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redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

The Question IRL posted:

It may be a human reaction, but it's not a good reaction for police officers.
Maybe...maybe these characters...are being portrayed as fallible?! :monocle:

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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

mind the walrus posted:


It also helps a lot if you realize that Moore was trying to launch Top 10 as an ongoing at ABC Comics in the early 00s to be picked up and shared with other writers, which is why he bailed without characters like Joe Pi getting any sort of comeuppance. The problem is that Moore and Ha were probably too successful in creating their world because frankly most other writers/artists can't match that level of sheer imagination and visual density, especially after Moore capitalized on big ideas like multiple universes and the JLA so early. The Top 10 follow-up books were nowhere near as good and are justly forgotten, and so the end of "good" Top 10--shortly after the Joe Pi scene--is largely left hanging.

"Top Ten: Beyond the Farthest Precinct", by Paul di Filippo, was kind of mediocre but at least came to a proper conclusion.

"Top Ten: Season Two", by Zander Cannon, was quite good but stops mid-story.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
The best that can be said for the writing on display is that it's hard to distinguish it from Ennis.

Cryophage
Jan 14, 2012

what the hell is that creepy cartoon thing in your avatar?


Kill Six Billion Demons

This wasn't the most badass panel to post, just the easiest to animate

Dr. MonkeyThunder
Sep 21, 2005

All is, if i have grace to use it so...

Ashcans posted:

Related, a girl who talked her friend into killing himself has recently been charged with involuntary manslaughter. So I guess we're going to find out.

Her role was much more involved, allegedly he had doubts and got out of the car he was gassing himself in, and she explicitly told him to get back in. So Joe probably played it close enough that it would be unlikely for anyone to decide to try to make charges stick.

If she actually told him to commit suicide that's a different animal. That could be considered coercing or even forcing him to do it, possibly with implied threat. Reguardless of intent, Joe literally told him not to harm himself.

The Question IRL posted:

Joe Pi phrased the conversation in such a way that Atomman would voluntarily kill himself rather than face justice.

The distinction that I don't think you're getting is that Joe couldn't say anything that was guaranteed to cause Atomman's death, he could only make intelligent guesses on what would increase the likelihood. At the end of the day the decision to die was Atomman's and his alone. Making anyone that told a potential suicide bad news criminally liable for their death would be an incredibly dangerous legal precedent especially if it happens to be true. Truth is usually an absolute defense in the few cases where free speech otherwise might not apply(it's illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater, but not if it's on fire).

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
I don't think he is recognizing a distinction because there doesn't really seem to be one. In both cases the decision is still the person doing the act, so it just seems like the only reason a distinction exists, is because you want one.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

The Question IRL posted:

It may be a human reaction, but it's not a good reaction for police officers.

Oh lord loving help you if you find out what real police officers have been up to in the last month alone.

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Cryophage posted:



Kill Six Billion Demons

This wasn't the most badass panel to post, just the easiest to animate

Also reading this.
It is badass.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
If you hadn't told me the name of that comic I would've assumed it was some kind of glorious tribute to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

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Fair enough but I think the point is that the police officers are also human beings with human feelings (yes even the robot). When Irma's partner dies and she goes on the rampage it is because she is feeling human grief. When they really want the pedophile creep dude to pay for his crimes it is because they are feeling human anger. Maybe sometime in the future in the real world we can have a police force that is void of human emotions but what the comic book is trying to show is that these characters have human emotions that dictate their decisions.
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Oh I fully understand that police forces are staffed by people and not lawbots, but the idea of institutions such as the police or the courts is that they are expected to operate to a higher standard.

And yes that job can be very hard and deal with some deeply unpleasant material. But they shouldn't get a pass for using substandard methods or excessive force because the officer was really annoyed.

Just by way of comparison, from a similar scene from The Original Writer. In the Killing Joke after being tortured for days by the Joker, when Batman frees him look at what he says to him.
"We take him in. By the book!"

That to me is more badass because after what he endured, it would be perfectly understandable for Gordon to want personal revenge on the Joker. Instead he puts his personal feelings aside to focus on his professional duty.
It may not be as pithy or as carthic as the Joe PI example, but it is the higher standard we should expect out of our fictional law enforcement personal.

darthbob88 posted:

Yeah, in the first panel I posted there, Officer Wornow points out that he'd probably live to be 300 years old, and between appeals/paroles/pillar-of-the-community, he'd be out in 15.

Okay child sex abuse is a very unpleasant crime and people have very strong views about what the appropriate punishment is. (Whole life terms. The death penalty. Do you give up on the prospects of rehabilitation. )
But Atoman wasn't getting just a fine or community service. He was about to be caught.
At the very least he was about to endure a very public trial where many details of his personal life would be dragged into the light.
His reputation would be gone.
Even assuming that the police are right about him getting "only" a 15 year sentence. (And that can be the officer being pessimistic. Guessing the sentence for a crime is never an accurate art.)
That is a long sentence for a guy with no super powers and he's got a whole load of enemies.
Prison officers who go to jail get treated EXTREMELY badly by other inmates.
Child sex abusers get treated awfully by other inmates.
Combine the two (as Joe PI was saying) and a jail sentence for Atoman may as well have been a death sentence, or something akin to that.
Either way, it's a decision for the courts. Not for a copbot to bypass the Justice system.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Batman #40

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Say Nothing posted:

Also reading this.
It is badass.

Kill six billion Demons is absolutely badass.
And also it's writer is absolutely insane in that special sort of writer way.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl


Snyder is the worst Joker writer probably ever. Even the Red Hood One dialogue was by far the worst part of Zero Year which otherwise was one of my favorite Batman stories.

Anora
Feb 16, 2014

I fuckin suck!🪠
Joker's face in that second to last panel is all kinds of hosed up.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Cryophage posted:



Kill Six Billion Demons

This wasn't the most badass panel to post, just the easiest to animate

You should send that to the writer, if you ain't already.

On a side note, I know I have heard these sayings-"Kill six billion demons, become one", "Kill six billion demons, become a god", "Reach Heaven by Violence" before. In religion or philosophy. Yet the major thing that comes up on a search is the comic.

Am I going mad?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.



Since when does Joker have sick acrobatic skills? Is everyone just Spider-man now?

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Anora posted:

Joker's face in that second to last panel is all kinds of hosed up.

You should see Bruce's in a few more pages

Senor Candle
Nov 5, 2008

Travis343 posted:

Snyder is the worst Joker writer probably ever. Even the Red Hood One dialogue was by far the worst part of Zero Year which otherwise was one of my favorite Batman stories.

Naw I like this Joker much much more than Death of the Family.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

Senor Candle posted:

Naw I like this Joker much much more than Death of the Family.

That's not a super high bar to clear, amigo.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band
I hope Superman comes along and really humilates the Joker. :mad:

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW

Bloodly posted:

You should send that to the writer, if you ain't already.

On a side note, I know I have heard these sayings-"Kill six billion demons, become one", "Kill six billion demons, become a god", "Reach Heaven by Violence" before. In religion or philosophy. Yet the major thing that comes up on a search is the comic.

Am I going mad?

Apparently "Reach heaven through violence" is originally from the Book of Law by Aleister Crowley. It got adopted into the lore of Morrowind, as part of the 36 Teachings of Vivec. The K6BD author has said he pulled a lot of inspiration from the Teachings of Vivec.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

Bloodly posted:

"Reach Heaven by Violence"

Is a reference to Morrowind.

You have to do a long quest for a god to advance the main plot. Or you could just simply kill the god, and he himself tells you this through that riddle

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Lurdiak posted:

Since when does Joker have sick acrobatic skills? Is everyone just Spider-man now?

God knows. Even Dark Knight Returns had Joker being smart more than a fighter, though he did break his own neck, which is....work.

It's like [whoever] saw Injustice and decided 'I want Joker to work like this'. It's....not the worst, I guess, but it misses the point. He's not the Clown Prince of Crime by being a thug, even if he's very capable of random, shocking violence meted out arbitrarily.

Senor Candle
Nov 5, 2008
He has been drinking some weird healing stuff(which is also why his face is reattached btw) and I think it has enhanced him in some ways.

Trast
Oct 20, 2010

Three games, thousands of playthroughs. 90% of the players don't know I exist. Still a redhead saving the galaxy with a [Right Hook].

:edi:

So the Joker is faster than Batman now? Along with being some sort of super-genius?

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

I think being suddenly cartoonishly springy and acrobatic out of nowhere suits the character.

Senor Candle posted:

He has been drinking some healing thing called Dionesium which is why his face is attached and probably the reason he is able to physically match Bruce for a bit. Not to mention Bruce isn't really at the top of his game at that moment.

That's the weak part. The whole arc had been focused on the unknowability of the Joker, and it was ridiculous and spooky and fun, but at the end they explain away everything with magic water.

I did like the excessive violence, though, which is what this thread's about :)

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Apr 29, 2015

Senor Candle
Nov 5, 2008
He has been drinking some healing thing called Dionesium which is why his face is attached and probably the reason he is able to physically match Bruce for a bit. Not to mention Bruce isn't really at the top of his game at that moment.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
Nothing badass has happened (yet), but it looks like Necropolis will be posting again on a weekly schedule, later to be collected by Image.

http://jakewyattriot.tumblr.com/post/117720280778/necropolis

You can read it all here.
http://jakewyattriot.tumblr.com/tagged/necropolispage/chrono

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Bloodly posted:

God knows. Even Dark Knight Returns had Joker being smart more than a fighter, though he did break his own neck, which is....work.

It's like [whoever] saw Injustice and decided 'I want Joker to work like this'. It's....not the worst, I guess, but it misses the point. He's not the Clown Prince of Crime by being a thug, even if he's very capable of random, shocking violence meted out arbitrarily.

MK vs DC wasn't a particularly good game but the fighting style they made for Joker was perfect: a combination of really annoying low-damage slapstick, rhythm-breaking and space-controlling prank gags turned up to 11 and the occasional string of savage punishment out of nowhere. It was the essence of the character in videogame format.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

Uthor posted:

Nothing badass has happened (yet), but it looks like Necropolis will be posting again on a weekly schedule, later to be collected by Image.

http://jakewyattriot.tumblr.com/post/117720280778/necropolis

You can read it all here.
http://jakewyattriot.tumblr.com/tagged/necropolispage/chrono

Yesssssss

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
Badass Panels Thread: Here's why your post is not in fact Badass

Everything Counts
Oct 10, 2012

Don't "shhh!" me, you rich bastard!
So when did Joker learn that Bruce is Batman? How many villains is that now who have figured out his identity?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Everything Counts posted:

So when did Joker learn that Bruce is Batman? How many villains is that now who have figured out his identity?

Joker's kinda always known, I think? He just has no interest in the 'mask' of Bruce.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Everything Counts posted:

So when did Joker learn that Bruce is Batman? How many villains is that now who have figured out his identity?

I did like how it was handled with the Riddler. Paraphrased:

Riddler: I know that Bruce Wayne is Batman, and I'm gonna tell everyone unless you work for me from now on :smug:
Batman: Here's a riddle for you.... what use is a riddle when everybody knows the answer?
Riddler: I... uhh... I..... :aaa:
Batman: That's right, you ain't telling nobody poo poo :clint:

Everything Counts
Oct 10, 2012

Don't "shhh!" me, you rich bastard!

Jerusalem posted:

I did like how it was handled with the Riddler. Paraphrased:

Riddler: I know that Bruce Wayne is Batman, and I'm gonna tell everyone unless you work for me from now on :smug:
Batman: Here's a riddle for you.... what use is a riddle when everybody knows the answer?
Riddler: I... uhh... I..... :aaa:
Batman: That's right, you ain't telling nobody poo poo :clint:

Yeah, that was a great sequence. Too bad it got undone by.... what was it, magic amnesia-inducing cancer?

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
Scrooge was kind to a stranger and the dude robbed him, leaving him stranded in the plains of Africa.





:clint:

Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck #6

Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?
Been a while since I read Life and Times, but would that stranger's initials happen to be F.G.?

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine

Redeye Flight posted:

Been a while since I read Life and Times, but would that stranger's initials happen to be F.G.?

Yes they would. He even had the terrible beard as a young jerk, as I recall.

haitfais
Aug 7, 2005

I am offended by your ham, sir.
Sorry, what is F.G., and will I be embarassed I didn't catch it when you tell me?

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darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

Chaos Hippy posted:

Sorry, what is F.G., and will I be embarassed I didn't catch it when you tell me?

Flintheart Glomgold. I haven't read any of the Scrooge comics in a while, but if memory serves he was basically Nega-Scrooge, the second richest duck in the world and always seeking to become first, through cheating and unfair dealing if necessary.

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