps off, since this whole thing was in context of gate scanning gank targets. The cycle time on passive targeters is the max time spent locking, and if you take longer to lock than the cycle they don't work and the target sees a yellowbox as normal. So the T2 is moderately pointless unless your passive scan ship is something with really bad sensor resolution. Could be the case if someone was using their loot-scooping industrial to scan as well.
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Did you guys know that Brave is better than KarmaFleet and Padded Helmets? Er I'm sorry, Pandemic Horde? It is according to Seraph anyways: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/33cim2/why_brave_karma_and_horde/ Apparently, the fact that they 'stay classy' makes them better in some way. That and the fact that their leadership are more 'ethical'. Someone, please tell me which drugs he is on. I want some. I never had hallucinations before, and whatever he's taking would most likely do the trick.
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Dalael posted:Did you guys know that Brave is better than KarmaFleet and Padded Helmets? Er I'm sorry, Pandemic Horde? It is according to Seraph anyways: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/33cim2/why_brave_karma_and_horde/ ...and that children, is when everyone went from pitying brave to hating them
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Genuine, authentic, ethical and classy. Those words wouldnt appear anywhere in a Brave Newbies word cloud from the last year.
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Dalael posted:Did you guys know that Brave is better than KarmaFleet and Padded Helmets? Er I'm sorry, Pandemic Horde? It is according to Seraph anyways: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/33cim2/why_brave_karma_and_horde/ It's a shame he didn't accept that contract against holesquad. We would finally see who is the premier WH mercenary group then.
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Dalael posted:Did you guys know that Brave is better than KarmaFleet and Padded Helmets? Er I'm sorry, Pandemic Horde? It is according to Seraph anyways: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/33cim2/why_brave_karma_and_horde/ Lol of course it's Seraph Basarab. Dude is the definition of QQ butthurt. Anyone with half a brain has already fled Brave for Karmafleet or PH because it's pretty obvious that the
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Klyith posted:The cycle time on passive targeters is the max time spent locking, and if you take longer to lock than the cycle they don't work and the target sees a yellowbox as normal. So the T2 is moderately pointless unless your passive scan ship is something with really bad sensor resolution. Could be the case if someone was using their loot-scooping industrial to scan as well. Not that I didn't believe you from the outset, or that I don't trust the goonpinions presented in this thread, but this is also erroneous. I tested by undocking 1 character in a heron, another character in a machariel. The machariel pilot used a passive targeter to lock the heron with a lock time of about ~27s. The lock completed without any indication on the heron character that it was being locked. Needless to say, I'm quite relieved that they don't work the way you described, as that might preclude bumping ships from fitting cloaks. Also, the T2 targeters is super pointless. I looked at the comparison chart: Meta0-Meta 4 targeters each consume 5GJ cap. They each require 20-MetaLevel (20 for M0, 19 for M1 ...) CPU. The cycle time on the Meta-0 through Meta-4 is 5.00s. The T2 targeter is 25 CPU, 7 GJ of cap and 10s cycle time.
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CainFortea posted:I'm going to guess the 10 second time limit was before the target warps off, since this whole thing was in context of gate scanning gank targets. People are too dumb to notice, recognize, or do anything about the beam or sound (is there a sound? People say there is a ping, but idk) associated with the ship scanner, unless they are also smart and on the ball enough to actually do something to prevent ganking in the first place. The only reaction, either via chat or altered behavior, has come from people with solid tank at least and usually cargo below normal ganking thresholds. I even forget to passive target sometimes and people dont usually get a clue. One time I was ganking in Juuni, competing with some other shitstain. I saw a 800m iteron coming through, jumped my ganker and loot scooper through to intercept him on the other side of the gate, and got him to structure before concord popped me. What did the guy do? poo poo talked about how terrible gankers are at eve while on his way to the juuni gate, and jumped right through, to be lolowned by the other ganker. Didnt dock up to repair, or offload cargo into smaller chunks, or fit a tank. Just went right on through. Pubbies in general are so stupid, especially so for the ones who haul poo poo for <1M/jump. The passive targeter is best practice, but it's not like you have to be remotely good to kill these people. The best evidence for that is I do it easily, and I'm laughably bad at this game. Edit: i use a t2 targeter on my scanner because I'm a retard who assumed t2 = better. Maybe I should faction fit my scanner. Kazak_Hstan fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Kazak_Hstan posted:Edit: i use a t2 targeter on my scanner because I'm a retard who assumed t2 = better. Maybe I should faction fit my scanner. I always assumed that they got the yellow box after the module cycled because why else would the t2 have double the cycle time 
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