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The Scorpion and the Frog thing is related to the problem of characters not knowing about/understanding things they totally should but them being clueless and asking about it lets another character explain it to the audience. See: every episode of Law and Order SVU
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For some reason whenever I hear the Scorpion and the Frog come up I think of KoTH's Tiger and Strawberry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45hM7iAkjk8 Oh the mangled retellings throughout the episode 
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Apr 28, 2015 22:51
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Arrath posted:For some reason whenever I hear the Scorpion and the Frog come up I think of KoTH's Tiger and Strawberry Owns
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Apr 28, 2015 22:57
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Arrath posted:For some reason whenever I hear the Scorpion and the Frog come up I think of KoTH's Tiger and Strawberry Hahaha, I somehow never saw this episode.
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Apr 28, 2015 23:00
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Arrath posted:For some reason whenever I hear the Scorpion and the Frog come up I think of KoTH's Tiger and Strawberry ...and that was the sweetest gulp of Gatorade he ever had.
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Apr 29, 2015 00:23
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Mister Nobody posted:That's usually referred to as the Baader Meinhoff phenomenon. When you finally learn about a thing or concept and then start taking notice of mentions or references to it. What does it have to do with far left terrorist factions?
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Apr 29, 2015 00:41
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My Lovely Horse posted:That's called frequency illusion Is this why you feel like you always see street lights burning out?
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Apr 29, 2015 01:13
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Light Gun Man posted:Is this why you feel like you always see street lights burning out? Yes. It is also an observational bias. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetlight_effect
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Apr 29, 2015 01:19
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I meant more like this article that one links to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_light_interference_phenomenon But thanks! I always wanted to actually read something about this instead of just have conversations about it while driving.
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Apr 29, 2015 01:34
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Light Gun Man posted:I meant more like this article that one links to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_light_interference_phenomenon Yeah that's the schizo side of it. Seems like it belongs here http://www.gangstalkingwiki.com/
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Apr 29, 2015 01:39
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syscall girl posted:Yeah that's the schizo side of it.  Is this just un-medicated schizophrenia, or something? Because
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Apr 29, 2015 11:21
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Jonathan Yeah! posted:
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Apr 29, 2015 11:41
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syscall girl posted:Yeah that's the schizo side of it. "The main idea of this website is that gang stalkers are a secret society. If they were not a very sinister secret society, then I should frequently find people who admit that they are or have been gang stalkers." The sound at the start of this link immediately played in my head
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Apr 29, 2015 12:41
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syscall girl posted:Yeah that's the schizo side of it. quote:In theory everyone can participate in gang stalking, but, in the real world, if someone decides that someone has to be stalked, then he gives his name to the Freemasons. Even in seemingly simple cases like bullying they work like this. Bullies are trained by parents who are Freemasons. I think he misspelled "Illuminati"
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Apr 29, 2015 12:43
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Frostwerks posted:What does it have to do with far left terrorist factions? Some dude learned about Baader-Meinhof and then started noticing references to them, so he named the phenomenon after them. I think Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon sounds cooler than frequency illusion. And yeah, gang stalking is a lot like Morgellons where people are convinced they have bugs under their skin.
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Apr 29, 2015 14:15
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wyoming posted:And yeah, gang stalking is a lot like Morgellons where people are convinced they have bugs under their skin. Isn't Morgellons the one where they think they have hard fibers growing in their body or whatever? I think the bugs thing is delusional parasitosis.
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wyoming posted:Some dude learned about Baader-Meinhof and then started noticing references to them, so he named the phenomenon after them. I think Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon sounds cooler than frequency illusion. ...that's the stupidest poo poo I've ever heard. Not you personally, but holy poo poo.
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I really don't understand the end to MIB3. J is fighting the bad guy on a gantry, gets shot a bunch and then jumps off said gantry with the bad guy. On the way down he turns on the time machine which takes him back like a minute but instead of just going back in time it resets everything? J isn't injured and the bad guy is back where he started. Then the whole scene plays out again but J is able to dodge the attacks for some reason like everything is playing back exactly the same. Also I guess the movie thinks everyone will be okay with K murdering the bad guy after he surrenders?
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:Isn't Morgellons the one where they think they have hard fibers growing in their body or whatever? I think the bugs thing is delusional parasitosis. Yes, it is. Joni Mitchell has it.
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Apr 30, 2015 13:24
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muscles like this? posted:I really don't understand the end to MIB3. J is fighting the bad guy on a gantry, gets shot a bunch and then jumps off said gantry with the bad guy. On the way down he turns on the time machine which takes him back like a minute but instead of just going back in time it resets everything? J isn't injured and the bad guy is back where he started. Then the whole scene plays out again but J is able to dodge the attacks for some reason like everything is playing back exactly the same. That was a little weird to me, too. It didn't send him back in time, it just rewound it. So everything does play out the same, which is why he can dodge everything. Come on, time machine movies! Get yer tech straight! And I don't exactly think that the MiB has a particularly lenient outlook on aliens who attempt to destroy Earth, not to mention all the other planets that evil fleet would've consumed.
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Apr 30, 2015 13:39
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Except by then they had closed the loop. Time had been corrected and his future version was stopped. They could have just let it play all out again where he goes to prison and then goes back and J stops him.
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Apr 30, 2015 13:53
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When he first uses it he does end up standing in the same spot so it's consistent about that much, I guess.
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muscles like this? posted:Except by then they had closed the loop. Time had been corrected and his future version was stopped. They could have just let it play all out again where he goes to prison and then goes back and J stops him. I mean, yeah, they could have. But this fucker killed K (sort of), was responsible for the destruction of Earth (again, sort of), and was going to do it again. I don't think they had much respect for space law at that point. I mean, these guys are more like the space NSA when it comes to being 'legal' and stuff.
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I thought it was lame how in Guardians of the Galaxy the heroes are able to hold on to the deadly macguffin and fry the bad guy with it, and the message we get is that teamwork and resolve save the day, only for the next scene to tell us that the hero lived because of his mysterious alien ancestry. It reminds of the later, crappier Harry Potter books where we learn that the sword of Gryffindor can destroy evil Horcruxes, not because it's an heirloom that symbolises good and bravery, but because it's filled with Horcrux killing juice. I think there's a name for this brand of Fan-Wank, where symbolic stuff gets the symbolism ripped out of it for the sake of nerds.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I thought it was lame how in Guardians of the Galaxy the heroes are able to hold on to the deadly macguffin and fry the bad guy with it, and the message we get is that teamwork and resolve save the day, only for the next scene to tell us that the hero lived because of his mysterious alien ancestry. Starwarsification?
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Inspector Gesicht posted:It reminds of the later, crappier Harry Potter books where we learn that the sword of Gryffindor can destroy evil Horcruxes, not because it's an heirloom that symbolises good and bravery When did they ever say this? The sword never destroyed one in the second one, as it was always the snake venom.
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TaurusTorus posted:Starwarsification? Midichlorians, yeah. I'd just call it "over-explanation" which is a huge problem in sci-fi. You tell me there's a "warp core", cool, I can go with that. You tell me the warp core uses dilithium crystals, well, you better have a reason for picking dilithium. The more you mention the more you have to be able to explain or back up. The less you explain the better. I always go back to Ghost in the Shell as one of my favorite examples of doing sci-fi properly. They drop the story in-media-res and they never attempt to explain anything about the technology. Because it isn't important! All you need to know is that people can have synthetic cyborg bodies now and that people's brains can be transferred into a synthetic brain case, but there's some part of spiritual "ghost" to it which seperates cyborgs from robots. Then they never say anything else about it, because anything else they explained would just be wrong because we haven't yet figured out how that brain stuff works or even if it will be possible. Writers aren't better at science than scientists, so they shouldn't try. Just give me a black box symbol and leave the rest of it unknown.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I thought it was lame how in Guardians of the Galaxy the heroes are able to hold on to the deadly macguffin and fry the bad guy with it, and the message we get is that teamwork and resolve save the day, only for the next scene to tell us that the hero lived because of his mysterious alien ancestry. It was both. He wasn't instantly obliterated because he's part-alien, but he would have died anyway if the others didn't help.
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TaurusTorus posted:Starwarsification? It's one of the things David Lynch gets right, present something with no explanation and let the viewer fill in the blanks with their own imagination. Sometimes it fails badly, but sometimes it really hits that sweet spot.
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Got sick on alcohol this weekend and binged about a season of Deadwood. If they're going to violate history by having everyone be hot as gently caress they might as well have kept Wild Bill around for more than like three episodes.
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ElGroucho posted:It's one of the things David Lynch gets right, present something with no explanation and let the viewer fill in the blanks with their own imagination. Sometimes it fails badly, but sometimes it really hits that sweet spot. On the other hand that can go just as wrong if you aren't careful. LOST is a good example of not explaining things so the audience can fill them in themselves.... but then never actually bothering to come up with something coherent and ultimately writing yourself into a wall. Ideally it should feel like the author knows the answer but he just isn't sharing it.
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Zaphod42 posted:On the other hand that can go just as wrong if you aren't careful. LOST is a good example of not explaining things so the audience can fill them in themselves.... but then never actually bothering to come up with something coherent and ultimately writing yourself into a wall. SNL did the same skit twice, fifteen years apart. They had jack from lost, and Kyle MacLachlan from twin peaks, in an elevator while the cast mostly as themselves needle them about hey what's the big secret? are you guys just makin' it up as you go along or do you have a plan? The beleaguered actor good-naturedly reassures them that they have a plot, and they know where they're going. Kind of crazy how one was right and the other was wrong. And in the lost one they directly asked him if everyone was dead and actually in purgatory the whole time and he swore up and down that no they would never do something so stupid and that's literally how the show ended.
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Krinkle posted:And in the lost one they directly asked him if everyone was dead and actually in purgatory the whole time and he swore up and down that no they would never do something so stupid and that's literally how the show ended. Except they weren't dead and in purgatory the whole time. Lost had its problems yeah, but it still astounds me how many people are still confused about that part of the finale. Edit: VVVVVVVV I'm one of the people who believed the producers when they said they had an explanation/plan for everything, but I'm not disappointed at all that they were full of it, just because the show slowly became so bat-poo poo insane and entertaining, it almost felt like a troll to the audience. Eh! Frank has a new favorite as of 23:13 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Krinkle posted:SNL did the same skit twice, fifteen years apart. They had jack from lost, and Kyle MacLachlan from twin peaks, in an elevator while the cast mostly as themselves needle them about hey what's the big secret? are you guys just makin' it up as you go along or do you have a plan? The beleaguered actor good-naturedly reassures them that they have a plot, and they know where they're going. Kind of crazy how one was right and the other was wrong. Hah, I saw the Jack from Lost skit but I missed the Twin Peaks one. Hey, LOST ended with a battle between good and evil, using a pirate ship wheel that turned back time and saved the universe. That's totally different! I still laugh when I think about the smoke monster. "Don't worry; its not magic! We'll totally explain how it works later" 
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Zaphod42 posted:On the other hand that can go just as wrong if you aren't careful. LOST is a good example of not explaining things so the audience can fill them in themselves.... but then never actually bothering to come up with something coherent and ultimately writing yourself into a wall. This isn't movies but I loved how Iain M. Banks did it in his Culture novels. It's all perfectly plausible up to the point where us normal humans could understand, and all the really advanced tech was invented by smug AI minds who would at most use some vague metaphors and stuff because we wouldn't understand anyway. You'd have ship computers literally talk down to humans asking questions they wouldn't understand the answer to, like a rocket scientist would to a 6 year old. Or one of my favourite bits: the AI of a ship showing it's passengers seemingly real time footage of the spacebattle it was engaged in, and when the passenger understandably freaks out they're told to relax, it's all an extremely slowed down replay, the actual battle only took like half a second.
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sassassin posted:Rude. You're thinking of the blind mentor guy reaching towards the bedroom and screaming "Silk sheets?? Really??" from the living room. I got no problem with that though, to be so attuned you can feel the microscopic particles in the air from things like bandages or silk or the smell of tools or whatever is fine: you do that. What I don't get is WHY Murdock pretends to be blind? His first day of college: no one knows him, his family is dead, Foggy is meeting him for the very first time: why be blind? Just walk in all "Hey duders, totally not blind guy here. See how I move about the room normally? High five for working eyes!" In an episode he walks out onto the street and starts following a guy while tapping his cane, who is that for? I like the show though, it makes it clear that Da Red Evil's REAL power is being able to get totally wailed on and still get up, that, even with all his super senses, he still has trouble focussing (or sorting through the stimuli) so he's still handicapped, and I really like that when he's around people he "acts" blind (doing things that feeling for tables or doorframes etc) but when he's not he doesn't.
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Taeke posted:This isn't movies but I loved how Iain M. Banks did it in his Culture novels. It's all perfectly plausible up to the point where us normal humans could understand, and all the really advanced tech was invented by smug AI minds who would at most use some vague metaphors and stuff because we wouldn't understand anyway. You'd have ship computers literally talk down to humans asking questions they wouldn't understand the answer to, like a rocket scientist would to a 6 year old. That's really cool. It also reminds me of Watchmen's brilliant subversion of the expected evil genius trope. He sits there explaining everything he's going to do, and the rest of the Watchmen are all "we're not going to let you do this!"  The look on their faces after he says "I did it 35 minutes ago" is just so loving great. Like pure  Man that sex scene in the watchmen movie to "Hallelujah" was loving awful though.
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He'd still be blind, because he can't see poo poo. Dude has literally no vision. He can't read print without using his fingers, he can't see a cell phone screen.
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Duke Igthorn posted:You're thinking of the blind mentor guy reaching towards the bedroom and screaming "Silk sheets?? Really??" from the living room. I figured the 'pretend i cant see poo poo' act was to throw people off, nobody expects to be followed by a blind dude tapping his cane around, and it works great as a cover / alias; that vigilante dude can't possibly be blind lawyer guy cos he can clearly see everything just fine as vigilante dude. I know he all gets outed later in the marvel universe but for now it kinda fits.
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Zaphod42 posted:Man that sex scene in the watchmen movie to "Hallelujah" was loving awful though. I thought that was the point. The Watchmen are hosed up, broken people. Edit: is Matt Murdock not being blind a real thing? If so, why bother calling him Daredevil since that's his entire thing. Aleph Null has a new favorite as of 00:05 on May 1, 2015 |
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