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Pumpy Dumper posted:cars are basically just murder weapons that will randomly decide to maim and kill everyone in their way also someone driving a car knows that they're not supposed to pop up onto the sidewalk. bicyclists dont
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Gus Hobbleton posted:it already embeds just fine??? lol at addons
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Space-Pope posted:also someone driving a car knows that they're not supposed to pop up onto the sidewalk have you never even seen a video from russia
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Vintersorg posted:lol at addons they own
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Space-Pope posted:bicycles are just cars that will randomly decide that they're actually pedestrians id rather a bike decided to be a pedestrian than a car. and guess what i see trying to become a pedestrian more than bikes hint, its trucks driving up on the loving sidewalk rather than wait at a red light
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Pumpy Dumper posted:cars are basically just murder weapons that will randomly decide to maim and kill everyone in their way as it stands if you get hit by a cyclist you might as well have been stabbed by a hobo. home/renter's insurance sometimes applies but not every cyclist has those and not necessarily with robust policies
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i like bike
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alternately it would be better if your own car insurance's unknown/underinsured tortfeasor coverage explicitly extended to underinsured cyclists but that's putting a further burden on the prospective "victim" and it wouldn't apply if you were a ped or cyclist struck by another cyclist anyway such coverage only works in scenarios where everyone's (reasonably assumed to be) insured anyway
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Kenny Logins posted:alternately it would be better if your own car insurance's unknown/underinsured tortfeasor coverage explicitly extended to underinsured cyclists but that's putting a further burden on the prospective "victim" and it wouldn't apply if you were a ped or cyclist struck by another cyclist anyway minimum auto coverage typically covers this already and lol at thinking that bike insurance would be any kinda burden - go have a look at what motorcycle insurance costs sometime
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yeah i dont think bike insurance would be much of a barrier but it would be nice if people who actually are injured by bikes had some sort of recourse. licensing i dont really care much about because the people who blow through a red light and then immediately plow into a group of school kids while screaming "IM LATE SO ITS OKAY" are licensed too
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the main problem is enforcement cops don't really spend a lotta time writing tickets to bicycle stopsign runners
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:the main problem is enforcement iawtp
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:minimum auto coverage typically covers this already if you're a car driver who is struck by an at-fault cyclist and (somehow) seriously injured, it is true that your no-fault benefits will apply and take the edge off (paying your medical expenses and part of your loss of income going forward) but the larger scope of a lawsuit has the same problem-- no recovery for future losses or pain & suffering. it is theoretically possible that your own car insurance's underinsured/unidentified tortfeasor coverage could kick in but i think it only applies as against other car drivers (presumed to be paying into the mandatory minimum insurance scheme in some way). in some places it might but i don't think it's common even if it's true at all what i meant by the burden of "bike insurance" is the added cost to a "victim" car driver's existing auto insurance costs which are already significant (for good reason) if bike insurance was mandatory i agree it would probably be pretty cheap (to carry the minimum), like you indicate with motorcycles. there's only so much damage a bike can reasonably be expected to do compared to a car. it would also be a nightmare to implement because bikes are also (currently) considered children's toys as well as a mode of transportation and the cost of implementation wouldn't be worth it unless bike usage increases like 50000% all across north america
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Gus Hobbleton posted:yeah i dont think bike insurance would be much of a barrier but it would be nice if people who actually are injured by bikes had some sort of recourse. but yeah it's the lack of recourse against particularly ignorant/aggressive cyclists that is the only thing that bothers me. shy of that i would just slot them in alongside dangerous rear end in a top hat car drivers and never think of them again H.P. Hovercraft posted:the main problem is enforcement  also particularly if they are white
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how many people are injured by bicyclists how many people are injured by motorists
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Lightbulb Out posted:how many people are injured by bicyclists how many cars are there/how many bikes are there/why do we always have to have this argument? 
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cyclists (legitimately) complain about getting doored etc. but the fact of the matter is if they get seriously hurt by a car driver out of the use and operation of their car in 99% of cases they can sue and stand a reasonable chance of recovery (and competent legal representation) at first instance and the car company pays for the motorist's lawyer who will likely play ball sometimes you don't even have to sue to get a decent settlement, although legal help will get you a better settlement in those cases
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prefect posted:why do we always have to have this argument? because everyone in this forum are terrible pendants
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the actual problem is how enraged some drivers get at cyclists and how disproportionate that is when youre talking about a bike that wont hurt your car but a car that can kill people
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Lightbulb Out posted:how many people are injured by bicyclists how many people are injured by bicyclists who are then completely hosed for the rest of their lives with no avenue of compensation how many people are injured by motorists who are then completely hosed for the rest of their lives with no avenue of compensation the answers should not surprise you
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Boxturret posted:pendants 
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if a bike runs into you and you somehow manage to get seriously injured i think that's darwin's way of telling you that you're too weak to live anyway how does that even happen
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MORE CURLY FRIES posted:the actual problem is how enraged some drivers get at cyclists and how disproportionate that is when youre talking about a bike that wont hurt your car but a car that can kill people it is possible that a cyclist's actions could cause a motorist to take really dangerous actions, such as swerving to avoid them and hitting something/someone else. it's not just physical forces of bike frame vs. car frame. conversely bikes swerving to avoid cars (and maybe hitting something/someone) tends to cause less damage overall obviously ol qwerty bastard posted:if a bike runs into you and you somehow manage to get seriously injured i think that's darwin's way of telling you that you're too weak to live anyway if you're in a car, see above
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ol qwerty bastard posted:if a bike runs into you and you somehow manage to get seriously injured i think that's darwin's way of telling you that you're too weak to live anyway also kids and elderly
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it's cool that i can waste everyone's time on this topic with tons of idiot bitch words just as effectively when i'm not even mad about cyclists at all anyway uh pics, right 
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SmokaDustbowl posted:fartttttt
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Kenny Logins posted:i'm not even mad lol
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Kenny Logins posted:i'm also dreaming when i even implicitly suggest that a bike insurance scheme would remedy this cultural problem im specifically talking about instances such as critical-mass-person-drives-through-crowd.gif
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'oh boo hoo i am not able to go fast' *drives through person on bike*
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bicycles should only be used on paths and trails for leisure, leave the roads open for the hard working men and women who have more important things to do and places to go.
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MORE CURLY FRIES posted:'oh boo hoo i am not able to go fast' *drives through person on bike* yes, this is the correct way to do it
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most people who ride bikes drive too, just include cycling insurance as an addon on car insurance
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MORE CURLY FRIES posted:im specifically talking about instances such as critical-mass-person-drives-through-crowd.gif MORE CURLY FRIES posted:'oh boo hoo i am not able to go fast' *drives through person on bike* if there were equal amounts of cyclists and motorists we would see who causes more accidents but we don't have that in north america. what we do have is traffic systems that are mostly incompatible with the speed/size difference of the two types of transportation speaking of a physical fitness component, the argument that cyclists shouldn't have to stop for stop signs/lights because it's aerobically too hard to stop and start all the time is to me a good example of the incompatibility as far as "road rage" against cyclists, those same people probably get a lot of road rage against other motorists too, which is a problem, but at least there's the whole thing where we have to assume they're insured to a certain minimum level so if they crush a cyclist the cyclist can be compensated 
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i had this idea to make driving a lot more pleasant and safe get a bunch of combat drones and have them flying in a holding pattern over the city. then, issue every driver an "rear end in a top hat remote", which is a little remote control with a single button on it. if you point it at another driver and press the button, it registers an "rear end in a top hat report" against them. if a driver gets too many rear end in a top hat reports within a certain amount of time, one of the drones takes him out. conversely, if you go around clicking the remote at everyone, you get dronekilled instead, since you're the one being an rear end in a top hat
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ol qwerty bastard posted:i had this idea to make driving a lot more pleasant and safe certain amount of shots on your car triggers dronestrike having an half-empty paintball gun also triggers dronestrike also: new season of china il to start watching aw yiss 
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Linux Pirate posted:.gifv is haram
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