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zoux posted:
I would just like to reiterate that this scene was god damned amazing.
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Modus Operandi posted:I understand the direction they were going with Kingpin but I think the acting choices were odd. Kingpin does seem too aspergers like. It's doubtful that someone with that little social skills could make it in the crime world. It does not really explain how he was able to manipulate his way to the top. The whole point was that he wasn't at the top, he lived in fear of fortune cookie mystic speaking woman and she was the true kingpin. The whole season is just about Fisk trying to become more than just a small cog by taking over the roles of his partner's and failing spectacularly at it.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:09
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So Daredevil seems to be reaching cultural mass out in the real world. Hanging out in my local shady bar last Saturday, and every random dude was talking about it, even guys I'm pretty sure don't have regular access to a TV, computer, or electricity.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:13
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Shageletic posted:So Daredevil seems to be reaching cultural mass out in the real world. Hanging out in my local shady bar last Saturday, and every random dude was talking about it, even guys I'm pretty sure don't have regular access to a TV, computer, or electricity. I was curious about that myself. Cultural cachet is huge for sub services, HBO loves it when one of their shows breaks into the Zeitgeist and SNL and Sesame Street start doing parodies of it. HoC and OtiNB have had their share of that, but I haven't seen much of DD out there, though it is early yet. I know it's doing well in internet nerd circles, and I hope that it will resonate with a mainstream audience.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:29
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Modus Operandi posted:As far as Daredevil's suit goes I assume this is just the beta version and as the series progresses he'll find ways to modify it or change it more and more until it's more streamlined. That makes sense since they are going all out by making the series very origin based. Capone was a syphillitic halfwit. ^^^ It's only been a week. Wait for it to show up on SNL or something in a few days or something. How long did Orange is the New Black take to hit?
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Apr 21, 2015 02:31
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Shageletic posted:Capone was a syphillitic halfwit. Well, to my mind, both it and HoC were pushed harder by Netflix marketing and the entertainment media machine. OitNB due to its subject matter and minority cast generated a lot of thinkpieces about the political hot button issues it was handling (that and being good of course). HoC was Netflix's first entree into the prestige drama arena and starred two A listers, so it got a lot of buzz due to that. Netflix's marketing strategy is weird to me, I don't know who they reach out to. Take Bloodline for example: it's a show stacked top to bottom with serious talent, and they spent eight months shooting it on location. But most people had no idea it was coming out. They were a bit better than that with DD. Though, who am I to question the marketing strategy of an unbelievably successful company like Netlfix, obviously.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:42
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I think its obvious that Daredevil would have had a way bigger splash if they had done it weekly. But maybe they still got a ton of eyeballs on it too this way, and its not like they give a poo poo about ads. Maybe its doing exactly what they want.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:50
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Skeezy posted:I kinda wanted a flashback of when Fisk met Wesley. 
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Apr 21, 2015 03:20
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Wait are we talking Stargate James Spader or Blacklist James Spader? He's had many years to refine himself into the Spaderman that gives amazing monologues in The Blacklist.
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Apr 21, 2015 04:00
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Wait are we talking Stargate James Spader or Blacklist James Spader? He's had many years to refine himself into the Spaderman that gives amazing monologues in The Blacklist. Boston Legal
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Apr 21, 2015 04:11
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Glad I'm not the only one who thought of this: I'm guessing Gao is some sort of alien, is she in the comics at all?
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Apr 21, 2015 04:30
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Shageletic posted:I think its obvious that Daredevil would have had a way bigger splash if they had done it weekly. But maybe they still got a ton of eyeballs on it too this way, and its not like they give a poo poo about ads. Maybe its doing exactly what they want. I can totally imagine that people might sign up for netflix and then completely forget to cancel the service, where if it was a weekly thing once it was done that would remind them "oh yeah now i can cancel netflix!"
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Kazy posted:I'm guessing Gao is some sort of alien, is she in the comics at all? Current guess is Crane Mother from the Iron Fist stories. Not exactly alien, not exactly human. Iron Fist is that kind of comic book storyline, Mortal Kombat meets Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
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Shageletic posted:I think its obvious that Daredevil would have had a way bigger splash if they had done it weekly. But maybe they still got a ton of eyeballs on it too this way, and its not like they give a poo poo about ads. Maybe its doing exactly what they want. I disagree. One of the things that struck me about DD is that it's not super episodic, and it's kind of a slow burn for developing/revealing the characters. For me things dont start to really pick up until Fisk is introduced, which isn't until the end of Episode 3. If the whole show hadn't been available to watch and I had to remember every week "oh yeah watch Daredevil, it might be good" I might not have stuck with it. Being able to watch it in in 3-5 sittings meant the development of characters like Wesley worked for me, where there weren't a lot of big memorable moments that would have stuck with me in the weeks between episodes. I think the reason Netflix's distribution method is going to work out so well is that it avoids the problem of the regular tv schedule. A big problem I have is that all my shows are on the same schedule. I have lots to watch, but I'm alternated shows because even though (hypothetical example)I want to the next episode of Hannibal RIGHT NOW, I have to wait a week, so I watch The Flash instead. This isn't too bad, except when all the shows end at once, and then I have to wait for the next season of EVERYTHING. Netflix gives you you show all at once, so you can watch more of it right away to feed your fix. It doesn't release all its shows at once, but staggered. So while it's true that you watch a season in a day or a week and then have to wait a whole year, you do the same thing you did before: watch another show while you wait. And this other show has all the episodes out so you can watch at your own pace. You're still switching between shows, but you get to experience each show as a continuous experience. You don't have to be thinking about the characters of all the shows you watch at the same time. It also gives the shows more chance to be cinematic. I bet a lot of people often watch more than one episode at a time. This means that they have more freedom to make the show serialized. There's no risk of losing viewers who think they are too far behind, or who don't want to have to wait to see what happens. And you can still end every episode with a hook to make you come back for more, but it's not annoying any more. Season finales are a lot more brutal of a cliffhanger though.
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Apr 21, 2015 05:13
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After finally finishing the series, I think my favourite thing about it is the fact that Fisk always thanks the nameless henchman for doing things for him. He seems like he'd be a good boss, aside from the occasional headbutt.
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Apr 21, 2015 05:26
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ChiaPetOutletStore posted:After finally finishing the series, I think my favourite thing about it is the fact that Fisk always thanks the nameless henchman for doing things for him. He seems like he'd be a good boss, aside from the occasional headbutt. I liked that too. Now that you mention it, I wonder if that's something he'll stop doing now that he has a more realistic view of himself.
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Apr 21, 2015 05:39
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Steve Yun posted:In fact taking punishment is where he gets his superpowers. Daredevil is a repressed BDSM lover! Blindfolds, sticks, cuts, candles, weird getups, he's quite a kink! I ANALYZE CARTOONS
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Modus Operandi posted:As far as Daredevil's suit goes I assume this is just the beta version and as the series progresses he'll find ways to modify it or change it more and more until it's more streamlined. That makes sense since they are going all out by making the series very origin based. I'm sure Gao put him at the top - we know he spent time abroad in Asia and she's really the only boss he gives his full courtesy. We'll probably get more of his background during Power Man / Iron Fist when that starts up.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:09
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zoux posted:I was curious about that myself. Cultural cachet is huge for sub services, HBO loves it when one of their shows breaks into the Zeitgeist and SNL and Sesame Street start doing parodies of it. HoC and OtiNB have had their share of that, but I haven't seen much of DD out there, though it is early yet. I know it's doing well in internet nerd circles, and I hope that it will resonate with a mainstream audience. It's starting to gain ground with my friends and work buddies (who are not, on the whole, giant nerds like us) so I think it's on the rise. With how good the show is, I think it'll get to that zeitgeist point eventually. Perhaps Age of Ultron will give it a profile boost as well.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:32
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I don't know much about running crime empires, but smashing a guy to bits and cutting off his head with a car door, because he was rude to you, seems like great qualifications. I don't think anyone cares whether he is a bit socially awkward. Also Gao was the only one in the group that he had any sort of respect for, he clearly knows what he is doing.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:43
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Am I the only one who wouldn't change much about the suit at all? I think it needs to allow more freedom of movement -- it's really obvious, from even a few short moments of it in action, just how much more restrictive it is than his black ensemble -- but conceptually I really like it.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:45
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Maybe Madame Gao is The Mandarin!!!! I don't know much about comics.
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Apr 21, 2015 13:39
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The Mandarin is crap at speaking Mandarin?
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Apr 21, 2015 13:42
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Madame Gao is Wonder Woman. You can tell by the invisible jet in her exit scene.
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I thought the conversation between Urich and Silvermane explicitly stated that Fisk became a power player in New York's crime scene by basically wiping out the Italian mob, who were the biggest players up until that point. He basically brutalized his way to the top, probably as a consequence of exterminating the people he saw as being responsible for his father's failure.
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Phylodox posted:I thought the conversation between Urich and Silvermane explicitly stated that Fisk became a power player in New York's crime scene by basically wiping out the Italian mob, who were the biggest players up until that point. He basically brutalized his way to the top, probably as a consequence of exterminating the people he saw as being responsible for his father's failure. Yes, I think a natural thing to do in season 2 would be to actually see Rigoletto.
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Snak posted:I disagree. One of the things that struck me about DD is that it's not super episodic, and it's kind of a slow burn for developing/revealing the characters. For me things dont start to really pick up until Fisk is introduced, which isn't until the end of Episode 3. If the whole show hadn't been available to watch and I had to remember every week "oh yeah watch Daredevil, it might be good" I might not have stuck with it. Being able to watch it in in 3-5 sittings meant the development of characters like Wesley worked for me, where there weren't a lot of big memorable moments that would have stuck with me in the weeks between episodes. It's all hypotheticals, so no way to find out who's right here. But I think the slow pace (and remember every episode did have a climax, the first ep with the fight in the rain, the second with the balls out insanity) would have actually been an asset, as in proclaiming this is a show worth letting settling in and thinking about. And it would have given the media outlets time to write about their heads being whipped back on what should be another stupid comic book show somehow being this great and substantive. Maybe get a little True Detective buzz going on, get some speculation bandied about. Then wham! Wilson Fisk in the flesh. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Apr 21, 2015 15:09
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So, I thought this show was awesome, but seriously? "Oh cool, Ben Urich, and he's black in the show. The marvel universe has always been pretty white, and Ben has parts in all sorts of stories, so this is a great way to try and fix that!" *Ben Urich killed off before Daredevil is even Daredevil* .... 
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Apr 21, 2015 15:19
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Well, I mean, there's War Machine and Falcon, still, and Black Panther coming up.
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Apr 21, 2015 15:24
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surc posted:So, I thought this show was awesome, but seriously? Luke Cage bro.
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Apr 21, 2015 15:27
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surc posted:So, I thought this show was awesome, but seriously? He had a full character arc and the story kind of demanded it. Not killing him off just because he's black would be dumb. Also there are other black characters in Marvel movies and shows, including one upcoming character getting their own movie and another getting their own show.
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Apr 21, 2015 15:37
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zoux posted:Luke Cage bro. The Sharmat posted:He had a full character arc and the story kind of demanded it. Not killing him off just because he's black would be dumb. Dang you guys got defensive in the same "doesn't really affect what I'm saying at all" way real quick. There being an upcoming show and movie where the hero is black does not really have any impact on how  it is that in this show they changed an important and ongoing character from the comics to be black, then made him the one of the main good guys to be killed off before the completion of the first season, so that the 3 remaining (white) characters could suddenly realize just how urgent their mission really was and take steps.I also was not in any way saying they should have kept him alive because he's black, I have no idea where you got that one from. I'm saying that since in the comics he's white and does not die but instead goes on to be an important part of a bunch of good stories and important plot stuff for Daredevil and also for Alias/Jessica Jones, that making the change to have him be black, then changing it further from the comics so he dies is worth a or a or an  because of how much american media does the whole "black character is first to die/single token black character is killed off" thing.
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Apr 21, 2015 15:59
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That's not fair, Mrs. Cardenas was the first token character to die. You racist.
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Apr 21, 2015 16:05
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I've apparently been confusing Robbie Robertson and Ben Ulrich for years.
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Apr 21, 2015 16:06
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surc posted:I also was not in any way saying they should have kept him alive because he's black, I have no idea where you got that one from. Nah you're saying they shouldn't have made him black and then killed him, which is not that different.
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Apr 21, 2015 16:09
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Steven DeKnight mentioned that Marvel requested to have Ben killed in the show before the part was even cast. They cast Vondie knowing ahead of time he was going to die and they could get him for one season.
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Apr 21, 2015 16:10
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Ben's arc was solid and had to end in death. Better than getting pushed in front of a train next season, anyways. His wife explained it at the end and even got a "happy" send off because of his policy taking care of her from then on.
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Deadpool posted:Steven DeKnight mentioned that Marvel requested to have Ben killed in the show before the part was even cast. They cast Vondie knowing ahead of time he was going to die and they could get him for one season. That's odd, I wonder what's behind that. I was kind of hoping that we'd see Ulrich across all five series as he has ties to street level stories but nope! Also Chris Samnee, who draws the DD comic with writer Mark Waid, tried his hand at Netflix DD. 
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Apr 21, 2015 16:14
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zoux posted:That's odd, I wonder what's behind that. I was kind of hoping that we'd see Ulrich across all five series as he has ties to street level stories but nope! I assume since you think that he is safe and has plot armor.
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I initially thought Urich was gonna be a way to tie the TV parts of the universe to the movie parts, because he was also in Spiderman a lot. But the way they did it fit the needs of this series more. Also was I the only one that kept looking for Oscorp logos hidden in various places while watching this show?
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