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Schrodingers cat posted:Wait what? I thought some modders said it was impossible to set it to 0$ and there was a minimum of 0.5$ or something. I think this is referencing an upcoming change. Doesn't do much about the other systemic problems, but I guess it's a step in a useful direction?
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Apr 26, 2015 03:41
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Ugh.... I guess it helps it look more like a donation button 
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Apr 26, 2015 03:43
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Apr 26, 2015 03:53
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Yeah, I'm cool with a PWYW section that allows me to enter $0 if I'm not confident it will be good. I hope it also allows me to up the price I pay after the fact if I DO enjoy it. Next up, give more money to modders.
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ETPC posted:Yeah, I'm cool with a PWYW section that allows me to enter $0 if I'm not confident it will be good. I hope it also allows me to up the price I pay after the fact if I DO enjoy it. This is superior to the old system of having donate buttons because reasons
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GunnerJ posted:This is where I started to realize he was kind of unhinged about this. The other super dumb thing he said was that the fan over-reaction was going to make Bethesda shy away from releasing mod tools for their games in the future because the modding community made itself look crazy and they will see it's not in their interest to do so, like hahaha yes the makers of games where modding is a selling point who view mods as a source of revenue will not release modding tools at all because the fan anger isn't worth it, a whole company operating on the special snowflake artiste modder script, right. I tried to listen to the vid you linked but after he was done shaming people for whatever dramatics were going on on Nexus he started making whiny child noises about how you could still find free mods and I turned it off because yikes. Police Automaton posted:I assume either a beta tester (if they have any?) or even a Team member who doesn't approve leaked it. I'd gladly watch the Workshop fill up with endless $1.99 Glass Sword re-skins if I wasn't so convinced that this is heading toward FO4 having mod paywall integration that will be a pain in the rear end to circumvent.
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Eric the Mauve posted:This is superior to the old system of having donate buttons because reasons actually i was always in favor of extremely visible donate buttons from minute one but keep going by all means
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ETPC posted:Yeah, I'm cool with a PWYW section that allows me to enter $0 if I'm not confident it will be good. I hope it also allows me to up the price I pay after the fact if I DO enjoy it. This is what I'd prefer, I use plenty of mods that are awesome and I'd support, but there's no way I'm throwing monetary support behind a mod BEFORE finding out it's terrible or doesn't work with the other mods. One such mod I tried recently was Corpse Preparation, since I liked the idea of creating a skeleton army  . Unfortunately, doing pretty much ANYTHING passes time by twelve hours, which SERIOUSLY messes up your character when you've got Realistic Needs and Diseases installed. I'm sure it's a great mod but it sure as hell doesn't work with my setup, and I'd hate to spend five bucks to find that out.
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ETPC posted:actually i was always in favor of extremely visible donate buttons from minute one but keep going by all means I'm all for donate buttons but against using the Workshop to manage my mods because it is clunky and terrible. Also, HD genitalia mods aren't available on Workshop so what is the point?
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Yeah, I'm all in for Pay What You Want a la Humble Bundle, but it still needs fixing. Like, give the mod maker more than 25% of the share. It still won't solve the whole legal mess behind sharing work and assets, but at least we're getting the option to essentially donate to them.
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Is Immersive Animations still the best mod so Lydia or Uthgerd won't run like they've dropped a load in their pants?
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Trixie Hardcore posted:I tried to listen to the vid you linked but after he was done shaming people for whatever dramatics were going on on Nexus he started making whiny child noises about how you could still find free mods and I turned it off because yikes. I don't blame you even a little.
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Eric the Mauve posted:This is superior to the old system of having donate buttons because reasons Donate buttons are easy to ignore. This is making people affirm that they want to pay zero money for the thing they are downloading, while making paying some non-zero sum of money very easy. If you make donating as easy as not donating you'll have way more donations.
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Scyantific posted:Yeah, I'm all in for Pay What You Want a la Humble Bundle, but it still needs fixing. Like, give the mod maker more than 25% of the share. why
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Republicans posted:Donate buttons are easy to ignore. This is making people affirm that they want to pay zero money for the thing they are downloading, while making paying some non-zero sum of money very easy. If you make donating as easy as not donating you'll have way more donations. if you do pay the optional fee and the mod turns out garbage you can at least get a refund in gabe newell funny money
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trickle down modnomics
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Eric the Mauve posted:This is superior to the old system of having donate buttons because reasons Because now Bethesda and Valve get a 75% cut for all the hard work they didn't do.
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ninjahedgehog posted:Because now Bethesda and Valve get a 75% cut for all the hard work they didn't do. And possibly up to $400 minimum for all the hard work CD Projekt did when someone uploads a mod with copyrighted content. I'd like to see Valve's excuse when they're sued by EA for earning money off their content. They'd probably also sue the mod maker, but that really is all it would take. One stealth Mickey Mouse mod, disguised as an armor mod, and the whole thing might come down.
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ninjahedgehog posted:Because now Bethesda and Valve get a 75% cut for all the hard work they didn't do. Except build and maintain the tools and platform you use to create and sell your mods.
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Bel Monte posted:And possibly up to $400 minimum for all the hard work CD Projekt did when someone uploads a mod with copyrighted content. Don't even need that. Ubisoft can jump in the moment one of those Assassin's Creed armor mods makes the jump to paid-only.
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CuddlyZombie posted:http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/33uplp/mods_and_steam/cqol9re?context=3 quote:Funny, the community successfully steered modding work in Elder Scrolls for about ten loving years with nothing but goodwill and thanks, before you guys got involved. 
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Third World Reggin posted:this event has only really cemented in my the idea that there is a large portion of elder scrolls fans that are broken as people Gabe broke my heart. My ability to feel human. It's all gone, all is lost. The only thing left is a burning cinder of hatred. That's what gaming did to me, and that's what it will do to you.
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Third World Reggin posted:this event has only really cemented in my the idea that there is a large portion of elder scrolls fans that are broken as people If there was any doubt in your mind idk what to tell you
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Third World Reggin posted:this event has only really cemented in my the idea that there is a large portion of elder scrolls fans that are broken as people Only took me one mmoxreview video to grasp that.
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Has there ever been any official word from Bethesda or any legal precedent as to who actually owns mods? I've read a few things about possible coverage as 'derivative works' and the publisher's claiming ownership and such, but nothing solid about where it definitely stands from a legal standpoint.
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I like this one. quote:This is literally a community you do no gently caress with. A silent behemoth, happy in its cave, resting on its pile of treasure.
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graynull posted:Has there ever been any official word from Bethesda or any legal precedent as to who actually owns mods? I've read a few things about possible coverage as 'derivative works' and the publisher's claiming ownership and such, but nothing solid about where it definitely stands from a legal standpoint. Wasn't there a huge fuzz (back when the creation kit for Skyrim came out) that the EULA of it basically pointed out that Bethesda owns all derivative works? I have something like that in my memory. Which is also interesting because it is quite possible to make mods without the kit. (but I guess, impossible to upload them to the Workshop that way, nice thinking Bethesda) You people should just all play Daggerfall.
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^Mods created without the Creation Kit are also significantly more likely to screw your game up.Im_Special posted:I like this one.
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Republicans posted:Except build and maintain the tools and platform you use to create and sell your mods. they didn't make skse or mo/nmm, modding is kinda worthless without those
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Valve just shot themselves in the foot. I don't know how much the rest of you know about modding culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in an actual job where you can become successful by being an rear end in a top hat. If you screw someone over in the Nexus, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance. What this means is the gaming public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Fallout 4 for either system, nor will they purchase any of Valve's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Valve has alienated an entire market with this move. Valve , publicly apologize and cancel paid mods or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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Is this bad or good or what? It doesn't sound bad if they allow $0 mods but I don't trust these lovely companies and giving them control over anything, I could easily see mod use in future games being behind paywalls and stuff like that
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megalodong posted:Valve just shot themselves in the foot. Please source your quotes
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Republicans posted:Except build and maintain the tools and platform you use to create and sell your mods. The Real Foogla posted:they didn't make skse or mo/nmm, modding is kinda worthless without those Yeah sorry Bethesda got their cut, if they want a revenue stream rather than a one-time fee then they should change how they sell their games. Oh well I guess Zenimax tried that with ESO and this must be their backup plan Bethesda hasn't updated Skyrim for the last (almost) two years, has done no patching, done zero development on tools to make it easier/better and have had no hand in creating the actual tools people use right now. Valve hasn't improved the Workshop either because it is still an obtuse circa 1999 UI slow garbage pail of a mess. The people being all WWII about it are dumb as gently caress yeah, but Valve is also pretty dumb about the whole thing too because laffo the mod workshop for Skyrim and now you have to pay to use it  tekz posted:Is this bad or good or what? It doesn't sound bad if they allow $0 mods but I don't trust these lovely companies and giving them control over anything, I could easily see mod use in future games being behind paywalls and stuff like that Well right now if you put a mod in the sell section your minimum is 50 cents. You can't 'sell' a mod for $0 at the moment. Have you modded Skyrim before? It's exactly the same but now some content is behind a paywall. It's the same conflicts, save corruption, zero customer support and all the warts that come with 'doing' modded Skyrim. There isn't any value added for the end user, all you get is a 'gee support your favorite modder!' so good luck. KakerMix fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Apr 26, 2015 |
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megalodong posted:Valve just shot themselves in the foot. source your quotes efb
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:People who can't see why this is hilariously bad are pretty dumb. Nah those of us who say "This is dumb and bad" are actually just entitled gamers who want everything for free.
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