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Omnishambles posted:This is an obviously apparent question but I have to ask. How "easy" is it for one to break one's spine. My gut reaction is it's 'really, really hard' to 'neigh impossible'. At least, in a van. I am pretty sure even approaching the amount of force necessary for he himself to do it he'd probably knock himself unconscious first.
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When he's been arrested and beaten for no reason, the black man's natural response is to flail about madly in order to injure himself. He does this because his life's purpose is, above all else, to inconvenience the white man and blame him for things, and when injured and in handcuffs he has no other way to reach this goal.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:29
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Like, I'm pretty sure the only way he'd be able to sever his own spine in the situation he was in is somehow forcing the back door of the transport open and throwing himself onto a curb while it was travelling at high speed.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:30
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Even Geraldo rejected the "suicide by van wall" theory from the Washington Post as an absurd premise. Which is why he went with "asthma." Geraldo is practical.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:32
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Someone just lock Geraldo in the vault and throw away the key.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:33
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STAC Goat posted:Geraldo just said that he thinks Freddie Gray had an asthmatic seizure which caused him to thrash around in the van and break his neck. loving what
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Apr 30, 2015 19:33
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Omnishambles posted:This is an obviously apparent question but I have to ask. How "easy" is it for one to break one's spine. My gut reaction is it's 'really, really hard' to 'neigh impossible'. At least, in a van. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-03-26/news/bal-md.johnson26mar26_1_officers-johnson-seat-belt It's pretty difficult to do it to yourself, but it's not that hard for a cop to do it for you.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:34
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Lemming posted:http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-03-26/news/bal-md.johnson26mar26_1_officers-johnson-seat-belt How hospitable.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:38
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Was it his back or like his neck? Cuz that doesn't seem to hard to gently caress up.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:39
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1stGear posted:loving what I once saw a movie once where a girl possessed by demons seized so hard she broke her spine. I then based my entire life view around this.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:41
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FNC reporter Leland Vittert was "attacked"* by Al Sharpton and the Mayor when he was "just asking questions." I expect this will get a lot of play on Fox News as the day goes on. I'm sure Hannity won't stand for this abuse of his top bitch who does all his dirty work this week since Sean ain't going anywhere near Baltimore. *Dude was chasing them asking questions, Sharpton kept saying "wait for the press conference", some aid/bodyguard/whatever put himself in between the Mayor and Vittert, and Vittert acted like he had just been shot. I need to stop watching mid-day Fox News. I can't help myself.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:43
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Omnishambles posted:This is an obviously apparent question but I have to ask. How "easy" is it for one to break one's spine. My gut reaction is it's 'really, really hard' to 'neigh impossible'. At least, in a van. There was a neurosurgeon, a spine surgeon, from Baltimore (not someone who took care of Gray) being interviewed about this topic one one of the cable news networks, either CNN or MSNBC. While he didn't want to speculate on the specific case, he did note that of the thousands of spinal cord injuries in the neck every year, the huge majority are motor vehicle accidents, falls and trauma inflicted by others. He said documented cases of people inflicting a paralyzing spinal cord injury on themselves was extremely rare and he could only think of one case report from Japan from the early 2000s, not that there aren't more that aren't reported, but that the incidence of known cases is vanishingly rare.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:49
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He didn't self-inflict a fatal neck injury on himself and everyone knows it. Incidents similar to Freddie Gray's occurred in Baltimore years ago. Nickel rides are an "unsanctioned technique" BPD has used numerous times.quote:The most sensational case in Baltimore involved Johnson, a 43-year-old plumber who was arrested for public urination. He was handcuffed and placed in a transport van in good health. He emerged a quadriplegic. They even used the same "he threw himself around and broke his own neck" story 19 years ago.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:06
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Zwabu posted:There was a neurosurgeon, a spine surgeon, from Baltimore (not someone who took care of Gray) being interviewed about this topic one one of the cable news networks, either CNN or MSNBC. While he didn't want to speculate on the specific case, he did note that of the thousands of spinal cord injuries in the neck every year, the huge majority are motor vehicle accidents, falls and trauma inflicted by others. He said documented cases of people inflicting a paralyzing spinal cord injury on themselves was extremely rare and he could only think of one case report from Japan from the early 2000s, not that there aren't more that aren't reported, but that the incidence of known cases is vanishingly rare. "So you're saying there's a chance?" Rhesus Pieces posted:He didn't self-inflict a fatal neck injury on himself and everyone knows it. Incidents similar to Freddie Gray's occurred in Baltimore years ago. Nickel rides are an "unsanctioned technique" BPD has used numerous times. That's one of the frustrating aspects of this. We know it's bullshit, the police know we know it's bullshit, in their hearts the police defenders know it's bullshit. However the system is set up so that it doesn't matter. It would almost be refreshing to just have them admit to being killers and walking off scot free than insulting our intelligence. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 20:09
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What I find really incredible is that these people completely and totally ignore the fact that "so poorly restrained that a spine break is possible" would be an incredible amount of negligence. So even if the police didn't outright murder the guy they're still on the hook for it no matter what.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:27
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ToxicSlurpee posted:What I find really incredible is that these people completely and totally ignore the fact that "so poorly restrained that a spine break is possible" would be an incredible amount of negligence. So even if the police didn't outright murder the guy they're still on the hook for it no matter what. Well that's just an oppsie. No malicious intent there, you see, so you shouldn't be too harsh on those police officers. I'm sure they've learned their lesson. You know, this time.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:32
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They are coming at this from any angle that might exonerate the police since they desperately need to believe that it wasn't their fault and also the guy deserved it. The breaking his own spine story is obviously absurd, but so was John Crawford pointing a bb gun at children in a walmart or Mike Brown charging at an armed police officer. It doesn't matter to our legal system how absolutely unbelievable a story about killing an unarmed black man is if you are the police, you just need one. Anything that lets them have piece of mind that American police aren't maniacs is all they need and if an "anonymous source within the department" had reason to believe a unicorn had stepped on his neck and then flown off before the cops could intervene they would latch on to that and the grand jury would fail to indict.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:He didn't self-inflict a fatal neck injury on himself and everyone knows it. Incidents similar to Freddie Gray's occurred in Baltimore years ago. Nickel rides are an "unsanctioned technique" BPD has used numerous times. Tort reform works. (loving hang every single last one of these motherfuckers)
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Apr 30, 2015 20:32
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What is galling to me is the idea that the police don't even owe Gray's family or the public any kind of story about what happened. You apprehend a guy and take him into custody. By the time you arrive at the station he's so badly injured he's near death, and he in fact dies in the hospital. You basically roll up and dump the guy's body in front of the hospital like gang bangers would, and you have nothing at all to say about what happened? I understand individuals have rights to remain silent etc. and to plead the 5th, but do public institutions like the police, entrusted with maintaining public safety, have that right? It's like if I took a patient back to surgery for a routine hernia repair, and brought the patient back to the family dead and they also happen to be missing their head and a hand, and their legs are broken. When asked for an explanation of what happened I say "I can't comment about that, there's an ongoing investigation that may take months to complete. You'll have to get a statement from my lawyer in the meantime". The officers who detained Gray did in fact make statements to police on the day of the incident, at least 5 out of 6 of them did, I believe. Even if their statements turn out to be total bullshit, why is the public and Gray's family not entitled to hear the account of just what the gently caress happened?
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Apr 30, 2015 21:29
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Geraldo in the act of slithering. https://www.facebook.com/benjaminjhancock/videos/10153188750410590/?fref=nf
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Apr 30, 2015 21:51
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Von Sloneker posted:Geraldo in the act of slithering. a black man can raise his voice and you dont need to be intimidated that exact problem is what drives fox news lmao
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Apr 30, 2015 21:54
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It's hard to be graceful in the face of confrontation, but the way he just do-si-dos around aimlessly with a forced grin on his face is hilarious. You can practically see the thought process, "I can ignore this guy, just pretend this isn't happening and walk away and oh god I may have to acknowledge this guy"
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Apr 30, 2015 22:08
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Zwabu posted:I understand individuals have rights to remain silent etc. and to plead the 5th, but do public institutions like the police, entrusted with maintaining public safety, have that right?
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Apr 30, 2015 22:09
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God bless that clip because Fox News has been airing a 5 second clip that makes Geraldo look like a strong guy standing up to an angry black man. Its awesome to see the 2 minutes the guy was eloquent and thoughtful while Geraldo ran away. It sort of brings me some joy to know that Geraldo's life sucks right now. I just watched him suck wind trying to keep up with Carmelo Anthony in a march and barely able to get out his "What do you think of me and Fox News being here?" to the person who doesn't want to talk to him. From watching the way he and Leland Vittert is interacting with Baltimore residents I think Fox News may be more hated than the BPD. Fox News is super obvious when you watch them for a few hours. Every host is hitting the same obvious note that makes it clear what their approach on this story will be. They seem to have given up on arguing that Freddie's death wasn't wrong but much like they pushed Eric Gardner from "police abuse" to "the evils of taxing cigarettes" they're trying to move the focus completely off the BPD and onto the Mayor and "decades" of Democrat policy failing the people. Welfare killed Freddie Gray.
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Apr 30, 2015 22:38
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Nintendo Kid posted:It's only easy to do if you've got like a motorcycle and a death wish, or you strategically weakened a structure's supports and got in the right position. Or if you sneeze aggressively in the back of a police vehicle. STAC Goat posted:FNC reporter Leland Vittert was "attacked"* by Al Sharpton and the Mayor when he was "just asking questions." I expect this will get a lot of play on Fox News as the day goes on. I'm sure Hannity won't stand for this abuse of his top bitch who does all his dirty work this week since Sean ain't going anywhere near Baltimore. I hope it's half as good as Crowder's "assault" at the hands of union thugs.
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Apr 30, 2015 22:41
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Sir Tonk posted:I hope it's half as good as Crowder's "assault" at the hands of union thugs. 0:48 for the shocking moment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugcPnlAQMDU Also, there was an awesome moment on The Five when Geraldo interviewed Russell Simmons only to realize it was just a different black guy. Watching Geraldo confuse black people for other black people is almost as fun as watching him try to talk to people and have them ignore him and want nothing to do with him and Fox News. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 22:46
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STAC Goat posted:God bless that clip because Fox News has been airing a 5 second clip that makes Geraldo look like a strong guy standing up to an angry black man. Its awesome to see the 2 minutes the guy was eloquent and thoughtful while Geraldo ran away. Exactly. I love how once the FOX camera was on Geraldo suddenly became a tough guy.
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Apr 30, 2015 22:54
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Yes hello I am an Imgur/redditor and I can't get enough of that hot hot police cock mmmnnnrgrrglgrgllgllll also why can't the blacks just pull themselves together instead asking for it by being so uppity all the time?? http://imgur.com/gallery/VATK187/comment/406951224/1
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Apr 30, 2015 22:57
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STAC Goat posted:0:48 for the shocking moment. He was so ready to get in trouble and make a scene. "WOAH WOAH WOAH!" when the guy lightly pushes him away.
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Apr 30, 2015 23:07
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I don't know guys. I saw the Joker break his own spine in The Dark Knight Returns in order to frame Batman. And that way back in 1996. Self spine breaking advances have surely been made. Makes you think.
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Apr 30, 2015 23:08
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STAC Goat posted:0:48 for the shocking moment. That was close, he almost caught the black 
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Von Sloneker posted:Geraldo in the act of slithering. Holy poo poo he went into DAMAGE CONTROL mode in a second.
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The best part about that Geraldo thing is I just realized that happened Wednesday night and I was watching. Hannity came on and Geraldo was trying to get away from that guy to interview a State Senator and the crowd was going crazy against him telling him to leave. Geraldo takes the Senator a few feet away and starts his interview and the first thing she says is "You need to leave because you're inciting things." After Geraldo and Hannity argue with her for a bit Geraldo works his way up to the police line as they start to march forward. Then Hannity starts talking so I flip to Chris Hayes. Hayes is there too but he's on the other side of the crowd. He says "Part of the problem is that there's a ton of media here and when the lights go on people get excited and want to be heard. Just a few minutes ago there was some kind of scuffle when one of the media guys fought his way up to the police line and caused a stir." Chris didn't know he was talking about Geraldo, but I did. And now I know what preceded it where Geraldo got clowned. But you're not an agitator, Geraldo. That's preposterous.
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Megyn Kelly has to be the biggest race baiter on TV. She loves pulling the "so-and-so is African American so race can't be a factor" card. She just pulled that unprovoked while interviewing one of the Gray family lawyers and he pushed back against it and what followed was this laborious exchange that made me hate Kelly so much. To paraphrase. Kelly: When this is all done if they choose not to press charges will the Gray family accept that? Lawyer: The only thing the Gray family will accept is an impartial and fair investigation. The Baltimore police department can't investigate impartially so we hope the Department of Justice will. Kelly: But the Baltimore prosecutor is African American so that takes race out of the factor. Lawyer: I don't see what that has to do with anything. Kelly: Well in Ferguson people told us that a white prosector and a black victim was part of the problem so I'm just removing race from the issue. Its an African American prosector, an African American attorney general, and an African American mayor. But you said race isn't a factor so that's good. Lawyer: I didn't say that race wasn't a factor. Black and brown citizens are statistically more victimized by police so race is a factor. Kelly: But you just said race wasn't a factor. Now you're changing your mind? Lawyer: I never said that. You said the prosecutor was African American and I said that didn't matter. Kelly: But she's African American so that should take the race factor out of her decision. Lawyer: The only important thing about her investigation is if its full and impartial and the only way we can judge that is with information and we don't have any information right now. Kelly: So if the prosecutor chooses not to press charges will you accept that or not? Lawyer: I can't answer that because we have none of the necessary information about the investigation. Kelly: So you won't say now that you will accept the findings? I'm giving you a chance to get on the record and prove yourself but you're not going to take that. Lawyer: I can't tell you how I'll feel about an investigation I know nothing about. Kelly: You want wiggle room and that's going to hurt you and the message of your protests. Its too bad. I'm just telling you the way it is. But I have to run. I poured a drink and then came here to vent. I can't tell if I'm angrier about "A black person is involved so race can't be a factor" or "You have to swear your faith in the system or else your opinion doesn't count." Of course I spent the whole day home sick watching Fox News so I did this to myself.
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STAC Goat posted:Kelly: You want wiggle room and that's going to hurt you and the message of your protests. Its too bad. Yyyeah, it's too bad FOX viewers won't support the message of the protests because of "wiggle room" as opposed to, you know, their inherent bigotry. Concern troll much Megyn?
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May 1, 2015 02:46
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STAC Goat posted:Kelly: You want wiggle room and that's going to hurt you and the message of your protests. Its too bad. I'm just telling you the way it is. But I have to run. She seriously said this? Jesus what a condescending moron.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:She seriously said this? Jesus what a condescending moron. He said he's paraphrasing so maybe not exactly
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Conservatives don't understand institutional racism vs individual racism. Also substitute sexism, homophobia, and so forth.
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