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Hellsau posted:Did you two shot him with your 105mm derp? Please; I used HE in the 105mm long gun.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:I keep 3 rounds of HE on the E-50 because it has so much ammo anyways, but even shooting at Waffles you occasionally hit the gun and do like 17 damage. HE is garbage.
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Nordick posted:AP shells can hit the gun for 0 damage, or the tracks for 0 damage, or deviate Just So that they ricochet. Doesn't make AP garbage. Not with waffles they don't.
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The Southern Dandy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs Let's have a communist party! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrKM3NQ6IQY
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Valle posted:Let's have a communist party! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrKM3NQ6IQY Only if we play this on our balalaikas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmkySNDX4dU [e]: Actually I think I'll lead off with "RA RA Rasputin, Russia's greatest love machine" when I play my KV-2 now. The Southern Dandy fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Ensign Expendable posted:I fired HE into the rear end of a T95 once and it penned, a glorious day. I got penned by an HE shell in my T54 from a Centurion HESH shell which to me seems like a very very lucky pen. 127mm armor vs what 100mm avg pen on the HESH. HE makes no sense. VV Derp Hetzer's that fire nothing but HEAT and HE are glorious things. BadLlama fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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I am an idiot who shot nothing but HE from my VK28.01, Hetzer and FCM 36. It worked for me  KV2, of course. Anything else has a couple for wrecking fail platoons.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Not with waffles they don't.
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Valle posted:Let's have a communist party! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrKM3NQ6IQY Also, why do I want to snort a honking line after listening to the first 20 seconds of that? My circuit boy self won't leave me. The Southern Dandy fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Nordick posted:Yes they do, I have seen my fair share of hits on rhoombas and whatever paper tanks do jack poo poo because they just hit the tracks or the side of the gun barrel or whatever. my awfulpanther bounced two shots from a WT E100 earlier today. Bet he wished he had HE loaded!
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Azhais posted:my awfulpanther bounced two shots from a WT E100 earlier today. Bet he wished he had HE loaded! EDIT: Really, all I'm saying is "you shouldn't fire HE at paper tanks because the shot might go awry and not have the intended result" is a bit silly because the same applies to any shot you take. Have a shot at someone's juicy sice, but he's a bit far away? Don't fire, the shot might miss! Nordick fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Not with waffles they don't. They still do. HE is worthwhile in most waffle shooting because, even if it has a slightly higher chance to do insignificant damage, the increased damage on the 99% of shots that penetrate more than makes up for it. Most HE zero damage hits on waffles are hits that would've been zero damage with AP too. The game registers a hit when you shoot the muzzle brake.
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I kind of gave up on HE against waffles when a clean hit on a WFTE100 turret from a 90 mm gun failed to pen.
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Nordick posted:It wouldn't have made a difference, which is my point. Taking a shot where the risk outweighs the potential reward by so much generally isn't worth it. You have to spend a reload switching to and from HE, though you presumably fired your AP shell first, then, while you can do 30% more damage or so, there's a good chance of doing 10-25% of your damage instead. Especially at longer ranges, even to waffles. Also when you're looking at HE with ~60 pen or so, it is possible to hit part of a waffle's shield at a bad enough angle that it doesn't full pen. AP can often pen something even if the hit isn't perfectly on target, plus it's useful for anything, not just soft things There are situations where firing HE is better than firing AP, even when you're not forced to gamble, but actually getting it to average out better than just shooting AP means you have to be making very few mistakes with it. I don't trust myself to average out better than AP if I'm actively looking for HE situations, and I definitely wouldn't tell new players to try to min-max their individual shots. That being said I've fat-fingered my keyboard and loaded HE in my 263, then fully penetrated a 183 that was facehugging me through the top of the turret for ~800. So I dunno, HE is weird.
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I enjoy delivering HE shells to Rhm's more so than to waffles because the amount of hp you take off of them can be a hilariously huge amount. Also gently caress anyone that uses a rhm.
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Quit your twittering about the Borsig line. Heartillery has you in mind.
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Every now and then its fun to load a tank up and shoot HE out of it just to see what happens. This is better on higher caliber guns, but some low tier guns have deceptively good HE shells for their tier. The 85mm gun on Russian/Chinese mediums has a 300 damage HE shell with reasonable pen which can really gently caress up Hellcats. I tossed the 105 on my Awfulpanther for a bit and managed to bloop off 1400 damage on a WT-PZ4. The Ru-251 has really good HE shells for its gun, and its a lot of fun to race scouts somewhere, and give them a HE surprise. Its a fun way to blow off steam and occasionally works.
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Desuwa posted:Taking a shot where the risk outweighs the potential reward by so much generally isn't worth it. As for new new players, well they have the info on how HE works, it's not our business to babysit what they do with that info. If they don't try it they'll never learn it. Also, as CitizenKain said, it's fun to futz around with.
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If you like HE, you owe it to yourself to get a T49. It has standard HE, Anti-Tank HE and HE with more splash. What more could anyone need?
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Okay so...about the M2 medium...how the he'll do I make this guy work? The only fun with penetration is a 37mm and it is a big, slow target. Not to mention the IV and V tanks rip through it.
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Blindeye posted:Okay so...about the M2 medium...how the he'll do I make this guy work? The only fun with penetration is a 37mm and it is a big, slow target. Not to mention the IV and V tanks rip through it. Other than that, it doesn't really have anything going for it. Just keep at it, it'll be over soon.
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Nordick posted:It has absurdly good gun depression, so if you can find a hill to peek over, you can use that to your advantage. Well, at least can I hope the M3 is more usable?
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Blindeye posted:Okay so...about the M2 medium...how the he'll do I make this guy work? The only fun with penetration is a 37mm and it is a big, slow target. Not to mention the IV and V tanks rip through it. 75 with HE dunks motherfuckers iirc but last I played it was probably multiple years ago~
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Blindeye posted:Well, at least can I hope the M3 is more usable? hahahaha (It's the Lee) You shoot your gun very quickly, but there are problems with the Lee.
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Blindeye posted:Well, at least can I hope the M3 is more usable?
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Blindeye posted:Well, at least can I hope the M3 is more usable? I don't know why WG does this but tiers 3-4 are essentially the poo poo tiers where all the interwar garbage tanks are. I can probably count the number of good tanks in there on one hand, your solace is that they are over relatively quickly and and everyone else is likely driving a shitbox as well.
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Except for all the seal clubbers driving around with pom-poms and BT-SVs and Pz IIJs.
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pun pundit posted:Except for all the seal clubbers driving around with Blindeye posted:Well, at least can I hope the M3 is more usable? Play it like a true pubbie shitlord: hide in the back and shamelessly steal kills as the masses grind down the enemy with their tiny autocannons.
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Speaking of HE shells and tier 4 tanks, here's a match where I (after some initial sniping) just go "gently caress it" and assault gun my way through some tier 6s in my SU-85B. A bunch of bad pubbies, silly HE experimenting and stupid blind luck involved. http://wotreplays.com/site/1817507#erlenberg-palantyre-su-85b
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I feel pretty good about this battle. Made a joke about carrying the team when we were clearly headed for a loss...then proceeded to carry the team.
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My cousin mentioned some new German TD coming in 9.7? Anyone know where that's falling in the line?
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What the gently caress is Mittangard doing in this game? It's the shittiest map and bears absolutely no relevance to how the game should play.
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Is that the one that looks like a town built inside a rock quarry? If so, it really is some bullshit.
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Azhais posted:My cousin mentioned some new German TD coming in 9.7? Anyone know where that's falling in the line? There's a new premium TD coming, not sure if it's in 9.7 though. It's the Kanonenjagdpanzer, a 60's tank destroyer armed with a 90mm gun (functionally the same as the one in the RU-251 I believe). Very fast, good gun depression. A beefier, larger E25 with no limited MM.
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Is that the one that looks like a town built inside a rock quarry? If so, it really is some bullshit. Yeah, it's an awful deathmatch shitfest that seems to have been designed for an entirely different game.
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Is that the one that looks like a town built inside a rock quarry? If so, it really is some bullshit. It's over in 5 mins or less so helps you grind faster past tier 3 far as I can tell.
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That map is amazing and is probably the single greatest thing they have ever managed to poo poo out. Tiers 3 and lower should only be on that map. We are talking about the one where both teams start on a giant hill and have to race down into a small city and each teams arty is segregated off to some other part of the map? BadLlama fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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I've been playing the Pak40 trying to get that map, but no dice. With bino's obviously.
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I've been trying to shoot HESH out of the Charioteer and it's going so-so. The L7 on it is considerably worse than the same gun on the Centurion 7/1, which is the first problem. The second problem is that even very high penetration HE shells (which is all HESH is right now) still will get caught up on poo poo and you 500+ damage shot ends up doing 76 damage instead or something. When it works it's fantastic, when it doesn't it's aggravating as gently caress.
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