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imagine if your Schlongs costed 15$ for the PREMIUM Schlongs of Skyrim experience.
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So at what point after introducing a useless trading card system (that you take a hefty cut from), an even more useless gem trading system (that you take a hefty cut from), and a system to force people to pay for mods (that you take a VERY hefty cut from) do you stop being a good company and start being an evil company?
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Apr 23, 2015 19:23
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dijon du jour posted:So at what point after introducing a useless trading card system (that you take a hefty cut from), an even more useless gem trading system (that you take a hefty cut from), and a system to force people to pay for mods (that you take a VERY hefty cut from) do you stop being a good company and start being an evil company? lol
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Apr 23, 2015 19:25
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dijon du jour posted:a system to force people to pay for mods
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Apr 23, 2015 19:26
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It will be interesting to see how many modders will actually put any effort to making quality paid content versus how much low-effort garbage will be there. And also if Valve or the game devs make any effort to police the Workshop now.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:27
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The Kins posted:Can you name a Steam feature added in the last, what, three years that didn't go through a initial moshpit of blood and horror before slowly stabilising into something usable? Steam Music Player?
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Apr 23, 2015 19:29
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They couldīve just put up a system for donating to modders. But no, they had to go the extra mile. Who in their right mind would pay for some mediocre new virtual barbie house in a single player game?
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Apr 23, 2015 19:34
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The really funny thing about this is that already a bunch of these mods cost as much as Skyrim itself while it's on sale. Edit: also that like half of the stuff is some weapon model or whatnot that you have to open up the console to actually use lol
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Apr 23, 2015 19:34
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I can understand the thought process--compensate mod creators to give incentive for higher quality content--but Skyrim is a toxic wasteland of tits, dicks and crazies built on a ramshackle game that CTDs with a bad mod load order. It's a terrible guinea pig. The cut Valve takes is unfair to the creator, no matter how little effort they put into the mod, and the value proposition to the consumer is all hosed up because full games can often be purchased for the same price as a campfire mod.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:38
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the panacea posted:Who in their right mind would pay for some mediocre new virtual barbie house in a single player game? This does already describe a lot of typical DLC. Hell, Oblivion horse armor was like the original exemplar of bad DLC.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:38
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All of this could be resolved by just having a donate option. That's it. Instead Valve had to go whole-hog and poo poo out one of the dumbest ideas they've had in a while.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:39
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FutonForensic posted:I can understand the thought process--compensate mod creators to give incentive for higher quality content--but Skyrim is a toxic wasteland of tits, dicks and crazies built on a ramshackle game that CTDs with a bad mod load order. It's a terrible guinea pig. I'm assuming the cut here isn't just Valve; I doubt Bethesda would be cool with this entire thing without getting a piece of the action too, which is probably why the creators slice is so miniscule.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:40
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I was going to say that "female followers are a dime a dozen to find, why would I want to pay $5 for this specific one", until I realized that we could literally get a mod with a dozen followers for a dime. And the mod creator would only see 2.5 cents out of that dime.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:42
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FutonForensic posted:The cut Valve takes is unfair to the creator, no matter how little effort they put into the mod, and the value proposition to the consumer is all hosed up because full games can often be purchased for the same price as a campfire mod. The 75% is actually split between the developer, publisher and Valve. Im betting Bethesda takes 50% at least.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:42
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People will buy the mods, most likely, even with free mods out there. That was what was going down in the Sims community for a long time. I'm not sure if pay sites are as common as they used to be there, but they were all over and it was some huge drama in the community when Pescado put up a bunch of pay site content for free download.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:43
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MrBadidea posted:I'm assuming the cut here isn't just Valve; I doubt Bethesda would be cool with this entire thing without getting a piece of the action too, which is probably why the creators slice is so miniscule.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:43
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Archonex posted:Okay, yeah. This is just a greedy rear end in a top hat move by a company to commercialize something that only works because it's free. Oh, its even better than that. The modder gets 25% AND they only see any cash once their cut hits $100. workshop payment faq posted:Q. Is there a minimum revenue I must earn before I can receive a payment? They're not seeing a dime til their mod earns $400, anything shy of that valve/bethesda is going to keep anyway. http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/workshoppaymentinfofaq/ AzureSkye fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 19:45
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Simsmagic posted:I was going to say that "female followers are a dime a dozen to find, why would I want to pay $5 for this specific one", until I realized that we could literally get a mod with a dozen followers for a dime. That looks strikingly like Uthgerd with different hair.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:46
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AzureSkye posted:Oh, its even better than that. The modder gets %25 AND they only see any cash once their cut hits $100. I feel like they deliberately set this up to crash and burn as some kind of warning, or Bethesda hates the Skyrim modding community so much it wants to destroy it.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:47
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Crash74 posted:http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/about/?appid=72850 That's actually not Valve. The modders % cut is decided by the Publisher, which means that every workshop can have a different cut! Also the Publisher can decide to change the prices of any mod at any time, and can also force mods to be free if they want(presumably to keep Arthmoor from making the Unofficial Patches only available with money). The Publisher is also who creates mod bundles, they can bundle whichever mods they want, charge whatever they want for them, and are the ones who get to decide how the modders cut is distributed. On the plus side, they removed the filesize restrictions for the Skyrim Workshop stealthily apparently. Zeron fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 19:48
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What if this is all a ploy by Bethesda/Valve to kill off the Skyrim modding scene before they release their joint-effort "Quality of Life DLC Pack" which is just an assload of mods ramshackled together?  And then they'll move on to kill most modding scenes before doing the same thing.Honestly, I'd be okay with that.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:49
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AzureSkye posted:Oh, its even better than that. The modder gets %25 AND they only see any cash once their cut hits $100. I give 5:1 odds that smaller mods start getting DMCA notices once they've earned $395.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:52
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Kavak posted:I feel like they deliberately set this up to crash and burn as some kind of warning, or Bethesda hates the Skyrim modding community so much it wants to destroy it. How about both?
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Apr 23, 2015 19:57
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Keeshhound posted:I give 5:1 odds that smaller mods start getting DMCA notices once they've earned $395. the whole reason why they're getting a 25% cut is because the publisher and developer are also getting in that pot. the reasons why people will get a DMCA is if they use something that they don't own as part of their mods such as Macho Man Randy Savage's audio
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Apr 23, 2015 19:58
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Maybe I'll just keep sticking to New Vegas from now on.
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Apr 23, 2015 19:58
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Apparently the mod author can also set a percentage of Valve's cut to go towards the SkyUI guys, Blender, Nexus, or some modding sites I've never heard of(AFK Mods and Polycount).
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Apr 23, 2015 20:02
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Zeron posted:Apparently the mod author can also set a percentage of Valve's cut to go towards the SkyUI guys, Blender, Nexus, or some modding sites I've never heard of(AFK Mods and Polycount). It would be cool if modders could choose have their own cut go to a charity of their choice.
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Apr 23, 2015 20:07
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Holy poo poo they are deleting posts quick on the steam forums.
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Apr 23, 2015 20:13
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AzureSkye posted:Oh, its even better than that. The modder gets 25% AND they only see any cash once their cut hits $100. Jesus, I just skimmed that article and thought that Valve was the one taking 25%, which seemed reasonable. That is just on an entirely different level hosed up. 
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Apr 23, 2015 20:17
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Crash74 posted:Holy poo poo they are deleting posts quick on the steam forums. Gaben uber alles
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Apr 23, 2015 20:19
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Kavak posted:or Bethesda hates the Skyrim modding community so much it wants to destroy it. Wouldn't you?
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Apr 23, 2015 20:20
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Eagerly tuning in, this is going to be fuckin' great. Well it already is, but you know what I mean.
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Apr 23, 2015 20:30
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Apr 23, 2015 20:35
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OneDeadman posted:the whole reason why they're getting a 25% cut is because the publisher and developer are also getting in that pot. I was referencing accusations that have been leveled against Google doing something similar, but in regards to youtube advertising.
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Apr 23, 2015 20:39
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CJacobs posted:That's pretty much what Valve does and has done for years with regards to importing community content into Steam (market sales, trading cards etc), but people give them a pass every single time because they're stupid Or they don't destroy the livelyhood of game developers like EA and Activision did.
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Apr 23, 2015 20:41
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gyrobot posted:Or they don't destroy the livelyhood of game developers like EA and Activision did. Valve doesn't publish the games, they just host them.
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Apr 23, 2015 20:44
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CJacobs posted:That's pretty much what Valve does and has done for years with regards to importing community content into Steam (market sales, trading cards etc), but people give them a pass every single time because they're stupid i love that you are like honestly and genuinely outraged by this loving hilarious thing, because you are a goon child
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Apr 23, 2015 20:47
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I think his last sentence basically states that it's hilarious and that only people emotionally invested in this give an actual poo poo. Not that he's mad.
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Apr 23, 2015 20:49
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Alouicious posted:i love that you are like honestly and genuinely outraged by this loving hilarious thing, because you are a goon child Please stop following me around and accusing me of being mad at things you loser weirdo
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Red Mundus posted:I think his last sentence basically states that it's hilarious and that only people emotionally invested in this give an actual poo poo. Not that he's mad. No don't you get it he said Valve is "greedy" that must mean he is seething with childish goon rage goons goony goon
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