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Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Joementum posted:

My favorite part of the WHCD was every shot of Wolf Blitzer not laughing on C-SPAN.

Was he wearing Armani again?

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Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Lotka Volterra posted:

She didn't send enough diplomats to negotiate with ISIL, this is her fault

To be fair, the westerners who have met them personally have had their decapitations posted online. Hillary obviously thought drone strikes discretion to be the better part of valour.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Sir Tonk posted:

Was he wearing Armani again?

Someone told him that's what real reporters wear.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Radbot posted:

Maybe it's just the internet making everyone's opinions heard simultaneously, but it feels like we're reaching a breaking point on this kind of stuff. I didn't think it was possible but FB and reddit are getting straight up Storm front racist at this point, openly advocating black genocide in well-rated parent comments. At the same time, it seems like black folks are feeling more comfortable about showing their anger over police abuse.

r/news is especially bad. The best part is how anti-cop reddit seems to trend unless they are killing black people or black people are "rioting".

People I work with seem to be getting more and more openly racist as well. It's weird how living in the suburbs or country and having almost no exposure to "those people" outside of the news makes you more and more racist.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
It's honestly not that people are getting more racist. They were always secretly racist, if only casualty. This stuff is getting more and more dragged out into the light of day and putting the question to people's beliefs. It's sometimes disturbing when someone you spend time with daily fails that test out of seemingly nowhere.

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

Maybe I'll drown

fknlo posted:

People I work with seem to be getting more and more openly racist as well. It's weird how living in the suburbs or country and having almost no exposure to "those people" outside of the news makes you more and more racist.

Honestly, I've found that people in suburbs are more virulently racist than people in the country (at least where I've lived). The people in the country are racist, sure, but there isn't that sense of complete terror at the thought of poor minorities getting any sort of mobility. Whereas in the suburbs - I would assume due to being close to more diverse cities - you see people who not only dislike minorities but also treat them as an existential threat. It was weird, because the people I grew up with out in the country were uneducated and still struck me as being mild in comparison to college graduates in middle-upper middle income neighborhoods.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

Racism gets worse in times of economic uncertainty and hardship.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Zelder posted:

Racism gets worse in times of economic uncertainty and hardship.

Which is why rich suburbs have it the worst?

Armani
Jun 22, 2008

Now it's been 17 summers since I've seen my mother

But every night I see her smile inside my dreams

computer parts posted:

Which is why rich suburbs have it the worst?

Yeah, actually. Any amount of 'less' in those communities (or any community) is usually seen as a bad thing, and can be easily blamed on people that aren't you.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Armani posted:

Yeah, actually. Any amount of 'less' in those communities (or any community) is usually seen as a bad thing, and can be easily blamed on people that aren't you.

Sorry, I should've said "[continued] rich suburbs".

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


They could foresee the economic downturn as the catalyst for those "others" to cause problems. While their lives may not be economically hurt, they may see the poor's economic downturn as what is causing all of the problems.

eNeMeE
Nov 26, 2012

computer parts posted:

Sorry, I should've said "[continued] rich suburbs".

Well, there's always folks like these.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

The problems of today's society that we really need to address require complex solutions that serious people and not the Serious People need time and support to work on. These things range from income inequality, privacy versus security, economic development and the maintenance of the human supporting biome.

Edward Snowden is in Russia, Senators are throwing snowballs in the Senate and the government is figuratively fiddling while agents of it allow infrastructure to return to gravel, its law enforcement agents murder citizens and Tom Brady's career is more important than securing a future for the entire human race.

Politics is a game for the rich, and we've allowed the first society in the history of humanity that can solve any problem it really wants to turn inward and devour itself because the challenges we face have not been decided by "common sense" in the gilded or prehistoric age.

We can and have to do better.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

RuanGacho posted:

We can and have to do better.

Nah, we're comfortable and fat, we'll just stagnate for a while and descend into obsolescence like Rome did.

BlueBlazer
Apr 1, 2010

McAlister posted:

This is where I think popular wisdom on D&D is getting it completely wrong.

I haven't posted much here but my reg date is in the early 2000's and I'm fairly certain I did post a few times here among other forums about why I thought both Obama and Hillary were great candidates but supported Hillary in the primary. If someone with a fancier account than me can dig in my post history you'll probably find some posts on the subject ( and I hope 2008 me doesn't embarrass now-me if someone does ).

My prediction was that Obama was climbing to high to fast and that this represented a bad combination of inexperience and lack of connections. Presidents tend to come from either a governor's mansions or the senate. Each track has its own advantages and weaknesses. If they are ex-governors they have executive experience they can transfer to their new job but lack connections/relationships that make things smoother. If they are ex-senators they have a wealth of connections and collegiality to smooth things over as they adjust to an executive role. Obama was effectively neither.

Obama had never held an executive office and was a senate freshman in 2007. On top of that, everything I read indicated he wasn't spending his time in the senate to good effect by networking. He was described as a "loner" in the senate not just by political opponents but also by fellow democrats. Which was really weird given how charismatic he is in speeches but all accounts from all sources I've found agree that he did not apply his charisma to his fellow senators. To skip this antisocial newbie over all the long serving senators to the big chair that they all dream of ... well even if he weren't black that comes with a host of problems. Racism certainly added a vile flavor to the mix but the real poison would be/was professional jealousy.

My argument then - and now - was that this double penalty would/did cause a ridiculous amount of gridlock. Above and beyond inevitable political theatre, being cut to the head of the Senate line outraged a lot of people Obama needed to be able to work with. Obama needed to serve longer in the senate both to build professional relationships and to pay his dues like everyone else.


Hillary is the complete opposite of Obama. Instead of a double penalty she has a double bonus. She has both paid her dues/networked in the senate and also had a lot of second hand executive experience first as First Lady of Arkansas and then as First Lady proper.

The personal animosity that Obama had to deal with simply isn't there for Hillary. And that animosity - not racism - is what keeps the non-tea party republicans from being able to work with Obama. The TP republicans are newbies themselves so have no networks and yeah, racism/sexism will remain the driving forces there. But they are a minority that the rest of the GOP doesn't like. Hillary can work with that in a way Obama simply couldn't.


That matters. Good will makes a big difference. If your coworkers personally resent you - you end up with Obama's presidency.


With hindsight as the co-pilot I agree. Especially the part about double negative to double bonus. Hillary already knows where all the levers of power are. Obama took 6 years to figure out how to say, "gently caress you Guys, I'm President." If she becomes president I believe she could be the most effective wielder of power in 50 years, just due to sheer experience.

I've been working sales recently and it's amazing how much just good relations goes to get things done, regardless of merit or ability. Political Theatre is all well and good when analyzing but what really goes on is completely based on relationships and a willingness to work with and being seen to work with those you disagree with, I mean in essence isn't that "Politics"?

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Nah, we're comfortable and fat, we'll just stagnate for a while and descend into obsolescence like Rome did.

Rome existed in some form for at least 1500 years and people were aspiring to be the next Rome until at least the end of WW2, not a bad gig.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

computer parts posted:

Rome existed in some form for at least 1500 years and people were aspiring to be the next Rome until at least the end of WW2, not a bad gig.

Napoleon was the last man to truly reform and reunite the Empire.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Nah, we're comfortable and fat, we'll just stagnate for a while and descend into obsolescence like Rome did.

We need to transition away from Republic to Empire first.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

All glory to Serbia, Fourth Rome.

radical meme
Apr 17, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

evilweasel posted:

I think this has a lot of merit, but

a lot of words


Oh my god. I have such a lower opinion of you and your views after seeing this verbose response to this pile of poo poo post. This paragraph right here says it all:

quote:

The personal animosity that Obama had to deal with simply isn't there for Hillary. And that animosity - not racism - is what keeps the non-tea party republicans from being able to work with Obama. The TP republicans are newbies themselves so have no networks and yeah, racism/sexism will remain the driving forces there. But they are a minority that the rest of the GOP doesn't like. Hillary can work with that in a way Obama simply couldn't.

That's some delusional poo poo. You should be ashamed of yourself for even attempting to justify this person's opinions.

radical meme fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Apr 26, 2015

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
The Tea Party people are racist towards Hillary?

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

I'm honestly not sure why we're pretending that barring some rare instances of the media playing along with public outrage that the Kabuki theater of how congress interacts with the other branches and by extension the rest of the world has any basis in reality anyway.

It definitely is more connections than careful manipulation of public polling, anyone who knows any elected officials can tell you this is not house of cards going on.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

radical meme posted:

Oh my god. I have such a lower opinion of you and your views after seeing this verbose response to this pile of poo poo post. This paragraph right here says it all:


That's some delusional poo poo. You should be ashamed of yourself for even attempting to justify this person's opinions.

The other poster had several quotations that gave evidence to the idea that Republican's actually do like Hillary personally, even though it is impossible for them to ever say or act like that publicly. Hillary having a good personal relationship with those in congress on both sides of the isle is actually an interesting hypothesis supported by evidence and you haven't said anything to refute it besides "they are critical of her professionally," which of course they are.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Payday loans! They're backed by billionaire hedge fund guys skirting regulations to make millions while paying people peanuts to run their online exploitation schemes since there are no other jobs on the reservation. But the problem is - these really are the only jobs, and now some tribal leaders are viewing regulation of them as outsiders trying to ruin just about the only revenue source they have left.

quote:

In the middle of the Ottawa National Forest, there is a Native American reservation where snowdrifts mark the main road into town. At the end of that town, there is a casino with penny slots and a three-story hotel. In back of that hotel, there is a locked, unmarked door with a punch code. And beyond that door is a repurposed ballroom, once used for wedding receptions, where 11 workers — backed by a Wall Street hedge fund, supported by a call center in the Philippines — now sell loans online to credit-constrained Americans at annualized interest rates of 780 percent.

In that old ballroom, sitting in a gray cubicle, looking at her Dell: A 25-year-old who only got off food stamps when she took this $11-per-hour job. Who doesn’t have Internet at home, but whose inbox now pings with questions from borrowers, 30 percent of whom end up defaulting.

Where did these fees come from? some of the e-mails ask, she says. You’re a disgrace to Native Americans, she recalls another one saying. And Amber McGeshick, one of the customer service workers at Castlepayday.com, weighs how she should respond.

“As for whether I am doing the right thing, yeah, I am doing my job,” McGeshick said. “But as a whole, I don’t know. I mean, I really don’t know.”

The high-rate loans that come from McGeshick’s office rank among America’s riskiest extensions of credit, capable both of aiding consumers in a pinch and leaving them with unmanageable fees and debt. The loans were controversial even before this latest twist, when Native American tribes entered the online lending business in what they describe as a last-ditch attempt to earn revenue and provide decent lives for their members.

With some two-dozen tribes now offering installment and payday loans, Native Americans have found themselves wrestling with the merits of this lifeline. Following the formula used in casino gambling, tribes capitalize on their right to govern themselves in an otherwise tightly regulated industry. Only in this case, revenue is earned from borrowers who are charged interest rates that sometimes are double what they’d find in a brick-and-mortar payday store. Some Castle Payday borrowers can find themselves facing $8,000 in financing fees on a $1,000 loan, even if they make payments on time. The lending is conducted exclusively online.

I don't even know what the hell you do about that. It's a horrible industry, but the alternative is once again having the reservation at 50% unemployment.

Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Apr 26, 2015

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!

I hate people like this so loving much.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Luigi Thirty posted:

Payday loans! They're backed by billionaire hedge fund guys skirting regulations to make millions while paying people peanuts to run their online exploitation schemes since there are no other jobs on the reservation. But the problem is - these really are the only jobs, and now some tribal leaders are viewing regulation of them as outsiders trying to ruin just about the only revenue source they have left.


I don't even know what the hell you do about that. It's a horrible industry, but the alternative is once again having the reservation at 50% unemployment.

Maybe online casinos?

radical meme
Apr 17, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Stereotype posted:

The other poster had several quotations that gave evidence to the idea that Republican's actually do like Hillary personally, even though it is impossible for them to ever say or act like that publicly. Hillary having a good personal relationship with those in congress on both sides of the isle is actually an interesting hypothesis supported by evidence and you haven't said anything to refute it besides "they are critical of her professionally," which of course they are.

BlueBlazer posted:



I've been working sales recently and it's amazing how much just good relations goes to get things done, regardless of merit or ability. Political Theatre is all well and good when analyzing but what really goes on is completely based on relationships and a willingness to work with and being seen to work with those you disagree with, I mean in essence isn't that "Politics"?

What the gently caress are people like you thinking. You actually have bought in to the idea that everything the GOP has done for the last 6 years is because there's a friend of the family in the White House. You are delusional. " Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." For those of you that didn't live through or remember the Clinton administration, the bloodshed is just about to start. The hate on Obama is nothing compared to what you are about to witness.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/apr/26/big-lie-las-vegan-watches-his-reid-tale-takes/

quote:

A Las Vegas man claims he started a false rumor that the injuries suffered by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid several months ago were the result of an attack by Reid’s brother, not an exercise accident.

Larry Pfeifer, a 50-year-old former consultant in the nightclub and entertainment industry, said he fabricated the story after becoming appalled that right-wing political blogger John Hinderaker published a rumor that Reid’s injuries stemmed from an assault by a Mafia enforcer. Pfeifer said he pitched his fake story about the Reid brothers’ supposed fight to Hinderaker, author of the Power Line blog, to test whether the blogger would publish it, as well. When Hinderaker reported it and the rumor was subsequently spread by others in conservative media, Pfeifer says he began plotting to self-report it as a lie to show the lack of credibility and journalistic standards among partisan media figures.

“It was just so outrageous,” he said. “The fact that someone can say something completely false that can destroy somebody’s life, it’s just wrong. Where’s the moral compass?”

Pfeifer, who describes himself as a motivational speaker who is involved in addiction counseling, said he completely concocted the story that Reid’s brother, Larry, showed up intoxicated at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting on New Year’s Eve in Henderson and claimed to have beaten up a relative.

Pfeifer said the media figures who published and broadcast the rumor did so without corroboration and without knowing his true identity. He revealed to them that he was using a pseudonym, he said, yet none demanded proof of his true identity.

The rumor spread quickly after Hinderaker published it April 3, landing Pfeifer on conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham’s radio program six days later when Hinderaker was a guest host, and leading to a conversation between Pfeifer and Rush Limbaugh. Pfeifer said he tried to get on Limbaugh’s show, where he planned to admit he’d made up the story.


“I thought the whole thing would be over in a day and a half,” he said. “I wasn’t after 15 minutes of fame. I wanted a platform where I could present this as what it was and 2 million people would pick up on it.”

He said he decided to present the truth after Limbaugh rejected him as a guest but repeated the rumor April 15 on his talk-radio show.

Neither Limbaugh nor Hinderaker presented the story as fact, and both told their audience to take it for what it was worth.

“Is Easton Elliott telling the truth? I have absolutely no idea,” Hinderaker said on Ingraham’s show. (Easton Elliott was the pseudonym Pfeifer adopted.) “He called me and told me this story. He’s related it consistently. Whether he’s right or not, I don’t know.”

But Pfeifer said it was still unconscionable for them to spread it, and now he’s looking to get as much exposure as possible.

“Can I set off a domino effect where people say, ‘We’re sick of this,’ and start turning away from this kind of media or maybe boycott their sponsors?” he said.

Pfeifer said he made up the rumor virtually on the fly, patching it together with bits of information he’d gleaned from going to AA meetings and reading a recent news story about Larry Reid being arrested for drunken driving and allegedly punching a Nevada Highway Patrol trooper. Pfeifer said he peppered it with false information that should have been seen as red flags, including that AA allows intoxicated individuals to attend meetings on New Year’s Eve and Christmas Eve.

He said he also made up details designed to create credence to his story, including that there was a potluck dinner at the AA meeting and that Larry Reid’s left hand was injured — a juicy tidbit considering that Harry Reid’s facial injuries were on the right side of his head and thus could have been inflicted by blows from a left hand in a face-to-face fight.

Pfeifer said he was appalled at how little vetting was done on him and his story.

“They had no problem using a story that had nothing but some guy’s word,” Pfeifer said. “Not one of them knew my real name. I didn’t even give them my phone number.”

Harry Reid said his injuries occurred when an elastic resistance band snapped as he was exercising, causing him to fall into a cabinet. Reid, who may suffer permanent vision loss in his right eye because of the accident, has scoffed at speculation that he made up the story.

“It shows the credibility of Rush Limbaugh; he’s the guy that got all this started,” Reid said during a recent interview on CNBC. “Why in the world would I come up with a story that I got hurt in my own bathroom with my wife standing there? And I think a lot of people, as I read, they kind of don’t like me as a person and I think that’s unfortunate.”

In coming forward, Pfeifer said he expected to encounter skepticism about whether he truly was the source of the rumor and whether he made up the story. A convicted felon who was sentenced to prison for financial crimes in the early 1990s, he offered dozens of emails and recordings as verification of his claim. He said he was not pressured to debunk the rumor and had never met Harry Reid or anyone in his family.

Pfeifer said he felt guilty for bringing unwanted attention to Larry Reid and for any harm he might have caused to the Reid family.

“I would really like to apologize to Harry Reid and his brother. What I did was (expletive) up,” Pfeifer said.

Pfeifer said he encountered several reporters who acted responsibly, both while he was spreading the rumor and after he decided to blow the whistle on himself. The Sun demanded that Pfeifer reveal his legal name and show his driver’s license, then ran a public records check on him to verify his identity.

Now, Pfeifer is hoping his story goes viral and leads to appearances in national media to speak out about irresponsible partisan media.

“Why are people so bloodthirsty?” Pfeifer said. “We’re all supposed to be good neighbors. Harry Reid’s a human being. If a complete stranger we knew was injured, wouldn’t we be concerned?

“Besides that, even if Harry Reid concocted a story to protect his brother, why does that matter? I understand (the public's perception) that if somebody could lie about something like this, they could lie about anything. But it’s not like Harry Reid was driving drunk and killed somebody. He was the one who was injured.” ”

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Luigi Thirty posted:

Payday loans! They're backed by billionaire hedge fund guys skirting regulations to make millions while paying people peanuts to run their online exploitation schemes since there are no other jobs on the reservation. But the problem is - these really are the only jobs, and now some tribal leaders are viewing regulation of them as outsiders trying to ruin just about the only revenue source they have left.


I don't even know what the hell you do about that. It's a horrible industry, but the alternative is once again having the reservation at 50% unemployment.
I mean I guess as an alternative we could overhaul the welfare system in reservationsahahahahahahaha

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

On the one hand, trolling right wing blogs will never not be funny, but to put my concern troll hat on for a minute, it's not like his admission that he made up the story is going to get them to admit they were wrong. Chuck Johnson is still claiming he was right about the Menendez story that the Cuban government fed him.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


Joementum posted:

On the one hand, trolling right wing blogs will never not be funny, but to put my concern troll hat on for a minute, it's not like his admission that he made up the story is going to get them to admit they were wrong. Chuck Johnson is still claiming he was right about the Menendez story that the Cuban government fed him.

That dude is so pompous, it's incredible. I hope he flames out horribly instead of toiling away for years in relative obscurity like Malkin

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


JT Jag posted:

Everyone who's gotten all cynical about Hillary should remember that she was for healthcare reform before it was cool

She was the Antichrist in Baptist propaganda before Obama was.

And they actually believed it then.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

radical meme posted:

What the gently caress are people like you thinking. You actually have bought in to the idea that everything the GOP has done for the last 6 years is because there's a friend of the family in the White House. You are delusional. " Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." For those of you that didn't live through or remember the Clinton administration, the bloodshed is just about to start. The hate on Obama is nothing compared to what you are about to witness.

Again, of course they attack her professionally and publicly. No poo poo they aren't going to hold her hand and dance through the roses. Way to announce a stunning revelation there Sherlock.

I'm curious as to whether Hillary's personal relationships from a lifetime in the federal government will be more effective than Obamas first term, which was only moderately successful because of a near supermajority in the senate, and even then was hamstrung by both sides.

richardfun
Aug 10, 2008

Twenty years? It's no wonder I'm so hungry. Do you have anything to eat?

Joementum posted:

My favorite part of the WHCD was every shot of Wolf Blitzer not laughing on C-SPAN.

Too bad they got a thoroughly unfunny comedian this year. I felt like even the jokes that sounded like they'd read good on paper landed flat because of the delivery.

I rewatched the Joel McHale one afterwards. Now that was a funny set.

Wolf Blitzer refused to laugh in that one too.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


Does anyone else watch Colbert's WHCD set every year, after the current one? It never gets old

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


The right's response to this, makes them all brain dead. Jesus the comments.

Iowa Snow King
Jan 5, 2008

ErichZahn posted:

She was the Antichrist in Baptist propaganda before Obama was.

And they actually believed it then.

Remember the Christmas tree crackpipes? Good times.

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!

Rygar201 posted:

Does anyone else watch Colbert's WHCD set every year, after the current one? It never gets old

"You can ask him anything, but he's going to say what he wants at the pace that he wants. It's like boxing a glacier. Enjoy that metaphor, by the way, because your grandchildren will have no idea what a glacier is."

They really had no idea who they were inviting, did they.

berzerker
Aug 18, 2004
"If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Nah, we're comfortable and fat, we'll just stagnate for a while and descend into obsolescence like Rome did.

Things are no more poo poo now in politics in terms of partisanship and acrimony than they were in 1800. Even without the whole slavery thing.

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Relentlessboredomm
Oct 15, 2006

It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."

Carrasco posted:

"You can ask him anything, but he's going to say what he wants at the pace that he wants. It's like boxing a glacier. Enjoy that metaphor, by the way, because your grandchildren will have no idea what a glacier is."

They really had no idea who they were inviting, did they.

He said he knew when a joke was staying in when his wife would gasp as he read them to her. That is one of the best comedy sets about politics I've ever seen.

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