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Apr 22, 2015 07:06
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Smash the States.
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Apr 22, 2015 12:54
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VitalSigns posted:What? Who do you think was doing Jim Crow? What do you think the federal Civil Rights Act, or the Voting Rights Act were intended to do? Why do you think Supreme Court decisions like Loving v Virginia were necessary? Who do you think sent these soldiers, and do you think it was state or federal officials shutting down schools and blocking down doors to keep out the blacks? who the gently caress cares, the whole point is to remove the influence the shittier parts of the US have. I don't care if Alabama goes to hell, if you aren't actively planning to escape a region like that you're just a moron the bigot states are bigot states because they are filled with bigots, no amount of federal government is going to stop that. let them burn i would trade universal healthcare in vermont for gay marriage in mississippi
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Apr 22, 2015 14:08
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Shbobdb posted:So what? So it's not a problem solved by "better districting" unless you want to move to non-contiguous districts (which are basically worse in every other way).
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Apr 22, 2015 14:09
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down with slavery posted:who the gently caress cares, the whole point is to remove the influence the shittier parts of the US have. I don't care if Alabama goes to hell, if you aren't actively planning to escape a region like that you're just a moron So all the underpowered minorities in the bigot states should basically be left behind?
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Apr 22, 2015 15:19
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Not really. You'll always have some potential for fuckery around the edges of a district, which is why better districting is important. Otherwise you've got people self segregating by socioeconomic class as well as race and creed. There should ideally still be a distribution of political opinions as well as people being people (sorry your neighbors don't like you Fishmensch). I fail to see how that is a problem.
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Apr 22, 2015 15:35
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Shbobdb posted:Not really. You'll always have some potential for fuckery around the edges of a district, which is why better districting is important. Otherwise you've got people self segregating by socioeconomic class as well as race and creed. There should ideally still be a distribution of political opinions as well as people being people (sorry your neighbors don't like you Fishmensch). I fail to see how that is a problem. No I was talking about how the neighbors at the last place were pretty racist towards the black people living in the apartment above us.
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Apr 22, 2015 16:31
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down with slavery posted:who the gently caress cares, the whole point is to remove the influence the shittier parts of the US have. I don't care if Alabama goes to hell, if you aren't actively planning to escape a region like that you're just a moron That's cool, I'm going to support civil rights for me and my friends in Texas anyway though, good luck with your neo-confederate drivel.
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Apr 22, 2015 16:42
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:So all the underpowered minorities in the bigot states should basically be left behind? the federal government doesn't prevent mississippi from becoming less bigoted, it prevents vermont from instituting universal healthcare ultimately we live in a democracy and while it sucks that parts of our democracy are festering shitholes, we'd be better off jettisoning them as opposed to allowing the idiot electorate there to keep driving the country into the ground VitalSigns posted:That's cool, I'm going to support civil rights for me and my friends in Texas anyway though, good luck with your neo-confederate drivel. I will too, but I'm not going to cry over spilled milk when Texas votes to get shittier and gets shittier.
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Apr 22, 2015 17:17
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like I know gay people being able to be married everywhere is the end all be all of political goals but maybe, just maybe, some of the more progressive states would be better off without Texas' electorate influencing their policy
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Apr 22, 2015 17:20
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down with slavery posted:the federal government doesn't prevent mississippi from becoming less bigoted, it prevents vermont from instituting universal healthcare Mississippi was forced into accepting interracial marriage and will be forced into accepting same-sex marriage soon. Vermont's UHC plan died because it was a single tiny state, not federal opposition.
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Apr 22, 2015 17:28
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down with slavery posted:the federal government doesn't prevent mississippi from becoming less bigoted, it prevents vermont from instituting universal healthcare Agreed friend, it prevents Mississippi from becoming more bigoted. Glad you agree.  Series DD Funding posted:Mississippi was forced into accepting interracial marriage and will be forced into accepting same-sex marriage soon. Vermont's UHC plan died because it was a single tiny state, not federal opposition. Also because Vermonters themselves freaked out over it when push came to shove.
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Apr 22, 2015 17:33
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Nintendo Kid posted:Also because Vermonters themselves freaked out over it when push came to shove. bottom line is the federal government prevents progress in as many ways as it helps it, it just makes things slower Series DD Funding posted:Mississippi was forced into accepting interracial marriage and will be forced into accepting same-sex marriage soon. Vermont's UHC plan died because it was a single tiny state, not federal opposition. yes and we're all forced to pay a large amount of our money towards foreign wars that many states would not participate in had they been given the chance to decide for themselves Vermont's UHC plan died for a lot of reasons but opposition from the federal government was surely a factor again, we live in a democracy, if Texas votes to gently caress themselves over that's on them. I don't see why the more progressive states should have to adjust their policy because of the brainwashed conservative electorate thousands of miles away "because gay marriage" isn't really good enough for me, where a large chunk of the money I put into the federal government actively works against my wishes while the very lgbt rights we're supposedly fighting for are widely accepted here down with slavery fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 17:44
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down with slavery posted:bottom line is the federal government prevents progress in as many ways as it helps it, it just makes things slower Tell that to poor Southerners who can get health insurance now I guess? Or the ones who can't get fired from their jobs for being black and take literacy tests. Or just tell them FYGM instead, your call.
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Apr 22, 2015 17:51
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Series DD Funding posted:Tell that to poor Southerners who can get health insurance now I guess? Or the ones who can't get fired from their jobs for being black and take literacy tests. Or just tell them FYGM instead, your call. I will happily tell that to poor southerners who can't get health insurance that they best wake up and smell the coffee and stop voting R because a a majority of poor southerners are still voting R We tell everywhere else in the world FYGM, I'd just rather not have Alabama's electorate influencing the policy where I live, where we don't vote like complete morons.
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Apr 22, 2015 17:55
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down with slavery posted:bottom line is the federal government prevents progress in as many ways as it helps it, it just makes things slower Actually no, this is false as all hell.
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Apr 22, 2015 18:05
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Nintendo Kid posted:Actually no, this is false as all hell. you're right, the federal government is the fast track to getting something done effectively and efficiently, like ensuring drug policy is reasonable, keeping an eye on those pesky financiers and continuing to murder foreign nationals see there's so many fewer stakeholders in the federal government it means the debates go way faster and policy decisions get made quickly let's not forget how much the federal government protects unions from attacks by state legislatures as well down with slavery fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 18:07
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down with slavery posted:you're right, the federal government is the fast track to getting something done effectively and efficiently, like ensuring drug policy is reasonable, keeping an eye on those pesky financiers and continuing to murder foreign nationals It is though. Also state financial regulations are usually quite easily evaded by simply basing out of another state, kid. You just keep whining about your insanity-driven delusions of how the federal government is to blame for people hating drugs and foreigners though! That's surely constructive.
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Apr 22, 2015 18:21
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i don't put the fault at the feet of the federal government, i think it's the fault of the moronic electorate in the south continuing to support a backwards political party regardless of the consequences the federal government is hamstrung by those people and prevents progress, we'd be better off if our leaders didn't have to pander to those people in order to get elected I'm down for keeping the federation for the good states, I just want to cut out the lovely ones put it this way, if we kicked the american south out of the federation, we would already have federally mandated gay marriage
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Apr 22, 2015 18:25
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down with slavery posted:I will happily tell that to poor southerners who can't get health insurance that they best wake up and smell the coffee and stop voting R because a a majority of poor southerners are still voting R The people who are most affected aren't voting Romney. Look at the racial crosstabs. down with slavery posted:ensuring drug policy is reasonable Most of the war on drugs is state-level. Notice how the DEA is doing jack poo poo about Washington and Colorado? quote:continuing to murder foreign nationals An America without the South wouldn't be at war with al-qaeda?
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Apr 22, 2015 18:29
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Series DD Funding posted:The people who are most affected aren't voting Romney. Look at the racial crosstabs. It doesn't change the fact that a majority of poor southerners (the group you mentioned) voted for the guy who wanted to prevent them from having healthcare. As far as racial groups go, my first advice to any minority living in the south would be to get the gently caress out as fast as possible. I understand that's not an option for everyone, but again, I don't think the poor here should have to suffer because the south will fight tooth and nail against social progress. If that's "gently caress your poor people, I'd rather help the guy I see homeless on the streets every day" then so be it. quote:Most of the war on drugs is state-level. Notice how the DEA is doing jack poo poo about Washington and Colorado? Stoked by the federal government over the past 30 years by the continued militarization of the police force (again, pushed by the feds) To act like the federal government isn't largely responsible for the war on drugs is pretty drat disingenuous. Scheduling laws? quote:An America without the South wouldn't be at war with al-qaeda? An America without the South probably wouldn't have invaded Iraq because the GOP would have never won in 2000. down with slavery fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 18:32
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Hey down with slavery you realize that no states are even thinking about legalizing any drug other than weed right? So it's a bit silly to claim states are successfully fighting back on the drug war when they won't even legalize LSD and MDMA.
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Apr 22, 2015 18:42
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I would be way more interested in proper scheduling and research laws as opposed to "legalizing" anything in specific. The federal government prevents tons of legitimiate drug research across the country. MDMA is a great example actually, because it's shown a ton of promise as a therapy for PTSD.
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Apr 22, 2015 18:47
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I too am for the mass genocide of Americans
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Apr 22, 2015 19:21
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I too am for the mass genocide of Americans well once we kick them out of the union they aren't really Americans any more and we have a long history of killing people from other places so no harm no foul as far as I see it
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Apr 22, 2015 19:56
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Nintendo Kid posted:No I was talking about how the neighbors at the last place were pretty racist towards the black people living in the apartment above us. Which is one of the factors that drives self selection . . .
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Apr 22, 2015 20:57
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down with slavery posted:As far as racial groups go, my first advice to any minority living in the south would be to get the gently caress out as fast as possible. I understand that's not an option for everyone, but again, I don't think the poor here should have to suffer because the south will fight tooth and nail against social progress. If that's "gently caress your poor people, I'd rather help the guy I see homeless on the streets every day" then so be it. "get out of the south, minorities!" says an american who lives in a part of the country that has far less minorities than the south
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Apr 22, 2015 21:15
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"Only the north respects minorities" -- a person who statistically speaking is almost certain to live where no DREAM act has been passed
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Apr 22, 2015 21:31
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Popular Thug Drink posted:"get out of the south, minorities!" says an american who lives in a part of the country that has far less minorities than the south it's not the quantity, it's the quality
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Apr 22, 2015 22:01
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down with slavery posted:it's not the quantity, it's the quality Ada Alger Amherst Ansonia Antwerp Arcanum Ashville Avon Avon Lake Bay Village Bedford Bellevue Bethel Beverly Blanchester Bluffton Bridgetown Broadview Heights Brooklyn Brookville Brunswick Bryan Caldwell Canfield Carey Carrollton Celina Chagrin Falls Chardon Chesapeake Cheviot Chippewa Township Clyde Coal Grove Coldwater Columbiana Corning Covedale CDP Crooksville Cuyahoga Falls Deer Park Defiance Delphos Eastlake Fairborn Fairview Findlay Fort Recovery Galion Garrettsville Germantown Gibsonburg Greenhills Grove City Harrison Hicksville Hubbard Hudson Huron Independence Jefferson Johnstown Kettering Lakemore Lakewood Loudonville Louisville Lynchburg Lyndhurst Mariemont Mayfield Mayfield Heights McDonald Miamisburg Middletown Millersburg Minerva Mogadore Montpelier Mount Gilead Mount Sterling Napoleon Neffs New Boston New Lexington Newburgh Heights Newton Falls Niles North Baltimore North Olmsted Norwood Oak Harbor Oakwood Ottawa Ottawa Hills Parma Parma Heights Poland Reading Reynoldsburg Rittman Rocky River Seven Hills Shadyside Shawnee Sheffield Lake Shelby Silver Lake Solon South Amherst South Lebanon St. Bernard St. Marys Stow Strasburg Strongsville Sylvania Syracuse Tallmadge Tipp City Trenton University Heights Upper Arlington Upper Sandusky Vermilion Wapakoneta Warrensville Heights Wauseon Waverly West Liberty West Milton West Portsmouth Westlake Wheelersburg Williamsburg Willowick Woodsfield these are all probable sundown towns in the state of ohio
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Apr 22, 2015 22:03
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down with slavery posted:it's not the quantity, it's the quality ah, so you're only interested in helping the good ones
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Apr 22, 2015 22:04
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Popular Thug Drink posted:ah, so you're only interested in helping the good ones the ones who don't vote R are more than welcome
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Apr 22, 2015 22:05
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down with slavery posted:the ones who don't vote R are more than welcome 95% of Alabaman black people voted for Obama.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:06
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it's totally normal, and progressive, to hate an entire group of people because they don't think the way you think, and to accuse them of being racially intolerant despite living in far more diverse communities ahh, internet leftism
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Apr 22, 2015 22:07
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down with slavery posted:the ones who don't vote R are more than welcome There are no Southerner minorities voting R.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:07
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Badger of Basra posted:There are no Southerner minorities voting R. Series DD Funding posted:95% of Alabaman black people voted for Obama. Again, they are welcome to come here, those are the good ones Popular Thug Drink posted:it's totally normal, and progressive, to hate an entire group of people because they don't think the way you think, and to accuse them of being racially intolerant despite living in far more diverse communities uhh I don't hate them I just think they are dumb and want them to stop influencing the policy where I live. it's not really much of an accusation when they openly support racist ideas
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Apr 22, 2015 22:07
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down with slavery posted:uhh I don't hate them I just think they are dumb and want them to stop influencing the policy where I live. it's not really much of an accusation when they openly support racist ideas this is what hitler said about the jews ridic slacktivisim here. it's pretty easy to sit in front of a computer in a 95% white suburb and decry the racism of the world. but it's not very interesting except when people laugh at how retarded you are
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Apr 22, 2015 22:10
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"if it werent for those mean old white southern racist, the united states would be a progressive utopia" -someone who never goes outside
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Apr 22, 2015 22:11
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"those are the good ones" --- a totally non-racist person who isn't racist, as he lives in the non-racist utopia state of The North
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down with slavery, you're a stupid, bigoted racist piece of poo poo who doesnt know a drat thing about the north, the south, minorities, or in fact anything at all. i'm guessing you're probably a middle-class obese white man, who thinks that what he reads on the internet is the sum total of existence. i could be wrong, though -- maybe you're not obese.
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