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xthetenth posted:Murder comes up, strangely enough, when discussing actual murders that happened. Murder in forms that happen every day doesn't generally get used for discussion of things other than those particular murders. Using murder as a clumsy allegory for things that aren't actually murder tends toward cartoonish extremes, like say eating infants for nourishment. So it's literally the same as this Bagley cartoon in all ways.
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xthetenth posted:Yeah, it's people give a gently caress, but in the gently caress those guys sense not the poor ickle Koch feelings sense, right? And believe it or not, people have given cartoonists heat in this thread for using unrelated murders like Martin or Brown as metaphors for whatever pet issue they have.
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steinrokkan posted:So it's literally the same as this Bagley cartoon in all ways. Except, again, you can't end up making a murder joke that a victim of murder can hear. You can offend their families, but you can't actually reach the victims. Given the incidence of rape in the world, it is quite likely that rape jokes will reach actual rape victims.
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steinrokkan posted:Racism is progressive, on the other hand. You're right, it was wrong of me to group all Eastern Europeans in with you.
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Sweet own on the tumblr kiddies as a tag to a post it otherwise had nothing to do with, glad you're still holding firm in the internet culture wars.
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steinrokkan posted:Racism is progressive, on the other hand. You realize that tumblr stuff comes directly from respecting trans people's pronouns right?
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steinrokkan posted:That pronouns joke had nothing to do with trans people or whatever, it was a jab towards tumblr-likes, the alternative didn't even cross my mind, mr. racist shithead. Being dismissive of people's actual issues, in favour of straw versions of those issues, while arguing that rape jokes are just fine? Huh.
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Also, transphobic people use the same pronouns jokes, so maybe get new material for those sick burns on people nobody in this thread cares about.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:You're right, it was wrong of me to group all Eastern Europeans in with you. Whoa, ice burn. Somfin posted:Except, again, you can't end up making a murder joke that a victim of murder can hear. You can offend their families, but you can't actually reach the victims. How are you going to quantify the aggregate level of distress caused by a joke? I've been personally affected by a murder in my family, so that's my trigger. Why is it fair to expect me to make concessions that certain distressing jokes are better than others?
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I like this devil despite not being a particularly novel depiction of Satan.
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steinrokkan posted:Whoa, ice burn. You should do it because it's nice. If you asked someone not to make murder jokes around you, it would be nice of them to listen. Nobody is going to put you in jail for doing it, but they will think you are a butthole and might tell you as much.
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steinrokkan posted:For somebody posting in a political cartoons thread of SA you have loving thin skin.
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Rorus Raz posted:drat, down to that already? You're not hardcore enough to handle political cartoons.
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steinrokkan posted:So it's literally the same as this Bagley cartoon in all ways. Are you saying eating infants is a thing that happens commonly across the world?
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The cartoon has a coherent message and it's delivered in an effective way. I would respect someone's wishes if they told me not to make references to something to their face, but I don't think it's reasonable to insist that everyone self-censor and pull punches when publishing stuff in general. We don't put trigger warnings on our posts here, afterall.
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Lemming posted:You should do it because it's nice. If you asked someone not to make murder jokes around you, it would be nice of them to listen. Nobody is going to put you in jail for doing it, but they will think you are a butthole and might tell you as much. How is that relevant to that Bagley cartoon.
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xthetenth posted:Are you saying eating infants is a thing that happens commonly across the world? At points in history, in some regions, it was.
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Rorus Raz posted:drat, down to that already? Yes, because it's true and kind of laughable. The idea that mass media can be sensitive is divorced from reality.
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steinrokkan posted:How is that relevant to that Bagley cartoon. A lot of people have been raped so putting out a cartoon like that to a wide audience is pretty insensitive.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The cartoon has a coherent message and it's delivered in an effective way. I would respect someone's wishes if they told me not to make references to something to their face, but I don't think it's reasonable to insist that everyone self-censor and pull punches when publishing stuff in general. We don't put trigger warnings on our posts here, afterall. This is the reasonable grown-up approach. Don't be a cuntwaffle to people who ask you to not reference something in front of them, but there is no obligation for society as a whole to self-censor and police for Rightthought just on the chance that someone is 'triggered' by what you write. And honestly, if just seeing something randomly pass by you is enough to cause you real harm, then you need serious help, not for everyone to hide anything that makes you feel sad.
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Ohhhhkay, I'm just gonna post another week of Mallard Mallard Fillmore: Year One (August 8-13, 1994)      
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Sinestro posted:This is the reasonable grown-up approach. Don't be a cuntwaffle to people who ask you to not reference something in front of them, but there is no obligation for society as a whole to self-censor and police for Rightthought just on the chance that someone is 'triggered' by what you write. And honestly, if just seeing something randomly pass by you is enough to cause you real harm, then you need serious help, not for everyone to hide anything that makes you feel sad. No. It's a cheap shock metaphor, Bagley can do better, and this is a loving stupid hill to die on.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The cartoon has a coherent message and it's delivered in an effective way. I would respect someone's wishes if they told me not to make references to something to their face, but I don't think it's reasonable to insist that everyone self-censor and pull punches when publishing stuff in general. We don't put trigger warnings on our posts here, afterall.
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Sinestro posted:This is the reasonable grown-up approach. Don't be a cuntwaffle to people who ask you to not reference something in front of them, but there is no obligation for society as a whole to self-censor and police for Rightthought just on the chance that someone is 'triggered' by what you write. And honestly, if just seeing something randomly pass by you is enough to cause you real harm, then you need serious help, not for everyone to hide anything that makes you feel sad. Nobody said there was any obligation. You're upset that something was being criticized and getting defensive over it. You are the one with the thin skin who has been triggered. I'm sorry you are so offended by people saying "that's a bad thing. My opinion is that you shouldn't do that thing."
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Good to know Fillmore has always just been liberalsLIBERALSLIBERALS!!! That said they do seem to have more effort put into them than the current ones featuring DuckVoid(tm) technology. Edit: Lol Gary McCoy has the brain of a 12, perhaps a 14-year-old. Monkey Fracas fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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steinrokkan posted:At points in history, in some regions, it was. So what major subset of the culture of the country it was published in was it practiced? Tell me more about infanticide and cannibalism in 1700s Britain. Irony Be My Shield posted:The cartoon has a coherent message and it's delivered in an effective way. I would respect someone's wishes if they told me not to make references to something to their face, but I don't think it's reasonable to insist that everyone self-censor and pull punches when publishing stuff in general. We don't put trigger warnings on our posts here, afterall. That is one side, the other is that it adds baggage that isn't really necessary and measurably diminishes how much the cartoon resonates with a bunch of us. The general audience of the cartoon isn't the population of a something awful thread, and different levels of tasteless and different bounds of just a joke apply.
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Lemming posted:Nobody said there was any obligation. You're upset that something was being criticized and getting defensive over it. You are the one with the thin skin who has been triggered. I'm sorry you are so offended by people saying "that's a bad thing. My opinion is that you shouldn't do that thing." By this measure every regular of this thread is a crybaby who has a meltdown every time a Conservative criticizes liberal ideas.
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steinrokkan posted:How are you going to quantify the aggregate level of distress caused by a joke? I've been personally affected by a murder in my family, so that's my trigger. Why is it fair to expect me to make concessions that certain distressing jokes are better than others? Yeah, being sensitive about what you say to victims of crime needs a huge amount of objective justification. Also good job bringing up "that's my trigger" after mocking Tumblr and mocking the idea of pronouns. There is no way you are being genuine about having a trigger. If you were, you would understand why maybe people don't want to see crimes that happened directly to them used as metaphors for why the Koch Brothers are bad. Also why people with actual triggers hate how over-dramatic shitheads have co-opted their terminology. Irony Be My Shield posted:The cartoon has a coherent message and it's delivered in an effective way. I would respect someone's wishes if they told me not to make references to something to their face, but I don't think it's reasonable to insist that everyone self-censor and pull punches when publishing stuff in general. We don't put trigger warnings on our posts here, afterall. I don't think anyone's arguing that it wasn't well made and effective. It was just tasteless and crass, and likely to cause distress to a segment of the population. The only self-censoring that would have happened would be his subconscious going "this is a lovely cliche metaphor about lady liberty being threatened with rape, maybe I could do better." Sinestro posted:Rightthought Ughhhhhh. Goddamn it, did no-one else in here read 1984? There is only 'thoughtcrime.' All thoughts are acceptable except those which are against the will of the Party. The fact that almost all thoughts are against the will of the party is irrelevant. Playing that card on "rape as metaphor detracts from the message of the cartoon" is a little bit loving overblown. steinrokkan posted:By this measure every regular of this thread is a crybaby who has a meltdown every time a Conservative criticizes liberal ideas. You're only just realising that now?
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Somfin posted:Yeah, being sensitive about what you say to victims of crime needs a huge amount of objective justification. I don't want to see certain crimes being thrown casually around either, but it's not going to happen, and in my experience vocalizing these opinions only leads to derision because it's not a popularly approved concern so I just tend to keep my mouth shut.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The cartoon has a coherent message and it's delivered in an effective way. I would respect someone's wishes if they told me not to make references to something to their face, but I don't think it's reasonable to insist that everyone self-censor and pull punches when publishing stuff in general. We don't put trigger warnings on our posts here, afterall. Dude, this is a thread entirely devoted to ragging on political cartoons. The cartoon had a serious problem; people ragged on it. Nobody is forcing Bagley to censor himself. If he wants to keep making cartoons about rape, then I guess he can see what the reaction is. And y'know what, I give him enough credit to believe he probably won't keep making tasteless toons like that. Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Apr 25, 2015 |
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Lemming posted:Nobody said there was any obligation. You're upset that something was being criticized and getting defensive over it. You are the one with the thin skin who has been triggered. I'm sorry you are so offended by people saying "that's a bad thing. My opinion is that you shouldn't do that thing." I started to write a post about how this was a poor argument because why would someone bring something up that they don't like if not to suggest that the thing change, but then I remembered what thread I'm in. 
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The crucified Christian is wearing a clown nose, knowing that even in terrible times you have to look on the bright side. A Monty Python Cartoon.
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