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VikingofRock posted:Wait isn't C still dealing with the fallout of its syntax decisions today? Even looking past stuff like trigraphs, people look at you funny if you compile without warnings enabled because C lets you write a bunch of stuff that looks good but which actually does something totally different from what you want. Also C syntax leads to stuff like goto fail. because c, c++, c#, and Java, aka all of the adult languages, are in agreement
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idk I Wikipediaed elm and it was like "a single line comment is --" no, gently caress you, it is // and there is no reason for it not to be
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Bloody posted:idk I Wikipediaed elm and it was like "a single line comment is --" no, gently caress you, it is // and there is no reason for it not to be // is integer division. elm is part of the ml family which all share a lot of syntax
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OK, but they are wrong
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single line comment syntax is a weird thing to get stuck on
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yeah i mean sql, a known Useful Language, uses -- for comments
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ignoring comments, the lack of parentheses for function application is pretty critical for OCaml, f#, haskell etc. it enables partial application e: Bloody does have a good point though about how lots of langs have different syntax just for the sake of it. letting you choose between whitespace sensitivity and braces+; gives you the best of both worlds gonadic io fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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; is an ok comment character too, considering that lisp's been using it since forever
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gonadic io posted:letting you choose between whitespace sensitivity and braces+; gives you the best of both worlds i don't see why a modern lang wouldn't do this, unless you're Guido and believe that braces are ~unpythonic~ (or vice versa) I mean by design it'd be perfectly backwards compatible. it's not like langs (generally) themselves have an opinion on spaces vs tabs for example e: i guess that it'd cause if (cond) do_thing; to potentially be an error where it wasn't before but I don't really see that as a problem 
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Apr 29, 2015 07:16
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fart simpson posted:learn elm
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Bloody posted:i always think functional languages should be really good for machine learning but i have absolutely no reason to think that and no evidence to support such a thought this is what happens when you let haskell people think about machine learning
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did you ever see the paper about making a separate monad instance for each different probability distribution
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VikingofRock posted:Only in the sense that everything language is terrible (functional or not). Go learn a functional language! You're (probably) not going to get a job with it but it'll be fun and interesting and you'll get a wider perspective on coding as a whole. but then what's the point? like why would i bother learning haskell if i won't be able to really do anything to make money with it? fart simpson posted:javascript syntax is pretty good bless
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Blinkz0rz posted:but then what's the point? like why would i bother learning haskell if i won't be able to really do anything to make money with it? same reason you might learn another human language: give you a new perspective, let you understand more writings and participate in additional interesting conversations. see also taking a pottery class even if you don't want to make vases for a living
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hi pl thread should i learn rust
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Subjunctive posted:same reason you might learn another human language: give you a new perspective, let you understand more writings and participate in additional interesting conversations. lol no human communication is broader and more important than beep beep boop booping a computer. if it doesn't help me make money i'm not gonna learn a new programming language. that's just stupid.
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Blinkz0rz posted:lol no human communication is broader and more important than beep beep boop booping a computer. if it doesn't help me make money i'm not gonna learn a new programming language. that's just stupid. yes, my point is that you might choose to learn many things other than to be paid to perform them. if you're not interested in programming as a hobby, and you don't think that being able to participate in Haskell conversations about types and such will make you a better programmer (both of which are IMO reasonable positions) then by all means pass.
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i gotcha so then other than pet project knowledge, what do people actually use haskell for?
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making arguments on the Internet
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whoops this isn't the pl thread
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As a Millennial I posted:hi pl thread should i learn rust yes. im having fun with it
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Blinkz0rz posted:i gotcha the guy that makes elm gets paid to make elm and elm is implemented in haskell
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haskell seems pretty nice for that kinda stuff but only .1% of programmers are doing that kinda stuff and the rest are all just gluing that kinda stuff together with high level imperative langs and that kinda stuff kinda stuff
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Deacon of Delicious posted:comin' in here with their monads, and their capital letters i meant all the scattergory theory stuff
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i'm thinking of writing a sql static analysis tool in F# for some of the weird sql poo poo we do at work but i'm too lazy
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what set of problems is haskell the right choice for
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Bloody posted:what set of problems is haskell the right choice for it seems pretty good for writing compilers, i guess
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i also think its the right choice for the types of small automation scripting stuff i do to make my job easier
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Blinkz0rz posted:i gotcha the primary use of Haskell is as a research and development language for creating new and useful features for real languages like c#.
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shaggar what is your opinion on F#?
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ive never used it but its functional so I probably would avoid it in favor of c#
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it certainly seems to have better syntax than most functional languages
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fart simpson posted:haskell is one of the least bad languages out there imho
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Bloody posted:what set of problems is haskell the right choice for the set that your professor gives you
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VikingofRock posted:I've been thinking about making a CoC Haskell thread for a while now, to help with little questions like this. Would other people here have an interest in that? I don't really have a ton of experience writing practical Haskell so it feels a little weird for me to make the thread, but I'd definitely be willing to put in the time to make/maintain the OP if no one else wants to. you should do this, or a general fp thread.
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haskell.org homepage tutorial posted:The fst function just gets the first value. It's called "fst" because it's used a lot in Haskell so it really needs to be short! i don't know if i can go on
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