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So with Chavez jr thoroughly humiliated against Fonfara, what are the odds that Froch will keep talking about fighting the dude? Will Junior even sell tickets anymore?
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CommonShore posted:I'm watching Matthysse-Provodnikov on a replay right now. These guys are so good, despite the fact that they have losses to the top guys right now. Boxing right now is pretty great. It's far too international a sport to "die", as its ignorant detractors have been predicting for many years now, but boxing was in the wilderness for about a dozen years as far as American media presence went. This was mainly due to the eastern European Klitschko brothers dominating the heavyweight division, which is seen as the marquee division in boxing, and has had a history of American dominance since the sport first mandated gloved fists. The 1990s of course had Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, and Mike Tyson, but since then, there's basically been 0 relevant American heavyweights, as most American athletes of that size went into basketball or football. As a result, American media stopped covering the heavyweight division, and boxing coverage in general in the States took a big hit because of that. You could also blame a lack of crossover American boxing stars in lower divisions (other than Oscar de la Hoya and now Floyd Mayweather, there's been very few mainstream-recognizable new American boxers in the last 15 years), and the explosion of the popularity of the UFC, which has no shortage of American talent and is capable of forcing the best fighters the fight eachother, which has long been a problem in boxing due to its total lack of unifying infrastructure. With this PBC thing, and all of these great matchups on free/network television, boxing is as strong as it has been since the 1990s at least. Also consider that the heavyweight division is about to turn over a new generation, one that should have at least one elite American presence in Deontay Wilder, as well as a couple of British talents in Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. The heavyweight division improving as well as being dominated by American, or at least native English speaking fighters should do wonders for boxing's media coverage in the west, which never had any time for the Klitschkos. Boxing will always be a bit of a mess due to the lack of a UFC style centralized league, the different corrupt sanctioning bodies, the rival promoters and television networks, etc, but I have been following boxing since the early 90s, and this is the best it's felt in a long time. To answer your other question, Canelo is 2 full weight classes above Matthyse, and Canelo will likely end up at middleweight (160 pounds) before too long. Matthyse is an average/smallish junior welterweight (140), so no, they will never fight.
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Apr 20, 2015 07:35
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Mr. Belpit posted:So with Chavez jr thoroughly humiliated against Fonfara, what are the odds that Froch will keep talking about fighting the dude? Will Junior even sell tickets anymore? I can't imagine that the crowd who has actually supported JCC Jr. up to this point would continue to do so. Everything about the guy is just humiliating right now, and I don't think he could sell tickets like a Floyd Mayweather or Adrien Broner (where a portion of the people are paying almost exclusively to see the guy lose). Now that I've finally seen him get his (actual non-Martinez) comeuppance, I don't really care to ever see him fight again. Ok ok, I would still love to see GGG wipe the foor with him
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Apr 20, 2015 11:57
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Cigar Aficionado posted:To answer your other question, Canelo is 2 full weight classes above Matthyse, and Canelo will likely end up at middleweight (160 pounds) before too long. Matthyse is an average/smallish junior welterweight (140), so no, they will never fight. Yeah that's what I figured. Provodnikov seemed to be quite a bit bigger, but I wasn't sure if that was because Provodnikov is huge for the class, or Matthyse is small. I saw on wikipedia that he had moved a bit between jw and w, while Canelo has fought at w and sw. That's too bad, because it'd be a good fight, but if there's that much size difference I wouldn't want to subject Matthyse to it. He doesn't strike me as being of a style that can deal with a bigger opponent who would outmuscle him, which Canelo certainly would. Guess we'll just get to see him in more cool fights at jw/w. Woe is us. Boxing is dying, right? 
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Apr 20, 2015 14:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF76dlQt23c Are we doing a seperate thread for MayPac?
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Apr 21, 2015 19:04
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we're all boycotting it
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Apr 21, 2015 19:29
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willie_dee posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF76dlQt23c I'm working on it and should have it done either today (hopefully!!) or tomorrow.
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Apr 21, 2015 19:51
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The Ninth Layer posted:I'm working on it and should have it done either today (hopefully!!) or tomorrow. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12736671/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-contract-not-signed poo poo like this is making this fight seem very meh less than two weeks out.
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Apr 22, 2015 01:23
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This is a pretty trippy article about Pacquiao: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-fight.html
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Apr 22, 2015 04:44
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I'm stupid, is there a way to watch the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight online pay per view?
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polpotpotpotpotpot posted:This is a pretty trippy article about Pacquiao: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-fight.html That was good, I like it. Terebus posted:I'm stupid, is there a way to watch the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight online pay per view? Because this is boxing, I find it unlikely.
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Apr 22, 2015 11:02
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Terebus posted:I'm stupid, is there a way to watch the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight online pay per view? Depends on where you live (Philippines, Sweden), there is a megapost on /r/boxing with all the different venues you'll be able to watch. In summary I'm gonna watch a lovely  stream for lack of better options. I'd probably even pay real money if I could.
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Apr 22, 2015 14:53
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As a filthy millennial cord cutter what is my best option to watch fights regularly? I do have basic Channels so I can watch the fights that are on nbc if I could figure out when they are. Is YouTube the best place to catch up? I'm thinking I'll look up good fights from last year and watch those to start. On that note: outside of Floyd who's got the best defense fighting today. I love watching the turn of the century guys like Archie Moore and willie Pep. If I could watch that in modern HD I would be so happy.
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Apr 22, 2015 18:15
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Xguard86 posted:turn of the century guys like Archie Moore and willie Pep 
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Apr 22, 2015 18:22
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What era is that called? In retrospect yeah it's not really right to say turn the the century. I guess I'm thinking the fighters from like 1930- 1950 before ali/Frazier/foreman but still have some kind of film presence. Idk someone give me the boxing generations.
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Apr 22, 2015 18:28
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Xguard86 posted:On that note: outside of Floyd who's got the best defense fighting today. I love watching the turn of the century guys like Archie Moore and willie Pep. If I could watch that in modern HD I would be so happy. Guillermo Rigondeaux. (or Andre Ward, I suppose, but he doesn't really fight much these days) ozymandius1024 fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 19:12
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Xguard86 posted:What era is that called? In retrospect yeah it's not really right to say turn the the century. I guess I'm thinking the fighters from like 1930- 1950 before ali/Frazier/foreman but still have some kind of film presence. Yeah, Archie Moore was born in 1916. I'd call that early-to-mid century, I guess.
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Apr 22, 2015 20:46
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Xguard86 posted:As a filthy millennial cord cutter what is my best option to watch fights regularly? I do have basic Channels so I can watch the fights that are on nbc if I could figure out when they are. Apart from NBC / CBS most of the big fights these days are still on HBO. I hear there's a new HBO streaming service called HBO Now that may be worth looking into. A lot of us stream from other sources so if you're around on fight night you may be able to get a link. In my opinion the best source for upcoming fights is Bad Left Hook's schedule. Youtube is probably the best place for fights that have already happened unless you want to go full-on torrents, which are around online if you know where to look. Most of the really good defensive fighters don't fight all that often unfortunately. But as others mentioned, Guillermo Rigondeaux and Andre Ward are guys to watch if you like great defense, and you can probably find some of their fights on Youtube.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:01
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sigmachiev posted:http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12736671/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-contract-not-signed Looks like they reached an agreement! http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12742805/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-ticket-deal-done
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Apr 22, 2015 22:09
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Does anyone here listen to tha boxing voice radio show? I think it's a pretty entertaining source of boxing news and commentary.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:16
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Quick thought exercise: bigger underdog? Bryant Jennings vs Wlad Willie Monroe jr. Vs GGG
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Apr 22, 2015 22:41
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Monroe. Wlad has at least shown that he's got weaknesses.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:47
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The Ninth Layer posted:Apart from NBC / CBS most of the big fights these days are still on HBO. I hear there's a new HBO streaming service called HBO Now that may be worth looking into. A lot of us stream from other sources so if you're around on fight night you may be able to get a link. In my opinion the best source for upcoming fights is Bad Left Hook's schedule. I've been on the fence about getting the HBO streaming service maybe this will tip me over. I'll have to keep my eyes open and put together a YouTube list
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Apr 22, 2015 23:00
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Lionel Richie posted:Monroe. Wlad has at least shown that he's got weaknesses. I would agree with that, but Jennings is small and doesn't have a ton of pop. I've enjoyed Monroe's confidence in the leadup to the fight, but I don't know how effective he's going to be in attempting to Not Get Knocked Out Against GGG.
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I wasn't under the impression Monroe could bang either though. At least Jennings can have like fat dude power on his side. Either way it's not like its time to parlay both fights going the distance or anything.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:53
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I was excited when the agreement was announced. Was hoping that the tickets would be going on sale some time tonight but now who knows when they go. I just want to at least be able to try at them sheesh.
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Apr 23, 2015 00:53
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Have you gone ahead and bought closed circuit tickets? I really don't want to pay the $150 or whatever that they're charging per person.
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Apr 23, 2015 01:07
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The Ninth Layer posted:Have you gone ahead and bought closed circuit tickets? I really don't want to pay the $150 or whatever that they're charging per person. No tickets are even out yet including the closed circuit I believe. I am hearing a lot of people are cancelling their reservations cause of all this craziness. I might cancel my booking and try to snipe a suite. They wouldn't offer me one initially I bet a bunch just opened up.
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Apr 23, 2015 01:08
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i bet you can get tickets on the street on the day of the fight from some money team dude for cheap enough. gonna be a total buyer's market the day of the fight now they've left it so late to flood the market
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The SituAsian posted:Quick thought exercise: bigger underdog? Technically Monroe but realistically they're the same underdog in neither have a shot. Beating Klitschko requires power or size, and Jennings has neither. Monroe has no power or size either, which matters more at lower weight divisions because in the heavyweight division, everyone technically has power if they land flush. I like Jennings as a personality but I don't know what he's doing here. It's like he's cashing out. He was Deontay Wilder's immediate mandatory, which is a much more winnable fight for him than Klitschko is. If Jennings had fought Wilder and won, he'd have the WBC strap and would have been able to get a lot more money to fight Wlad. It's like he and his team realize that he got lucky to become so highly ranked, and they're going to try to make as much money as they can immediately before Jennings loses to an inferior fighter and compromises his worth. Based on his iffy performance against Mike Perez, it wouldn't be surprising. But yeah Monroe is small, has 6 KOs in 20 fights, and hasn't beaten anyone even ranked in the top 10. He's going to be slaughtered. Cigar Aficionado fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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What are the best Pacquiao fights I should get caught up on? I'm kind of a Floyd fan, just cause he's so obviously a master of the sport. That said, he's a dick, and I'd love to root against him :-P
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Apr 23, 2015 02:08
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Personally I'd stay away from the Bradley, Clottey, and Mosley fights. The only recent Pac fights I'd watch are the Marquez ones even if they might not make you believe in him versus Floyd, they're still great entertainment. However If you start with the Cotto fight in 09 and work your way back you'll be like "whoa" But there are better boxing historians in this thread who could give you specific matches to check out. I just know I paid for the Mosley fight and I'm still upset this many years later.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:11
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polpotpotpotpotpot posted:What are the best Pacquiao fights I should get caught up on? I'm kind of a Floyd fan, just cause he's so obviously a master of the sport. That said, he's a dick, and I'd love to root against him :-P barerra 1, marquez 1, morales 1, marquez 2, cotto, margarito, marquez 3 and 4 then watch the first bradley fight as a reminder of how he looks when he's off the roids/ preview of the floyd fight.
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Apr 23, 2015 02:25
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i thought he looked great in the second bradley fight. but basically watch the jmm series. it's all good
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Apr 23, 2015 02:27
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polpotpotpotpotpot posted:Depends on where you live (Philippines, Sweden), there is a megapost on /r/boxing with all the different venues you'll be able to watch. Cool, thanks for the answers pol and Mr. Dancing Polar Bear.
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Apr 23, 2015 11:16
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Looks like tickets go on sale at 3pm eat today. Closed circuit will go on sale at 6pm.
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Apr 23, 2015 11:54
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Cigar Aficionado posted:I like Jennings as a personality but I don't know what he's doing here. It's like he's cashing out. He was Deontay Wilder's immediate mandatory, which is a much more winnable fight for him than Klitschko is. If Jennings had fought Wilder and won, he'd have the WBC strap and would have been able to get a lot more money to fight Wlad. It's like he and his team realize that he got lucky to become so highly ranked, and they're going to try to make as much money as they can immediately before Jennings loses to an inferior fighter and compromises his worth. Based on his iffy performance against Mike Perez, it wouldn't be surprising. I think they are cashing him out to an extent (it's difficult for me to express how unimpressed I was with him in the Perez fight), but at least it's to the legit heavyweight champion of the world. He could have fought Deontay, but I'm thinking that it will still be available even if Jennings loses to Wlad (and holy loving poo poo if he actually wins). The opposite probably isn't true.
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General question but specific to the Mayweather/Pacquaio donnybrook, can you buy PPV access online? Like I'll email Bob Arum the goddamn money if it's possible. Or, even better, I could read the thread.
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Apr 23, 2015 16:35
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Xguard86 posted:As a filthy millennial cord cutter what is my best option to watch fights regularly? I do have basic Channels so I can watch the fights that are on nbc if I could figure out when they are. Definitely Rigondeaux for the second best defense in the sport. Also watch this for insights into defense and inspiration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4
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Surfing Turtle posted:Looks like tickets go on sale at 3pm eat today. Closed circuit will go on sale at 6pm. were you able to get any?
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