Tuxedo Catfish posted:That's the same thing the movie's saying. I mean, if you had opened with "I don't like the petty and condescending, yet entirely coherent way the movie makes it point" we wouldn't even need to argue! You and I seem to be operating on a totally different definition of the term "twist ending"
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:Caught Four Flies on Grey Velvet at local theatre. It was...different from what I expected. Turns out my parents watched a lot of giallo type movies when I was a kid, so this was all very familiar. It's more likely that your parents watched a lot of Tinto Brass movies when you were a kid. They're not entirely tonally dissimilar, although generally speaking fewer people get stabbed in a Tinto Brass pic.
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Apr 23, 2015 15:14
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Lurdiak posted:You and I seem to be operating on a totally different definition of the term "twist ending" Possibly, yeah. You're the one who set up "undermines the entire movie" as a working definition, though. I'm just saying that it doesn't, not that it isn't surprising, or a sudden turn of events, or even that it's not a crappy ending for other reasons. It's more like it rubs your face in the rest of the movie.
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Apr 23, 2015 15:25
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I think it undermines the movie in the sense that it shows that "actually the problem is totally under control and this isn't a new era for humanity that disassembles existing societal structures" It's like if Night of the Living Dead ended with the zombies getting better and wandering off.
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Apr 23, 2015 15:31
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Possibly, yeah. You're the one who set up "undermines the entire movie" as a working definition, though. I'm just saying that it doesn't, not that it isn't surprising, or a sudden turn of events, or even that it's not a crappy ending for other reasons. It's more like it rubs your face in the rest of the movie. Yeah the end of The Mist doesn't undermine anything, it just reinforces that the passiveness of the characters lead down roads in which they seal their own fate. They're largely standing by for most of the movie, while Carmody and her followers run roughshod around them. The movie makes the very specific point that the woman who is proactive and above all, hopeful, survives and finds her kids. It's why they have that whole conversation before she goes outside into what everyone thinks is certain death.
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Apr 23, 2015 15:33
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Lurdiak posted:I think it undermines the movie in the sense that it shows that "actually the problem is totally under control and this isn't a new era for humanity that disassembles existing societal structures" I didn't really feel that way about it, I don't think there's any reason to believe just because the military is fighting back and may have things somewhat under control that the world isn't changed forever. Gigantic monsters were on the loose and probably killed millions of people, poo poo is still probably hosed for the most part. The "probably" is important though, that's the message of the movie, to never give up hope.
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Apr 23, 2015 15:39
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Lurdiak posted:I think it undermines the movie in the sense that it shows that "actually the problem is totally under control and this isn't a new era for humanity that disassembles existing societal structures" Because the military shows up? I don't think that proves everything is totally under control. The military are the ones who pierced the veil and hosed everything up in the first place, and it's not like the movie is shy about showing what happens to a society under siege and ruled by authoritarians. It just means we aren't all going to get eaten by aliens, maybe, at least not today. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 15:44
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Lurdiak posted:I think it undermines the movie in the sense that it shows that "actually the problem is totally under control and this isn't a new era for humanity that disassembles existing societal structures" This is a funny comparison, because The Mist and Night of the Living Dead both end pretty much the same way: with the military coming in and imposing their own order on the monsters.
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Apr 23, 2015 15:56
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:This is a funny comparison, because The Mist and Night of the Living Dead both end pretty much the same way: with the military coming in and imposing their own order on the monsters. That's not accidental.
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Apr 23, 2015 15:58
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Lurdiak posted:That's not accidental. which part?
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Apr 23, 2015 16:00
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:which part? My choice of example.
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Apr 23, 2015 16:05
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Lurdiak posted:My choice of example. Your intentional choice of example isn't very good, then. It's not as if Night of the Living Dead ended with the zombies getting better and walking away, it's as if Night of the Living Dead ended with the military showing up and quashing the zombie uprising - so, exactly how Night of the Living Dead actually ended.
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Apr 23, 2015 16:08
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I took the ending to mean that the religious lady is right and is actually communicating with God. It's just that God is evil.
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Apr 23, 2015 18:59
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Maybe I'm an idiot but I didn't see the end of The Mist as a twist at all Edit: Four Flies has a pretty cool twist though Tolkien minority fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Apr 23, 2015 |
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Apr 23, 2015 19:05
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Another key difference between the story and film that is less frequently discussed is that, in the story, the main character isn't able to make it home to his wife. The road is blocked and he has to turn around. As a whole, the original is much more bleak. It presents the unknown as beyond the scope of human action to affect, and leaves the reader with only the hope that there is something worth holding on for to be found within it. The changes made in the film allow more scope for human agency within this. I like to think that the film is aware of Half-Life as part of the subtext of the story.
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Apr 23, 2015 20:27
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If I remember correctly Stephen King said he loved the changed ending of The Mist and wished he thought of it. I do agree it should have spent a couple minutes to show despair and a passage of time, however.
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Apr 23, 2015 21:32
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NarkyBark posted:If I remember correctly Stephen King said he loved the changed ending of The Mist and wished he thought of it. This is the same guy who hated Kubrick's version of the Shining. 
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Apr 23, 2015 21:40
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Lurdiak posted:This is the same guy who hated Kubrick's version of the Shining. i've mentioned it before, but this is something that's been blown way out of proportion. In Danse Macabre, King lists the Shining as one of the greatest horror movies ever made
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Apr 23, 2015 21:41
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NarkyBark posted:If I remember correctly Stephen King said he loved the changed ending of The Mist and wished he thought of it. Yeah the fact that it happens literally immediately after kills it for me. And yeah, King loving loves the film of The Shining, he just doesn't think it resembles his book very much.
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Apr 23, 2015 21:43
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Yeah the fact that it happens literally immediately after kills it for me. It's also worth noting that, like most of the cast, he had a nightmare of a time during the making of, what with Kubrick constantly calling him at 3 am to ask him poo poo like whether he believed in God
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Apr 23, 2015 21:47
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:It's also worth noting that, like most of the cast, he had a nightmare of a time during the making of, what with Kubrick constantly calling him at 3 am to ask him poo poo like whether he believed in God And then telling him he was wrong. I always trot out the Danse Macabre argument as well. But King has difficulties with it because The Shining is so much about him and his addiction issues. It's an extremely personal book. He still rates it as a horror film, just not an adaptation, and you can certainly see his point.
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Apr 23, 2015 22:07
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Gunna get shitfaced and stay up all night/until I pass out watching horror movies. Any recommendations for movies to watch in that state?
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Apr 24, 2015 00:28
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976-Evil, C.H.U.D., Decoys, Wishmaster 3 & 4, Killer Pad, Rot, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, Maniac (1934), The Werewolf of Washington.
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Apr 24, 2015 00:49
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Darthemed posted:Decoys I've seen this movie, although I don't remember anything about it. Is it some kind of cult classic?
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Apr 24, 2015 00:54
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I feel like the Mist ending was some nailed-on "truth is in the middle" nonsense. Like someone really needed a scene to show having faith in a good light. It's a huge break from the book, so I assume it was added in for some dumb reason.
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Kramjacks posted:I've seen this movie, although I don't remember anything about it. Is it some kind of cult classic?
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moths posted:I feel like the Mist ending was some nailed-on "truth is in the middle" nonsense. Like someone really needed a scene to show having faith in a good light. It's a complete tonal whiplash from the rest of the film. It also challenges the reality of the rest of the movie- like, that lady who left early to find her kids? Something had to happen between her leaving the market and being picked up by the military. Either she somehow survived in the mist while most people who go more than a few steps in it get horribly mutilated and killed or the military picked her up the very instant she was out of sight of the market and somehow the fact that not a hundred yards away was a store full of people who needed rescue never came up. Her survival is nonsensical given literally everything else we ever see in the film.
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Pope Guilty posted:It's a complete tonal whiplash from the rest of the film. Why is it less believable for her to survive for awhile in the mist than it is for the protagonist? She's just him, except she made a break from the store in time to save her family (or maybe they just weren't in visual distance of ground zero like the protagonist's wife was).
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Apr 24, 2015 02:00
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Hodgepodge posted:Why is it less believable for her to survive for awhile in the mist than it is for the protagonist? She's just him, except she made a break from the store in time to save her family (or maybe they just weren't in visual distance of ground zero like the protagonist's wife was). It seems like if you can get to a vehicle and get moving in it your odds go up substantially. The horrific cost of getting to the vehicle for the protagonist and his group is something she seems to have been exempted from.
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Pope Guilty posted:It also challenges the reality of the rest of the movie- like, that lady who left early to find her kids? Something had to happen between her leaving the market and being picked up by the military. Either she somehow survived in the mist while most people who go more than a few steps in it get horribly mutilated and killed or the military picked her up the very instant she was out of sight of the market and somehow the fact that not a hundred yards away was a store full of people who needed rescue never came up. Her survival is nonsensical given literally everything else we ever see in the film. That or they asked her if anyone was still in there and told them no because they let her go out alone to die. Basebf555 posted:This is correct. Its not about faith, its about hope. The religious leader doesn't have any hope that things will get better, she is convinced this is the end of the world. Yepo.
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Apr 24, 2015 02:09
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That lady was loving Carol, of course she's gonna survive.
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Apr 24, 2015 02:09
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Pope Guilty posted:It's a complete tonal whiplash from the rest of the film. For 99% of the movie the audience has no idea what the true reality outside the store really is. The first half is of course crafted to make you feel like taking one step outside is instant death, that's part of what makes the movie scary and effective. Later on characters are able to venture further out, but some of them die because poo poo happens and they aren't as lucky as the protagonists. Its a movie.
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This probably won't be very good, but this is like a perfect check list of all my favorite Alien stuff. Conspiracy, underground bases, aliens in cages, and interesting looking abduction scenes. I read the script a while ago and really dug some of the stuff in there. It's ultimately really dumb and implausible, but hey. Oren Peli's Area 51. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X49JI1TG5EI&t=62s
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Apr 24, 2015 02:17
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Wasn't that movie supposed to come out like 5 years ago
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Apr 24, 2015 02:45
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It's been in production since 2009 I believe.
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Apr 24, 2015 03:01
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wyoming posted:It wasn't a twist ending, the crazy religious lady was right. Yup.
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Apr 24, 2015 03:14
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There's a trailer for The Visit out. It looks like some of it is from the perspective of a diegetic camera, found footage style, some of it from a first-person perspective, and some from a "normal" camera view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfQnRjkuvaY Edit: or it's all found footage? Its hard to tell. Kramjacks fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Apr 24, 2015 03:39
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It looks like M.Night has finally found his calling, which is apparently way off-beat comedy. This looks like it'll be a lot of fun.
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Apr 24, 2015 04:18
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AHAHAHA I thought he stopped putting his name on stuff. Must be sticking his toes back in the water? Kramjacks posted:There's a trailer for The Visit out. It looks like some of it is from the perspective of a diegetic camera, found footage style, some of it from a first-person perspective, and some from a "normal" camera view.
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I really hope this is good http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/04/23/bruce-campbell-on-ash-vs-evil-dead-its-going-to-be-a-much-bigger-story
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