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Joementum posted:You want trolling? Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA) will give you some trolling at today's address from Japanese Prime Minister Abe. I once again am glad I did my part to show that we were not, in fact, "Ready for Ro" Gravel Gravy posted:Aren't concealed carry and the open carry movements different though? Yeah. I think that's a mistake on his part though, because I've literally never heard anyone call for reciprocal open carry, where reciprocal concealed carry has come up repeatedly in the past few years.
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Joementum posted:You want trolling? Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA) will give you some trolling at today's address from Japanese Prime Minister Abe. Can I just say again that I'm incredibly glad that he's still my Congressman, and that my district wasn't fired up and ready for Ro? Honda is really great on the whole Japanese war crimes issue; that and his upbringing alone make me respect him a ton.
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Apr 29, 2015 16:39
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Doctor Butts posted:So here's the thing. I posted this mostly to make fun of the sourcing, but the thing that got me as much as the silly bit I bolded was the "data mining company that wished to remain anonymous." It is, if it actually exists, a dude who just figured out you can geotag twitter.
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Apr 29, 2015 16:42
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I cannot believe how important loving gun rights are to so many people. Like I'd understand it if it was one of several major issues but just the single issue mindset focused on the second amendment and tying every other political issue back into that one. Gay marriage has nothing to do with gun rights!
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Apr 29, 2015 16:55
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zoux posted:I cannot believe how important loving gun rights are to so many people. Like I'd understand it if it was one of several major issues but just the single issue mindset focused on the second amendment and tying every other political issue back into that one. Gay marriage has nothing to do with gun rights! Hey sometimes you and a bunch of like-minded men just want to get together and have the freedom to admire, and sometimes caress, each other's pieces. That's all.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:04
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zoux posted:I cannot believe how important loving gun rights are to so many people. Like I'd understand it if it was one of several major issues but just the single issue mindset focused on the second amendment and tying every other political issue back into that one. Gay marriage has nothing to do with gun rights! Its hilarious how much the Tea Party/NRA/GOP have twisted this issue to cover everything.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:07
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pengun101 posted:Jesus, that slogan sounds like something Palpatine would say. What is this, Moff elections. Maybe it's a Mofference.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:08
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Abortion I get because yeah if I genuinely believed the state was sanctioning the literal murder of hundreds of thousands of babies annually I'd probably be focused as gently caress on that issue but guns are basically people's hobbies. Maybe model train enthusiasts are constantly linking model train related legislation to foreign policy and we just don't see it, I have no idea 
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Apr 29, 2015 17:09
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I'm pretty sure the people who are single-issue about the 2nd Amendment don't see it as a hobby. They literally think that any second ISIS will invade/FEMA will enact martial law/the Mexicans and Blacks will rise up in glorious RaHoWa and they need the guns for when that happens.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:14
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1stGear posted:I'm pretty sure the people who are single-issue about the 2nd Amendment don't see it as a hobby. They literally think that any second ISIS will invade/FEMA will enact martial law/the Mexicans and Blacks will rise up in glorious RaHoWa and they need the guns for when that happens. These same people also think they have the tactical skills of a SWAT team or Special Forces. Its kind of funny and scary to see them do Militia drills, because they think they are just as good as actual trained response teams.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:16
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Pretty much. For a lot of the people gun rights are literally human rights. Like the ability to own a light machine gun is an unalienable right and denying people of it is actively harmful. 
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Apr 29, 2015 17:18
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Can I just say again that I'm incredibly glad that he's still my Congressman, and that my district wasn't fired up and ready for Ro? Honda randomly came upon our 8th grade class when we were visiting DC and talked to us for like 20 minutes while we were waiting to get into the viewing gallery at the capitol, he owns 
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Apr 29, 2015 17:19
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Pretty much. For a lot of the people gun rights are literally human rights. Like the ability to own a light machine gun is an unalienable right and denying people of it is actively harmful. For some, gun rights are the fundamental right on which all others rest. Like, take the libertarian view that property rights are the fundamental right and put in "and the only way to safeguard property rights is with guns."
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Apr 29, 2015 17:20
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I don't understand why these uppity gun owners are so up in arms about their rights. Before they come to us and ask for more guns to buy and more ways to carry them around- they should address the problems in the gun owning community. An alarming number of gun crimes are committed by people who possess guns. Sure, there is a difference between a responsible and irresponsible gun owner: shouldn't they prove to us they are all responsible before we allow them these rights? I mean, do they not realize its their fault that we think people with guns shoot people? They need to control their own before they should expect any protection.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:26
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Doctor Butts posted:I don't understand why these uppity gun owners are so up in arms about their rights. Before they come to us and ask for more guns to buy and more ways to carry them around- they should address the problems in the gun owning community. 
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Apr 29, 2015 17:29
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What I want to know is: what about before guns? Was every person entitled to a crossbow and before that a pike? Were assault clubs the political issue of the day back in 12000bc?
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1stGear posted:I'm pretty sure the people who are single-issue about the 2nd Amendment don't see it as a hobby. They literally think that any second ISIS will invade/FEMA will enact martial law/the Mexicans and Blacks will rise up in glorious RaHoWa and they need the guns for when that happens. No, I think the vast majority of hard gun rights activists want to preserve their right to collect guns and shoot at targets with all kinds of different guns and use the self defense stuff because the hobby argument isn't politically tenable. I don't even think it's a calculated choice, I think they legit believe in self defense, but when you talk about gun control the first thing that pops into their heads isn't roaming gangs raping their wives it's an ATF agent taking their .50 cal rifle out of their hands.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:29
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Lotka Volterra posted:What I want to know is: what about before guns? Was every person entitled to a crossbow and before that a pike? Were assault clubs the political issue of the day back in 12000bc? Ah yes the 12000 BC Constitution of the United States. A rare document indeed, but it all depends on how you interpret it.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:34
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Today my boss told me that if women don't have a gun, they're asking to be raped. I'm glad he's progressive enough to realize that it's not what they wear that makes women deserve to be raped! Um. I can't wait to find a new job.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:35
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Lotka Volterra posted:What I want to know is: what about before guns? Was every person entitled to a crossbow and before that a pike? Were assault clubs the political issue of the day back in 12000bc? Yes. Restrictions on what weapons which classes should be allowed go back a long time.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:38
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weekly font posted:Ah yes the 12000 BC Constitution of the United States. A rare document indeed, but it all depends on how you interpret it. While I get your point, there are people who conflate gun rights with human rights and not simply a feature of 18th century beliefs.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:39
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Lotka Volterra posted:While I get your point, there are people who conflate gun rights with human rights and not simply a feature of 18th century beliefs. Mr. Han posted:It is difficult to associate these horrors with the proud civilizations that created them: Sparta, Rome, The Knights of Europe, the Samurai... They worshipped strength, because it is strength that makes all other values possible. Nothing survives without it. Who knows what delicate wonders have died out of the world, for want of the strength to survive.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:43
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Lotka Volterra posted:What I want to know is: what about before guns? Was every person entitled to a crossbow and before that a pike? Were assault clubs the political issue of the day back in 12000bc? Bro the fact that only certain classes were allowed to be armed was a massive loving deal for many societies, to the point that crossbows and then guns were seen as an equalizer and disruptive to the class order.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:44
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Brannock posted:Bro the fact that only certain classes were allowed to be armed was a massive loving deal for many societies, to the point that crossbows and then guns were seen as a huge equalizer and disruptive to the class order. Yeah that's kind of the whole reason the Second Amendment was a revolutionary idea for the 18th century.
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Most everyone I work with is super conservative and/or religious but there are like 2 other liberals and even they are gigantic gun nuts to the point of immediately throwing the poor under the bus if a politician looks at their dumb toys wrong. I'm talking like an open Obama supporter who also immediately went out and bought an AR15 because of some dumb gun lobby scare tactics about them getting banned a few years back. I'm generally in favor of reducing the overall number of guns floating around society but it's not an issue I feel terribly strongly about so I like to make snide gun control comments and just see how loving long this guy will rant about how The Only Reason The Japanese Didn't Invade The United States Was The Second Ammendment or some poo poo.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:47
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Honda randomly came upon our 8th grade class when we were visiting DC and talked to us for like 20 minutes while we were waiting to get into the viewing gallery at the capitol, he owns
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Brannock posted:Bro the fact that only certain classes were allowed to be armed was a massive loving deal for many societies, to the point that crossbows and then guns were seen as an equalizer and disruptive to the class order. Good point. Maybe conflating past issues with the modern is silly since there were contemporaneous reasons for clinging desperately to the idea of arming yourself which aren't as relevant today.
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Doctor Butts posted:I don't understand why these uppity gun owners are so up in arms about their rights. Before they come to us and ask for more guns to buy and more ways to carry them around- they should address the problems in the gun owning community. I want to frame this. 
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Apr 29, 2015 17:53
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It's funny that the people most afraid of government tyranny are often the same people that want that very same government to have basically infinite military spending.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:Most everyone I work with is super conservative and/or religious but there are like 2 other liberals and even they are gigantic gun nuts to the point of immediately throwing the poor under the bus if a politician looks at their dumb toys wrong. I'm talking like an open Obama supporter who also immediately went out and bought an AR15 because of some dumb gun lobby scare tactics about them getting banned a few years back. I'm generally in favor of reducing the overall number of guns floating around society but it's not an issue I feel terribly strongly about so I like to make snide gun control comments and just see how loving long this guy will rant about how The Only Reason The Japanese Didn't Invade The United States Was The Second Ammendment or some poo poo. After the 2014 midterms, didn't a bunch of TFR posters come and post about how they're actually leftists but will vote Republican if you gently caress with their guns?
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Fellatio del Toro posted:I'm generally in favor of reducing the overall number of guns floating around society but it's not an issue I feel terribly strongly about so I like to make snide gun control comments and just see how loving long this guy will rant about how The Only Reason The Japanese Didn't Invade The United States Was The Second Ammendment or some poo poo. Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto of the Imperial Japanese Navy has been egregiously misquoted as having once said, "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Historians have discredited this quote as being totally bogus and having no attributable source. Not that that stops anyone.
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Apr 29, 2015 17:55
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My brother complains all the time that he can't buy a SCAR heavy in NY. I don't understand what drives people to think these things.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:01
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As if we needed any more reason to feel confident that neither man will ever be president.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:01
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Stultus Maximus posted:For some, gun rights are the fundamental right on which all others rest. Like, take the libertarian view that property rights are the fundamental right and put in "and the only way to safeguard property rights is with guns." This is historically a pretty common view among leftists, too. See for example: Mao Zedong posted:Every communist must grasp the truth: political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Also if we get open carry for all it'll allow for the return of the Black Panthers.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:05
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Lotka Volterra posted:Good point. Maybe conflating past issues with the modern is silly since there were contemporaneous reasons for clinging desperately to the idea of arming yourself which aren't as relevant today. Hmm yes this sounds like an entirely fair appraisal of the situation and not at all a sneering dismissal of a strawman.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:07
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:After the 2014 midterms, didn't a bunch of TFR posters come and post about how they're actually leftists but will vote Republican if you gently caress with their guns? Somewhat but also a bunch of centrists or right wingers just started posting "I loving told you!" over and over until the whole dumb argument became banned from TFR ever since the failed attempts at federal legislation. Of course some states passed various restrictions. Gun laws: whether you hate or love guns, the laws on the books are stupid as poo poo!
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mlmp08 posted:Somewhat but also a bunch of centrists or right wingers just started posting "I loving told you!" over and over until the whole dumb argument became banned from TFR ever since the failed attempts at federal legislation. Of course some states passed various restrictions. Ha, I'll give you that.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:14
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VikingofRock posted:This is historically a pretty common view among leftists, too. See for example: Lenin didn't just believe in the right to bear arms, he believed that the workers didn't have the right to not bear arms. quote:(g) For the purpose of securing the working class in the possession of complete power, and in order to eliminate all possibility of restoring the power of the exploiters, it is decreed that all workers be armed, and that a Socialist Red Army be organized and the propertied class disarmed.
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I imagine that a Republican president would have gotten some gun control stuff passed after Sandy Hook. One thing about the GOP is that they're happy to go against their core beliefs once they have control and it's politically expedient. With most of the country approving of background checks, I imagine it would have been billed as "common sense" gun control and passed with bipartisan support. but people who vote based on guns are loving idiots so they just keep pulling the GOP lever
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The people who think that their AR-15 is going to stop a government overthrow seem to not understand modern combat hint: get anti air guns. It's so dumb if you legit thought that the 2nd amendment was your last line of defense and you already thought the government was tyrannical why spend more on the military. To be fair their is some truth to it you kinda of do need a gently caress you button but your AR-15 against jets aren't it.
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