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stupid peace of poo poo 66 37.93%
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WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
This is the first I've heard of the Herald having writing standards.

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Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...
It's hard to have writing standards when everything you publish is pulled from Twitter and Facebook.

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012


"the usual rag posted:

"That's been one of my strengths that I'm pretty casual and laid back and good for a laugh a lot of times, but that's also led to a situation where I've been too casual - having too much fun if you like in a situation, playing along a little bit and that's been very silly on my part."

He's very sorry, and if we would all be perfectly reasonable NZers who forgive and forget those couple of times when he was accidentally creepy which he's sure was just a misunderstanding of a perfectly normal guy, we could all get back to catching up over a Beer by the Barbie after a hard day stopping all them other hippie jokers from ruining the country, eh?

Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

He's not actually sorry though. He just "regrets his actions" without actually saying anything along the lines of an apology or even acknowledging that his actions were completely inappropriate.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
"Regret my/his actions" is basically short-term for 'Ah, gently caress, lucky that's the only thing they caught me doing.'

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



My only fault is that I had too much fun tugging that woman's ponytail.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I like how greatly the person who made that animation over-estimated the size and quality of the café in question so badly.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
I like how they nailed JK's facial expressions

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



I liked seeing a caricature of him that didn't inexplicably* have a big hooked nose.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
This is doing the rounds on Twitter:

quote:

Sure, Mick didn't know about my other job, writing for this paper. If he had, chances are my four nights would have been barely four minutes. But the subterfuge was necessary to meet the real man, to find out what a famous rock star is really like.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11361152

Pararoid
Dec 6, 2005

Te Waipounamu pride
https://soundcloud.com/radiohauraki/jeremy-wells-like-mike-hosking-rant-april-24-2015

:love: Jeremy Wells :love:

Edit: Kaikoura just got hit by a substantial quake, it felt pretty loving scarey down here and I haven't seen any info coming from the area yet.

http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2015p305812

Pararoid fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Apr 24, 2015

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



That was dangerous to listen to at work.
Also Aaron Smith's dick needed to be tweeted because everyone had already seen it. ~journalism~

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

Was a pretty good jolt down in Greymouth.
Kept rumbling for a long time as well.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/kiwi-is-fighter-calls-for-attacks-on-anzac-day-2015042418#axzz3YCpgLUE4

this seems like a loving insane thing to broadcast???

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



It's pretty insane. Like if IS is a virus then 3News was just a carrier.


Then again, Key using this threat to emphasise how right he was to crack down on the imminent IS threat with actions such as cancelling passports is also somewhat insane since the opposition to those measures was that they would make New Zealand a target and the video is apparently directed at people affected by things like passport seizures. It's a self-fulfilled prophecy and he thinks it's a political win for him.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Exclamation Marx posted:

this seems like a loving insane thing to broadcast???

Quick! Let's cut away from our studio in New Zealand to Patrick Gower in Turkey so that Gower can talk about a story that takes place almost completely in New Zealand! Also, let's replay a video with only a few hits that Youtube took down, just to make sure that everyone who hadn't seen it can! It's got a fat neckbeard in it delivering an extremely laid-back call to arms! poo poo! NOW THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE SEEN IT! Key! Do you have a comment about this? "Yeah, don't worry about it, I'm a strong and competent leader and because of that nothing is gonna go wrong." Phew! Thank gently caress that we have such a strong and competent leader who cares about everyone in New Zealand. How about the fat neckbeard? Oh, he's a pathetic loner with no friends who probably doesn't even know how to use a knife? Thank gently caress that our enemies are so weak and pathetic.

I thought that the next time we saw Key in the media would be Key looking somber at a Gallipoli ceremony. Turns out, the next time we saw him, he was telling us we were all safe from the friends of the fat neckbeard with no friends, because they are all being monitored by the authorities. Well, at least that surveillance state that Key spent all this time putting together got loving built, and look, now it's paying dividends! We're all safe! Hooray!

Key must be loving scared of this sexual harassment thing if he's gonna pull out the 'why do you care about this when there are terrorists' deflection.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
I hope a female ISIS fighter puts a tug-activated bomb in her hair.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Somfin posted:

I thought that the next time we saw Key in the media would be Key looking somber at a Gallipoli ceremony. Turns out, the next time we saw him, he was telling us we were all safe from the friends of the fat neckbeard with no friends, because they are all being monitored by the authorities. Well, at least that surveillance state that Key spent all this time putting together got loving built, and look, now it's paying dividends! We're all safe! Hooray!

I didn't know Key invented the GCSB. You learn something new every day.

Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Butt Wizard posted:

I didn't know Key invented the GCSB. You learn something new every day.

Maybe tomorrow you could focus on learning about metaphors.

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Butt Wizard posted:

I didn't know Key invented the GCSB. You learn something new every day.

Literally the minister responsible for them when they acted illegally, head of the cabinet that wildly increased their abilities. You're just as reactionary as the people you try to call out.

dusty
Nov 30, 2004

Infotainment! posted:

Literally the minister responsible for them when they acted illegally, head of the cabinet that wildly increased their abilities.

This is literally why Helen Clark was such a poo poo Prime Minister. The Labour luvvies who still talk of her with their hearts in their throats make me wanna spew.

Little at least seems the closest yet to match her political competence, but I suspect he might be as politically gutless as she was.

Wandle Cax
Dec 15, 2006

dusty posted:

This is literally why Helen Clark was such a poo poo Prime Minister. The Labour luvvies who still talk of her with their hearts in their throats make me wanna spew.

Little at least seems the closest yet to match her political competence, but I suspect he might be as politically gutless as she was.

"luvvie" means a theatre actor, not sure if that's what you're going for with that word usage?

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
For all the world is a stage, and we are all but mere autists upon it.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Wandle Cax posted:

"luvvie" means a theatre actor, not sure if that's what you're going for with that word usage?
I don't think John Key's oversight (or lack) of the GCSB as minister is why Helen Clark was a terrible Prime Minister either, but there it is.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Infotainment! posted:

Literally the minister responsible for them when they acted illegally, head of the cabinet that wildly increased their abilities. You're just as reactionary as the people you try to call out.

Anyone not typing out rants with Bradbury-levels of spittle on their keyboards is being a reactionary? Helen Clark was also literally the minister responsible for intelligence services when the Urewera raids went down. But sure, this "surveillance state" is 100% Key's doing.

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Butt Wizard posted:

Anyone not typing out rants with Bradbury-levels of spittle on their keyboards is being a reactionary? Helen Clark was also literally the minister responsible for intelligence services when the Urewera raids went down. But sure, this "surveillance state" is 100% Key's doing.

Rad strawman bro

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Infotainment! posted:

Rad strawman bro

I'm not intentionally straw-manning anything. I'm trying to respond to this point.

Somfin posted:

Well, at least that surveillance state that Key spent all this time putting together got loving built, and look, now it's paying dividends! We're all safe! Hooray!

If you're going to use loaded phrases like 'surveillance state' then it seems wise to accept that there was a huge deal of unethical surveillance poo poo going on before Key got anywhere near the ninth floor.

For the record:

Infotainment! posted:

Literally the minister responsible for them when they acted illegally, head of the cabinet that wildly increased their abilities. You're just as reactionary as the people you try to call out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Communications_Security_Bureau#Kitteridge_report

quote:

It contradicted GCSB head Ian Fletcher's comments that the bureau had not unlawfully spied on anyone other than Dotcom showing that the GCSB may have unlawfully spied on up to 85 people between April 2003 and September 2012.

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
"Unlawfully". It's now lawful. That kinda sounds like "setting up a surveillance state", doesn't it? Condoning and legalising surveillance on nz citizens was not something any previous minister had done m8.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Infotainment! posted:

"Unlawfully". It's now lawful. That kinda sounds like "setting up a surveillance state", doesn't it? Condoning and legalising surveillance on nz citizens was not something any previous minister had done m8.

Legalising it, yes. But to go back to the actual point in your post:

quote:

Literally the minister responsible for them when they acted illegally,

Helen Clark was also the minister in charge of them when they were doing this too. m8. Unlawfully.

But of course, 'the surveillance state' is only when they can legally do something and is totally doesn't include them doing it even when it isn't illegal? My bad.

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Butt Wizard posted:

Legalising it, yes. But to go back to the actual point in your post:


Helen Clark was also the minister in charge of them when they were doing this too. m8. Unlawfully.

But of course, 'the surveillance state' is only when they can legally do something and is totally doesn't include them doing it even when it isn't illegal? My bad.

Oh yes, because you have evidence or even allegations of previous prime ministers being aware of the gcsb acting unlawfully, condoning and supporting them such as_____________________ and ____________________

Lancelot
May 23, 2006

Fun Shoe
this is a really boring argument. can we just agree than aunty helen and everyone's mate john key were both populist neoliberal opportunists and move on?

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Why're you nerds up so late? Dawn service is 5:30, get some bloody sleep.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

WarpedNaba posted:

Why're you nerds up so late? Dawn service is 5:30, get some bloody sleep.

Those dead 18 year olds are still gonna be dead if I wake up at 10

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

There's evidence that John Key at least expanded the GCSB and either knowingly allowed them to intercept NZ citizens' data or was completely ineffective and careless in his oversight of the GCSB, but (speculatively) we probably started intelligence sharing with the US on the level that we do now under Helen Clarke, and possibly that's when the data interception started. NZ's relationship with the US turned around under her government at least, largely because Winston Peters and Condoleezza Rice became besties.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Infotainment! posted:

Oh yes, because you have evidence or even allegations of previous prime ministers being aware of the gcsb acting unlawfully, condoning and supporting them such as_____________________ and ____________________

Please, keep insisting that having a spy agency acting illegally without the knowledge of its minister is somehow an ethically preferable situation to one where a minister legalises the activity in question.

Although if I wanted to apply your level of scrutiny of Key (and let's remember you already got the bit about this all being on him for being charge when they were acting illegally thing wrong) to Clark then you could make the argument she either must have known or was incompetent. And that's where that pesky raid on the Urewera thing becomes a bit of a problem, because Clark doesn't have the best track record in that national-security-interests-as-a justification-for-lovely-things department.

I'm inclined to believe that they were operating as a law unto themselves and neither PM really gave it the attention it deserved, which is how poo poo got so out of hand; i.e. they were both poo poo at their jobs.

Lancelot posted:

this is a really boring argument. can we just agree than aunty helen and everyone's mate john key were both populist neoliberal opportunists and move on?

I can agree with this. I've edited out the shitheaded thing at the end of my last paragraph in the interest of a) not being a shithead and b) moving on.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


The Urewera raids and the KDC affair aren't comparable other than "illegal" and "surveillance" being relevant words.

For Urewera the police over-reacted and over-reached to genuinely dubious behaviour out of fear for public safety. John Key ignored the law in order to suck up to the Americans over a copyright issue.

dusty
Nov 30, 2004

Wandle Cax posted:

"luvvie" means a theatre actor, not sure if that's what you're going for with that word usage?


https://lmgtfy.com/?q=labour+luvvie

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exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

look at that, Rachel Glucina

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