NZpol: A Dick-Burning Dumpster Fire

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puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

Agreed but replace nice with tired

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:15

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# ? May 10, 2024 03:46

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

Just FYI three middle class white males at my work have independently used the term 'PC run mad' in a sentence today.

One of whom is about to receive his third kid and has spent the last several months in a losing battle with the various governmental assistance bureaucracies w.r.t. getting financial/other help yet thinks the whole thing is blown out of proportion, not JK's fault, he's a decent guy just weird etc.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:19

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

Butt Wizard posted:

There is literally no proof that John Key's "Smear Team" has done anything. There's the infinitely more likely possibility that a lovely gossip columnist may have acted really unethically to get a story. Who else are you counting in his 'smear team'? Fran O'Sullivan or John Roughan at the Herald, one of which said they were ashamed he was PM and the latter who essentially called him a dick? I'm not exactly seeing much positive spin being put on this by anyone but Key, and so badly that he's not convincing anyone.

There's no way to spin it positive, the only way to control it is to suggest that the waitress has dodgy motives or is unreliable. The Herald released a next day piece outing the waitress against her will (something already very questionable on its own) and describing her as someone with "strong political points of view", written by a go-to journalist for National's attack dogs. That's just a coincidence? You really think no one in National's PR team had anything to do with that?

In general the media are taking this seriously, but you're being naive if you think National aren't trying to play damage control every way they can.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:21

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

I need to get off the facebook

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# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:27

Noxin of Shame: Jul 25, 2005; Our Dan

puchu posted:

Agreed but replace nice with tired

Agreed but it points out the inherent sexism and abuse of power dynamic quite well, so :shrug:

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:29

Somfin: Oct 25, 2010; In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.; Nap Ghost

swampland posted:

I call bullshit, why would Glucina purposely sabotage herself for Key? I could understand if we were talking about smearing others for him, but the idea she purposely did a shady news item on this somehow knowing that the waitress would post a preemptive story detailing said shadiness is just absurd.

Maybe she didn't mean to, but the bullet was passing through and she was in the way. The other option is that the waitress' employers were in on it. Either way, that's the cover now. Glucina hosed up, or was hosed over, so now she's gonna be the focus of every editorial that was gonna be about Key until he gets his quiet, dignified Gallipoli shot.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:31

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

fong posted:

There's no way to spin it positive, the only way to control it is to suggest that the waitress has dodgy motives or is unreliable. The Herald released a next day piece outing the waitress against her will (something already very questionable on its own) and describing her as someone with "strong political points of view", written by a go-to journalist for National's attack dogs. That's just a coincidence? You really think no one in National's PR team had anything to do with that?

In general the media are taking this seriously, but you're being naive if you think National aren't trying to play damage control every way they can.

A "go to" journalist? Literally no part of that is true. And you're deliberately ignoring their two infinitely more credible columnists who took Key to the cleaners yesterday as well, just to try and shoe-horn a reference to Dirty Politics in there somehow.

I don't doubt that National's PR machine is trying to spin this, but even the NBR is critical of Key and saying he's getting off lightly. Key did something dumb and whatever they're doing isn't working. Occam's Razor says a lovely journalist acted like a lovely journalist and has subsequently got herself and the Herald in a whole swag of poo poo which they are now desperately trying to fix.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:39

truther: Oct 22, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT THE BEARS

With the swarm of articles about this I haven't read them all but the first one I read was that she tried to give him hints it was uncomfortable and then eventually told him up-front and that was that.

Now it seems he continually persisted after she asked him to stop? Sorry, but that's far different than what the waitress first said. Blaming it on his wife was one of the jokes he used to pull when doing it IIRC - it wasn't something he did after she asked him to stop.

This whole thing is a mess with all the stories coming out, to be honest. Guess I should enjoy Key trying to work his way out of this one - the one thing the media seem to really grill him about...

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:42

Somfin: Oct 25, 2010; In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.; Nap Ghost

Butt Wizard posted:

Occam's Razor says a lovely journalist acted like a lovely journalist and has subsequently got herself and the Herald in a whole swag of poo poo

which will become the focus of the story because the media in NZ are desperate for any chance to salt, pepper, and feast upon the wounds of any other NZ media company.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:46

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

Butt Wizard posted:

A "go to" journalist? Literally no part of that is true. And you're deliberately ignoring their two infinitely more credible columnists who took Key to the cleaners yesterday as well, just to try and shoe-horn a reference to Dirty Politics in there somehow.

I don't doubt that National's PR machine is trying to spin this, but even the NBR is critical of Key and saying he's getting off lightly. Key did something dumb and whatever they're doing isn't working. Occam's Razor says a lovely journalist acted like a lovely journalist and has subsequently got herself and the Herald in a whole swag of poo poo which they are now desperately trying to fix.

From Dirty Politics:

Hager left out mention of most journalists involved but felt the need to name her explicitly because she's bound up in it all and is loving dodgy.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:51

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

mccready's sexual harrassment complaint is probably gonna lead.

Somfin posted:

The other option is that the waitress' employers were in on it.

that's a possiblity too. Glucina's brother works for the employers, because of course he does this is new zealand.

also...

quote:

A prominent New Zealander has had his case moved to the High Court.

The man is facing 12 charges of indecent assault brought by two complainants.

He appeared in the District Court - but the location of that court is suppressed.

He's been remanded on bail, to reappear at the High Court next week.

Other details around the case remain heavily suppressed.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:53

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

fong posted:

From Dirty Politics:

Hager left out mention of most journalists involved but felt the need to name her explicitly because she's bound up in it all and is loving dodgy.

Yea, let's not believe that the "journalist" linked to Dirty Politics isn't capable of acting unethically on her own.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 04:55

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

Butt Wizard posted:

Yea, let's not believe that the "journalist" linked to Dirty Politics isn't capable of acting unethically on her own.

Cool, just a coincidence then

lol

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:02

Binkenstein: Jan 18, 2010

The problem with the hair thing is that:

a) Key should have known better

b) the behaviour has been shrugged off as "stuff men do" and "just trying to be friendly" in the same way as rape cases get dismissed

c) the victim is being discredited and/or blamed for the whole thing, as if it's some Left Wing Conspiracy that enticed Key into behaving this way and then is now using it as a political attack campaign.

If Key had actually acknowledged his behaviour was poor & apologised properly (along with not having people leap to his defence about how he's a good guy really) then this would be a non-issue, outside of the Herald being monumentally stupid.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:03

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

fong posted:

Cool, just a coincidence then

lol

And you keep deliberately ignoring the huge amount of negative coverage that this has already garnered from outfits that people relentlessly accuse of being hugely biased in favour of National. As long as we both understand each other.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:06

voiceless anal fricative: May 6, 2007

Butt Wizard posted:

And you keep deliberately ignoring the huge amount of negative coverage that this has already garnered from outfits that people relentlessly accuse of being hugely biased in favour of National.

fong posted:

In general the media are taking this seriously

lol

Anyway even Italian news is picking it up I love this:
http://www.ilpost.it/2015/04/22/john-key-cameriera-capelli/

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:20

swampland: Oct 16, 2007; Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Jesus christ stuff commentators

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:21

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

fong posted:

Anyway even Italian news is picking it up I love this:
http://www.ilpost.it/2015/04/22/john-key-cameriera-capelli/

New Zealand Politics: John Key � un cretino?

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:21

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

Butt Wizard posted:

New Zealand Politics: John Key � un cretino?

Mods, please

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:23

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

france's most prominent newsmag called him "un tyran de cour de r�cr�ation" :mrgw:

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:24

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

Exclamation Marx posted:

france's most prominent newsmag called him "un tyran de cour de r�cr�ation"

en propri�t�

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:29

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

bobbilljim posted:

I need to get off the facebook

I'm personally glad none of the people I know are talking about it [as of yet].

truther posted:

With the swarm of articles about this I haven't read them all but the first one I read was that she tried to give him hints it was uncomfortable and then eventually told him up-front and that was that.

Now it seems he continually persisted after she asked him to stop? Sorry, but that's far different than what the waitress first said. Blaming it on his wife was one of the jokes he used to pull when doing it IIRC - it wasn't something he did after she asked him to stop.

Daily Blog Exclusive posted:

I shouldn�t have to tell THE PRIME MINISTER that I don�t like it when he pulls my hair � talk about stating the obvious!
...
I kept my distance when I could. It seemed as though the more I disliked it and made myself absent the more fun it became for him, the more he enjoyed the challenge of approaching from behind me, unsuspected.
...
He would come up behind me when I was at the ordering terminal, tug on my hair and then pretend that his wife, Bronagh, had done it (much to her embarrassment), and she would tell him to stop it.
...
On Saturday, 28th February (which I specifically recall as there was to be a protest outside his home the following day) he approached me from behind, security personnel by his side, as I stood with my back to him filling water glasses, and he pulled my hair before once again pointing the blame at Bronagh. I couldn�t believe it, he was still persisting and by now he had definitely got the message that I was not enjoying it � that seemed to be why he was enjoying it so drat much. It had really crossed the line by this point and I didn�t need to tell him to stop because now Bronagh herself was already telling him to stop what he was doing, and not for the first time I might add. I exclaimed �Really?!!�, to my manager beside me, and shot him a look of utter disbelief and frustration.
...
I told his security that I was sick of having my hair pulled and one day I�ll snap and i�ll punch him in the face. I hoped that maybe they�d tell him that enough�s enough and it�s time to draw it to an end. I posted on the National Party and the John Key Facebook pages a message along the lines of �Stop pulling my hair � I don�t like it!�. Maybe between social media and his security buddies and my body language and his wife�s advice he might finally get the message?
...
I was stood at the main entrance to meet and greet customers, I saw his security personnel enter first and I quickly turned myself to place my back against the wall, then John entered. Despite my best efforts to avoid the situation, without literally running away, he just couldn�t help himself and still attempted, from directly in front of me, to reach around behind me in search of my hair, as he walked by. That was too much, even for me. I had remained professional for absolutely as long as I could and this time I put my hand out in front of me, a barrier between John and myself, and I said �No! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!� as I wagged my finger at him and he reluctantly backed away. During this visit he said to my manager �she really doesn�t like me pulling her ponytail?� and she responded �well, �no!�.
....
I looked him in the eye and asked �is it self defence, with your security here, if I have to physically stop you from touching me?� and he countered, with a smile, �defence against what?�. He then changed the topic to the settling of his account and bid me politely farewell, but, as he motioned to leave and I turned towards the computer, he couldn�t resist that satisfying tug and once again he pulled my hair.

As he made his way out the door I said after him �Please STOP or I will actually hit you soon!�. He�d made it clear that he just didn�t care. I had made a scene, I had told his security, his wife had told him, I was getting pretty close to physically stopping him given half the chance, and he still didn�t care. Everybody knew that I didn�t like it, I really didn�t like it. I felt powerless and tormented and I stepped out the back and I cried frustrated tears.

A short while later he reappeared holding not one, but two bottles of JK 2012 PM�s Pinot Noir.

Excepting the instances where she tells other people, because as she says it's kind of embarrassing for her to have to tell the Prime Minister in front of his wife and four-man security entourage to stop touching her hair like a weirdo, and the ones communicated over social media where she wasn't immediately intimidated by him, there are TWO instances of her directly telling him no before the final tug, at which point she tells him no again and he just leaves the cafe. Clearly it was that third no that made someone else mention to him that maybe he actually needs to stop before this becomes a thing, and he comes back later to apologise.

Blaming it on his wife is clearly a joke, part of the 'game', but in that first account she had to directly tell him to stop three times on two separate occasions before he stopped, and he didn't apologise on the spot for it. It's not something people have added after the fact, it's right there.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:40

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

Turns out he did the same exact thing to a group of 12 year old girls at Te Papa.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 05:43

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

Would you rather have a loving blithering moron in power, or someone smart enough to know that he can get away with whatever he wants?

Which one is easier to shoot? In terms of open-air announcements in an area surrounded by tall buildings with open access to the rooftops?

Purely hypothetical question, you understand.

WarpedNaba fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Apr 23, 2015

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:16

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

prepare your ponytail, you will be picked up shortly

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:18

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

Someone needs to flood the market with cheap ponytail wigs so people can wear them in massive amounts at every event Key goes to from now on.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:20

Big Bad Beetleborg: Apr 8, 2007; Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Sell those rubber Nixon masks, except John Key masks, and then DPF can go to more costume parties dressed as a sex offender

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:25

Big Bad Beetleborg: Apr 8, 2007; Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Combine the two for Halloween, and it'd be the hot new "couples costume when you're not wearing a couples costume "

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:27

Somfin: Oct 25, 2010; In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.; Nap Ghost

John I think you genuinely hurt her feelings

You think so hon?

Yes and you should apologise.

I'll get her a bottle of wine.

I don't think that'll be enough.

Hmmm...

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:36

puchu: Sep 20, 2004; hiya~

One bottle of wine is fine for an apology. Two is just admitting you done hosed up

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:38

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Bronagh vetoed the handwritten coupons for head massages.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:38

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

Usually you say sorry right away, and stop molesting someone. You also don't instantly undercut your apology by saying you were just horsing around like she didn't have the right to call him out on being a creepy hair fetishist.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:48

Big Bad Beetleborg: Apr 8, 2007; Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

I would if I were the PM though.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:51

Moongrave: Jun 19, 2004; Finally Living Rent Free

mirthdefect posted:

I would if I were the PM though.

If you were a smart PM you'd just pay off high end, discreet hookers to let you indulge your hair touching fantasies.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:52

Big Bad Beetleborg: Apr 8, 2007; Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

If you were a smart PM you'd just pay off high end, discreet hookers to let you indulge your hair touching fantasies.

Or children. No one believes children, but you gotta not do it while posing for photographs.

# ? Apr 23, 2015 06:55

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

few more wicked sick ponytail touching examples on 3 tonight, any on One?

# ? Apr 23, 2015 07:16

spanky the dolphin: Sep 3, 2006

Exclamation Marx posted:

few more wicked sick ponytail touching examples on 3 tonight, any on One?

I just think it's astounding how many instances have come to light. He was doing it all this time under our noses and it took this for us to finally see.

spanky the dolphin fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Apr 23, 2015

# ? Apr 23, 2015 08:01