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Tormented posted:
Going to assume you're talking about Epic 1.0s here. EQ Epics were so hit and miss. They ranged from lackluster(Necro, Wizard) to You Need This Or You Are A Scrub(Cleric, Bard). Some classes wouldn't even get groups if you didn't have it.(Mage) Then there was the random difficulty some of them were to obtain. I am so glad I didn't play a warrior. I mained a rogue who had their epics delivered mail order for free pretty much. My Ragebringer is still in my rogues ranged slot before they changed it to main/offhand. I would hotswap in a Gundrak Harpoon for backstabs until the day came when I got a Primal Spear. I thought I read they added in an NPC in Plane of Fear that will spawn your epic mob for you now. About 10ish years too late but sure why not. This doesn't have anything to do with Wildstar but I do like Everquest.
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Givin posted:Going to assume you're talking about Epic 1.0s here. Yeah, it wasn't a hard lockout but with certain classes you were expected to have certain item rotations to be invited to any raid hence you had to farm up those old items which could mean you had to attune yourself to a "classic" raid.
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Apr 24, 2015 19:27
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I liked when people compared the wildstar attunement to BC's, and they neglected the fact that the attunement for BC was for every single raid in all of BC. Getting into karazhan took a guild group about an hour if two of you had epic flying to summon people to the next instance for the group stuff and then another half hour to hour for you to do, and getting into karazhan is the equivalent raid for what they put in wildstar. There was that giant infographic for BC that they liked to post to prove that wow had attunements that were just as bad and see they know what they're doing you just don't remember.
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Apr 24, 2015 19:45
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it also neglected to say that as bc went on they started removing the attunements and sunwell didn't even require one
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Apr 24, 2015 20:13
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Bauxite posted:I liked when people compared the wildstar attunement to BC's, and they neglected the fact that the attunement for BC was for every single raid in all of BC. Getting into karazhan took a guild group about an hour if two of you had epic flying to summon people to the next instance for the group stuff and then another half hour to hour for you to do, and getting into karazhan is the equivalent raid for what they put in wildstar. There was that giant infographic for BC that they liked to post to prove that wow had attunements that were just as bad and see they know what they're doing you just don't remember. No I remember but everyone was directly referring to Classic WoW which for some reason keeps coming up. BC had the long quests lines with multiple dungeon runs but nothing to crazy and stuff you would be doing anyway to gear up. Wildstar just went batshit insane with this old tried and failed concept.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:17
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Almost like Blizzard learned from their mistakes and started to slowly correct them to make the game more palatable to non-poopsockers, unlike Wildstar
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Apr 24, 2015 20:56
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Uh, Blizzard learned The Wrong Lessons. Wildstar is WOW Done Right, after all.
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Apr 24, 2015 21:22
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My entire guild got attuned to tempest keep because one group completed arcatraz heroic and we shuffled in like 30 other people to touch the cheevo button to complete it. i dont see the problem with attunements???
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Apr 24, 2015 21:44
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The only dumb pseudo attunment from BC was the Nightbane urn. And that was only poo poo because Blizzard believed for the longest time that players wanted to fight 360 degree chain cleaving mob packs in Shattered Halls.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:18
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Is nightbane the dragon skeleton in karazhan? Obtuse attunements for a single fight within a raid are cool. Nightbane was cool. He was like the 14th boss in Karazhan so it wasn't a huge deal that you skipped him most of the time.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:20
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The dreadlord in dire maul is also cool, because basically nobody ever saw him even though he had his own loot tables and BiS bracers for warriors at the time.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:22
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I kind of wish they did an attunement that didn't gate access to the content, but not doing the content made it more difficult. Think of it like choosing to either bring an item that cut a boss's aoe damage in half or choosing to be Men. I don't know how that would work out at all, but gently caress if you want to have this hardon for attunements at least play around with the idea or something.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:25
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The coolest attunement was The Lurker Below. Less cool but still kinda cool attunements are the guy who had an ability that just killed you unless you had an onyxia hide cloak (was it nef?) I guess basically a boss can be esoteric and obscure as gently caress as long as only one person has to present the regal dragoncock statuette required to draw him forth.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:27
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Normal Adult Human posted:The coolest attunement was The Lurker Below. The best part about lurker below was having 24 people sit around in position waiting and watching one guy fish.
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Literally The Worst posted:Almost like Blizzard learned from their mistakes and started to slowly correct them to make the game more palatable to non-poopsockers, unlike Wildstar It wasn't even a "mistake", though, that's the point Bauxite and Tormented are trying to make. The Wildstar devs never understood that the raids were, and should, always be accessible during Warcraft's lifetime. They eventually abolished the concept of the "breadcrumb attunement" to guide you to other content entirely, but the point was almost never to make content inaccessible. (The only content they made truly inaccessible was Naxxramas, and despite the attunement for that being actually rather punishing, it was really inaccessible due to its ridiculous tuning.) Tormented posted:There was NEVER a time where the window didn't work. Blizzard did think about not having the "Shortcut" during beta but then just went with this. Ah, but to  a little bit, this is also not quite correct. The "run through Blackrock Depths to get to the raid instance" concept did make it to live launch, and was how you did it up through patch 1.3 in March 2005; the window attunement was added at that point. It was implemented mostly due to server stress and instance issues, actually, rather than anything else: Warcraft, it has to be remembered, was never designed with a seven-figure playerbase in mind. The idea was that only a limited number of people would even be interested in raiding conceptually, and so it wouldn't strain the instance servers too heavily if people had to run through an old instance after full wipes. Instead, the instance servers were getting hammered in general and I remember there being constant problems with groups within a raid getting new, uncleared versions of BRD and getting cut off, never mind the other raid lockout issues Blizzard had early on.But even at all that, the fact remains: Molten Core originally had no attunement at all. The attunement was "could you get 40 people to wreck your way through Blackrock Depths and reach the entrance". Even Vanilla WoW's raiding was hilariously accessible compared to Wildstar - the only challenge was finding all the bodies you wanted. Wildstar's idiotic attunements have no real comparison in Warcraft's history.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:32
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In general, I find that the challenges which attunements offer are fine as long as they are fun. The problem is what they reward. They gate content and the reward is unlocking that content. I say that they get rid of that reward and replace it with really interesting and unique loot. Make the reward something that is more interesting than high stats.
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Apr 24, 2015 22:34
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All difficult content should have a semi-difficult (but not long) attunement step to: 1. Keep horrific people out of the pool of players attempting it 2. To allow horrific people to pay me money to let them into the pool.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:27
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Tormented posted:There was NEVER a time where the window didn't work. I thought male Tauren couldn't get through the window at one point? Or was that female Tauren?
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Apr 24, 2015 23:28
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How do yall feel about the new backwards attunement system where you're able to do any raid at any time except the wall comes from humans who refuse to play with someone who can't link a legendary item created from within that dungeon?
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Normal Adult Human posted:How do yall feel about the new backwards attunement system where you're able to do any raid at any time except the wall comes from humans who refuse to play with someone who can't link a legendary item created from within that dungeon? Well, you can't stop regular people being lovely, but I can stop developers being lovely people with their game by not buying or playing it.
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Apr 25, 2015 00:58
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Normal Adult Human posted:How do yall feel about the new backwards attunement system where you're able to do any raid at any time except the wall comes from humans who refuse to play with someone who can't link a legendary item created from within that dungeon? In addition to what Bauxite said, this is not new. It has always existed and it always will in one form or another.
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Apr 25, 2015 01:32
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Perhaps the ultimate achievement is earning the respect of your disgusting peers.
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Apr 25, 2015 01:44
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More like joining a good guild so you can rightfully ignore/make fun of these people. For me, triggering the sperglords is an achievement in itself. It is the best daily quest.
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Apr 25, 2015 02:12
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My experience is joining a party and being unable to tell which is which. Cards in mouth, etc, etc.
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Apr 25, 2015 02:56
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Literally The Worst posted:Almost like Blizzard learned from their mistakes and started to slowly correct them to make the game more palatable to non-poopsockers, unlike Wildstar To be fair I've heard they made the attunement slightly easier. I think you just have to complete the dungeons now, rather than speedrun them, and they were always the only part of the chain that was actually difficult. And the boss of the raid drops an item that you can give to another player to instantly attune them. The real question is whether there will ever be another person who wants to get attuned to a Wildstar raid who isn't already.
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Apr 25, 2015 04:36
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To anyone still playing: Is there a high population idling in cities? I know sub numbers would be pretty low, but there should be some activity going on.
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The Moon Monster posted:To be fair I've heard they made the attunement slightly easier. I think you just have to complete the dungeons now, rather than speedrun them, and they were always the only part of the chain that was actually difficult. And the boss of the raid drops an item that you can give to another player to instantly attune them. The real question is whether there will ever be another person who wants to get attuned to a Wildstar raid who isn't already. Yeah, uh, the problem with attunements wasn't ever how hard or easy they were. It was that it was a bunch of terrible lovely busywork chores that didn't get you anything except access to content. And unless they changed it that item only dropped from the last boss in the 40 man raid, so gfl getting one of those.
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Bauxite posted:Yeah, uh, the problem with attunements wasn't ever how hard or easy they were. It was that it was a bunch of terrible lovely busywork chores that didn't get you anything except access to content. Yep, this is why Attunement went away in WoW, because no matter how palatable pointlessly jumping through hoops, is it's still pointlessly jumping through hoops. I could see a short, simple breadcrumb quests to lead into a raid but nothing like Wildstar infographic of failure. Attunements in Wildstar are nothing but cargo cult nonsense: Carbine never learned that you don't need some sort of tedious busywork to separate the HARDCORE RAID DUDES from the casuals, actual good raid bosses do that quite well. But then again Wildstar didn't have those either, it's funny he was brought up a little bit ago because the final boss of Genetic Archives, the initial 20-person raid was basically just Lurker Below.
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Apr 25, 2015 08:33
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I thought the TBC attunement was kind of neat, except for the rep grind and the need to do it again if you had multiple characters.
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The Moon Monster posted:To be fair I've heard they made the attunement slightly easier. I think you just have to complete the dungeons now, rather than speedrun them, and they were always the only part of the chain that was actually difficult. And the boss of the raid drops an item that you can give to another player to instantly attune them. The real question is whether there will ever be another person who wants to get attuned to a Wildstar raid who isn't already. The only change was making it to bronze. You stiill have to contend with the rest of the attunement.
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Schubalts posted:Ok, getting closer. I found a gif I had saved of an aircombo to a grab, but for a different class. It's a spinning piledriver.
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Gaybee posted:To anyone still playing: Is there a high population idling in cities? I know sub numbers would be pretty low, but there should be some activity going on. i was reading a wildstar thread somewhere cause i was curious on the state of the game and a dude posted a picture of 7 dudes doing a mount conga line with "WOULD A DEAD GAME HAVE THIS??? STOP SAYING DEAD GAME" worth noting that he was in a main city and there was not a single player not in his tiny conga line
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Pierson posted:Holy poo poo. B&S is Blade and Soul right? Did it ever come out over here because that's something I would love to throw at least a month's sub into on the promise of being able to Inazuma Drop assholes. You have to download the chinese version because NCSoft never bothered localizing it. Or the japanese one actually, it went f2p recently Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Apr 25, 2015 |
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Apr 25, 2015 11:15
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Blade & Soul is the gigantic oily buttock simulator you've always dreamed of 
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Apr 25, 2015 12:44
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that was a big fart
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Apr 25, 2015 13:48
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i know it blew the rear end out of her costume right ACTUAL GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE  no really that is from the game no, seriously!
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Apr 25, 2015 13:56
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That was the game with the race of half-dressed eight-year-olds, right? And there was a whole little teacup storm when they toned down the naked child butt for the US release?
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Apr 25, 2015 13:58
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It has such a race but it's like, one of 4 or 5 active and fairly popular titles that has "the pedo race"
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Apr 25, 2015 14:09
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LordSaturn posted:That was the game with the race of half-dressed eight-year-olds, right? And there was a whole little teacup storm when they toned down the naked child butt for the US release? That was Tera I think.
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Bauxite posted:Yeah, uh, the problem with attunements wasn't ever how hard or easy they were. It was that it was a bunch of terrible lovely busywork chores that didn't get you anything except access to content. Well, the post I was quoting did say "slowly".
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