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Kajeesus posted:Ted Rall makes poo poo cartoons about drones because that's the only kind of cartoon he's able to produce, but he's absolutely not wrong about drones. Anyone involved with the US drone program in the Middle East should be tried in the Hague, and this thread's attitude on the subject kind of baffles me. Are drones really okay just because Ted Rall is incapable of competently making a point? The Iron Rose once wrote a huge effort post on how drones and our drone policy are actually cool and good, you guys just don't understand the reality of the situation. I think it's mostly just kneejerk Ralliosis with the rest though.
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Spoiler: nobody actually gives a gently caress about the Koch brothers, but people do care about rape being used as a prop to score cheap burns on people entirely unrelated to the subject. Also Bagley is still cool he just made a bad cartoon. I hope this post has been informative.
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I think it's a good cartoon, in that it's shocking, to the point, clear in message, great composition etc. Whether it's too shocking and inappropriate for the importance of its topic is another matter and one which depends on your political feelings. I don't know what Koch bros have done recently that would merit such a harsh and insensitive treatment. But objectively the frat rape cartoon is better than the flag cartoon which is lame both visually and humouristically.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:05
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 Horsey's "A Thing Happened"?  There's AGC in there somewhere but I can't find the right phrase for it.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:15
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I kinda like the cartoon. CU being a spiked drink is a pretty good metaphor since it's got that whole "name that implies collective individual people but is actually about corporations and incredibly rich fucks" thing going on.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:16
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Nenonen posted:I think it's a good cartoon, in that it's shocking, to the point, clear in message, great composition etc. Whether it's too shocking and inappropriate for the importance of its topic is another matter and one which depends on your political feelings. I don't know what Koch bros have done recently that would merit such a harsh and insensitive treatment. But objectively the frat rape cartoon is better than the flag cartoon which is lame both visually and humouristically. Isn't Scott Walker gearing up for a presidential race? He's their creature so that might be what's bring them up in Bagley's mind.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:19
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Rorus Raz posted:Spoiler: nobody actually gives a gently caress about the Koch brothers, but people do care about rape being used as a prop to score cheap burns on people entirely unrelated to the subject. That cartoon posted earlier with the dad scorning the Rolling Stone story was better in this regard; his daughter wasn't meant to represent anything other than the victims of sexual assault.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:20
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GIven the Koch Bros'  libertarian views why would you trust any food or drug product they offer at their frat parties?
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Apr 24, 2015 21:23
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TheDarkFlame posted:Is that even close to being a thing that has been said? I guess I know the answer already (Clinton never said "bibmo"), but it's worth asking in case Skelley isn't just making up whole-cloth reasons to complain about someone. Sure. Rand Paul has been doing that a lot recently.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:29
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Kegluneq posted:Rape as metaphor is just not a great idea in any way. This. Goddamn that Rolling Stone cartoon hit hard. I randomly thought about it today and it made me sad.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:29
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Apr 24, 2015 21:36
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Mallard Fillmore: Year One (August 1-6, 1994) To anyone old enough to remember 1994, was it really hard to find conservative journalists on TV back then?
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Apr 24, 2015 21:57
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Samurai Sanders posted:It's true, this apology was almost as infuriating for me to listen to as his legalistic arguments years ago about the drone strike program in general. I really, really don't want to hear about how blowing people up is ok because they've extensively investigated the laws on the subject. beepsandboops posted:New Sutton: 
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Mister Beeg posted:Mallard Fillmore: Year One (August 1-6, 1994) "Old enough to remember 1994?" I was in college in 1994...  But no it wasn't hard at all. The "both sides must be represented even if one is batshit insane" was in pretty full swing even before then. Fear of being tarred as "liberal media" started becoming a thing around the 1988 elections if my memory serves me correctly. That was around the time "liberal" became an epithet too I think.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:08
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Genpei Turtle posted:"Old enough to remember 1994?" I was in college in 1994... Get off the Internet, old man!
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Apr 24, 2015 22:10
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Genpei Turtle posted:"Old enough to remember 1994?" I was in college in 1994... Holy poo poo, you have a high-pitched voice for someone in their 40's.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:13
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Mister Beeg posted:To anyone old enough to remember 1994, was it really hard to find conservative journalists on TV back then?
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Apr 24, 2015 22:21
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Small Frozen Thing posted:You've spent too long in this thread if you think that's a bad cartoon. I feel weirdly flattered.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:22
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Holy poo poo, you have a high-pitched voice for someone in their 40's. Uh...what? My voice is nasal but not particularly high pitched, at least not any more. Are you confusing me with someone else?
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Apr 24, 2015 22:31
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Jesus Christ, Rush Limbaugh signed a contract in 2008 that pays him $400 million through 2016. Glad to know drinky duck looks up to him.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:32
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Sorry, you did the Metal Wolf Chaos LP, right? I hope I'm not confusing you for someone else.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:32
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Sorry, you did the Metal Wolf Chaos LP, right? I hope I'm not confusing you for someone else. That was 8 years ago. I was in my early 30s then.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:33
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Your voice broke in your mid 30s?
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Apr 24, 2015 22:39
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Rorus Raz posted:Spoiler: nobody actually gives a gently caress about the Koch brothers, but people do care about rape being used as a prop to score cheap burns on people entirely unrelated to the subject. "Nobody cares about Koch brothers" lol Please stop using strong metaphors in satire, think about the feelings of mothers when you write about eating irish babies, pls, also respect my pronouns.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:51
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Come now, you have to admit that it's kinda tasteless. As someone else said, if it was a conservative drawing Obama date-raping Liberty you'd be incensed.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:54
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I would be mildly amused by the absurdity of the metaphor, as I was when cartoonists actually used that metaphor. Cartoons depicting murder don't even raise an eyebrow, I don't see why this should be different.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:58
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Well one side is full of lies and the other is the truth so they are different
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Apr 24, 2015 22:58
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How often does murder crop up in political cartoons? Legitimate question. Also, rape is seen as more serious and more sensitive than murder, this shouldn't be news to you.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:02
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steinrokkan posted:"Nobody cares about Koch brothers" People give a gently caress about money in politics. The Koch Brothers are merely a particularly visible pustule on that mass of horror. Also, 'lady liberty being raped by modern bad guy du jour' is not a loving strong metaphor, it's a weak cliche. Finally, go gently caress yourself if you think that everyone who disagrees with your taste in rape-based humour is trans*. steinrokkan posted:I would be mildly amused by the absurdity of the metaphor, as I was when cartoonists actually used that metaphor. Cartoons depicting murder don't even raise an eyebrow, I don't see why this should be different. You will never be able to make a murder victim re-live the worst moments of their lives with a casual joke.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:03
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Somfin posted:Finally, go gently caress yourself if you think that everyone who disagrees with your taste in rape-based humour is trans*. what Somfin posted:You will never be able to make a murder victim re-live the worst moments of their lives with a casual joke. Victims of various violent crimes don't have loved ones, good to know.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:03
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A "respect my pronouns" joke straight out of loving nowhere from a dude confusing edge with satire, what a loving shocker.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:07
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Jay Rust posted:How often does murder crop up in political cartoons? Legitimate question. Murder comes up, strangely enough, when discussing actual murders that happened. Murder in forms that happen every day doesn't generally get used for discussion of things other than those particular murders. Using murder as a clumsy allegory for things that aren't actually murder tends toward cartoonish extremes, like say eating infants for nourishment.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:10
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He is Eastern European, it's not like having regressive attitudes towards sexual minorities is exactly a shocker.
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Someone said "Do people really care about the Koch brothers' feelings?" to which I said no, but whatever misrepresentation helps your weird crusade.
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Rorus Raz posted:Someone said "Do people really care about the Koch brothers' feelings?" to which I said no, but whatever misrepresentation helps your weird crusade. Yeah, it's people give a gently caress, but in the gently caress those guys sense not the poor ickle Koch feelings sense, right?
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Apr 24, 2015 23:15
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steinrokkan posted:Victims of various violent crimes don't have loved ones, good to know. You will never tell a joke involving murder to the direct victim of murder.
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Fried Chicken posted:Phi Lambda Male Jedit posted:Is there something special about Phi Lambda that I'm missing? I would have used Sigma Alpha Male. God dammit, it was supposed to be "phi alpha male."  I knew I would screw that up, and I got it wrong even after researching/double-checking the letters! (I assumed incorrectly that Greek-Alpha wouldn't look identical to English-A, and that mixed me up). It's a mistake, and I'm gonna have to fix it digitally, which I hate doing. At least the shape of each character is similar enough that it'll be fairly easy to alter.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:He is Eastern European, it's not like having regressive attitudes towards sexual minorities is exactly a shocker. Racism is progressive, on the other hand. That pronouns joke had nothing to do with trans people or whatever, it was a jab towards tumblr-likes, the alternative didn't even cross my mind, mr. racist shithead. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Small Frozen Thing posted:He is Eastern European, it's not like having regressive attitudes towards sexual minorities is exactly a shocker. Where the hell is this sudden racism coming from? wtf
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