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wookieepelt posted:The idea is that developers can easily port apps to Windows. Then, if/when Windows 10 takes off and they have millions of users, they will update Windows apps along with iOS and Android. It's a smart move if the user base is there. Windows 8+8.1 has ~15% market share, meaning tens of millions of users, and the store is a wasteland. Why is adding the minuscule WP userbase going to change that? Linking the desktop Windows wasteland to the phone Windows wasteland doesn't get you an amazing app store. It's been the same dumb story since 2010 and WP7: just watch, WP will take off, millions will flock to the platform, and the apps will rain down from the heavens. I just don't think you should keep holding your breath on this one  Factor Mystic posted:Having users directly sideload apk's would have been a terrible product strategy. The announced bridges at least has a chance of working. "Windows Phone" is dead now, though. I didn't say it would be a good product strategy, I just said it would be better for (current) users that want to actually have particular apps that aren't available to them currently.
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I am convinced there is nothing that will cause WP to take off and dethrone Android or iOS. I don't see anyone doing anything different until one of those two stumble, or naturally fall back down the heap. Microsoft, nor any of it's partners, have pushed the product enough to get into the publics mind. And, when MS does do an ad campaign it is stupid as poo poo. They've had great devices come out. The best one in recent mind would be the HTC One M8 with windows (stupid loving name), and I am sure it sold like a steaming pile of dogshit. The retail price is too high, the contract price was too high, and no one marketed it. I live in the DC metropolitan area and in all the years of Windows Phone (7 and up) and it isn't marketed. MS has to keep limping the product along and hope for a BANG, or kill it.
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Apr 30, 2015 16:56
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RVProfootballer posted:Windows 8+8.1 has ~15% market share, meaning tens of millions of users, and the store is a wasteland. Why is adding the minuscule WP userbase going to change that? Linking the desktop Windows wasteland to the phone Windows wasteland doesn't get you an amazing app store.
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Apr 30, 2015 17:20
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Darth TNT posted:Why would anyone use an appstore for windows when you can install things normally? Or just use a normal website in the desktop browser, which works fine and everyone is used to. MS keeps assuming they have all this power to leverage users to and fro, but their approach just doesn't make sense.
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Apr 30, 2015 17:27
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LifeSizePotato posted:Or just use a normal website in the desktop browser, which works fine and everyone is used to. MS keeps assuming they have all this power to leverage users to and fro, but their approach just doesn't make sense. You do have a valid point about just using a browser -- the app needs to have a completing rich experience for It to be worth it. The above isn't enough for simple apps.
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Apr 30, 2015 18:12
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Darth TNT posted:Why would anyone use an appstore for windows when you can install things normally? Also being able to test drive applications without having to intercept writes with Acronis or the other crazy poo poo I did five years ago would be nice. Years ago Microsoft reps were touring universities saying they wanted to eventually deprecate Win32 and have everything run as managed code. I have no idea if that's still true but this is the first plausible way out I've seen. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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xylo posted:I'm looking forward to being able to install and app, use it and then uninstall it if it's poo poo and not have It leave crap all over. I'm also hoping that the apps (including win32 ones) are well curated - less shady downloads or bullshit bundled software. I haven't found a Windows Store app yet that I'd want to use on the desktop over either a real desktop program or a well-designed website in my browser. Given the shameful ghost town that is the Windows Store despite the millions of 8/8.1 users mentioned earlier, my guess is that others feel the same way. Maybe not, though. The "full screen or nothing" mentality with 8/8.1 certainly doesn't help. LifeSizePotato fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 19:01
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Darth TNT posted:Why would anyone use an appstore for windows when you can install things normally? There's a whole generation of kids growing up to whom downloading apps from an app store is the only way they know how to install things. To them, that's normal. Not having an app store just because you can install programs the old way is going to be limiting.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:06
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Shumagorath posted:Years ago Microsoft reps were touring universities saying they wanted to eventually deprecate Win32 and have everything run as managed code. I have no idea if that's still true but this is the first plausible way out I've seen. Well they want to move to managed code but they have made the concession that they will allow Win32 apps packaged in Hyper-V when deployed through the Appstore. This is explicitly making it so that Win32 will never go away but we can at least protect your OS from Win32 programs. I think it's a great step forward for Windows/Win32. I wonder if Windows 10 will end up 100% free in the next 2 years. It would kill a revenue stream (the $20-50 they get from OEMs per install) but might be necessary to fight against ChromeOS/OsX/Linux on the desktop. With the push to use docker and the fight for developers/continued market share I think it would be in their interest.
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ElGroucho posted:But don't you know Factor Mystic? I lolled LifeSizePotato posted:I haven't found a Windows Store app yet that I'd want to use on the desktop over either a real desktop program or a well-designed website in my browser. Given the shameful ghost town that is the Windows Store despite the millions of 8/8.1 users mentioned earlier, my guess is that others feel the same way. Maybe not, though. The "full screen or nothing" mentality with 8/8.1 certainly doesn't help. Normal desktop apps can be listed in the store now, which is a big deal because now (hopefully) it can become the principal way people think about getting programs... no more "hey, please download this random .vbs.exe from cnet, this is a normal thing that normal people do!" when you can get it via the store. So if you're using any normal programs at all, those are now candidates to get via the store, if the vendor lists them there. Considering the popularity of programs like ninite, I don't see this approach as being an automatic failure.
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RVProfootballer posted:Windows 8+8.1 has ~15% market share, meaning tens of millions of users, and the store is a wasteland. Why is adding the minuscule WP userbase going to change that? Adding the truly vast Windows7 userbase is more likely to change it, I think...
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Apr 30, 2015 20:24
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Factor Mystic posted:So if you're using any normal programs at all, those are now candidates to get via the store, if the vendor lists them there. Considering the popularity of programs like ninite, I don't see this approach as being an automatic failure.
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Apr 30, 2015 20:35
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Does anyone have any good ideas for ways to repurpose old WP 7 or WP8 devices?
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Factor Mystic posted:Normal desktop apps can be listed in the store now, Does it actually download from the app store? Last I knew it was just a link to the vendors website. They take 30% of all apps served from the app store, but allowed a link and took 0% for non-app store hosted (Win32/Win64) apps. So if you search photoshop you at least get something in the app store now, but it's a link to adobe's webpage.
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Apr 30, 2015 22:28
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Shumagorath posted:Years ago Microsoft reps were touring universities saying they wanted to eventually deprecate Win32 and have everything run as managed code. I have no idea if that's still true but this is the first plausible way out I've seen.
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Couldn't they just scrap the unique build, customize Android like every other OEM out there, and produce phones? At least they could take a cut of the market that way. It'd be better than this constant reinvention of the same poo poo. It's not the victory they're looking for but drat some of their gimmicks are cool and I'd hate to lose that innovation over a failed OS.
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wookieepelt posted:There's a whole generation of kids growing up to whom downloading apps from an app store is the only way they know how to install things. xylo posted:Other features you get along with this: Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 00:23 on May 1, 2015 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:Given that it took until end of 2014 for their dumb desktop JIT to finally deal with vectors and emit SIMD instructions, I'd rather not have a managed code world yet. Too much dragging their feet over at MS' .NET team. Also, pretty much all of WinRT has been implemented in C++, so... 
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Combat Pretzel posted:I just headed to the Visual Studio site to download 2015 RC and found the SIMD poo poo and the related JIT still in the prerelease section. So yeah, almighty .NET still can't do SSE and upwards. Same probably applies to NEON. How is the new Visual Studio? I imagine there's no upgrade path for free if I have 2013 Ultimate? I guess I don't really need much beyond the community edition or whatever they call it, but I like when it says Ultimate 
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Given that Ultimate retails around $700 I'd stick to Express / whatever unless someone else is buying it for you. I think they finally stopped segmenting Express editions based on language / task too.
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TopherCStone posted:How is the new Visual Studio? I imagine there's no upgrade path for free if I have 2013 Ultimate? I guess I don't really need much beyond the community edition or whatever they call it, but I like when it says Ultimate I just hope it comes with some system container control for the hamburger menus, but I can see being required to implement it on your own. The Outlook Mail/Calendar one already mismatches anything else in the system, so that's already telling. Shumagorath posted:Given that Ultimate retails around $700 I'd stick to Express / whatever unless someone else is buying it for you. I think they finally stopped segmenting Express editions based on language / task too.
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Cortana just asked me who I think is going to get eliminated from American Idol. I don't know if I've ever been so disappointed.
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Shumagorath posted:If Gabe Newell's vivid sweaty nightmare of the Windows Store comes true and they start selling desktop games I'll buy them. Also keep in mind that "normally" is still beyond the comprehension of many users and has awful data portability in an era where everyone wants to use all their software and access all their files on all their devices. I can effortlessly swap between my desktop and laptop with Office 365 and OneDrive; with smart use of the Store and OneDrive any other application could do this. As do I, even without apps. The cloud is pretty awesome. Universal apps at best is going to have an negligable effect on games. The ability to suddenly reach Xbone or PC gamers in addition to the WP gamers should be a fairly decent recent to port some of the easier ones that can control on all of them. However, banks and messengers probably couldn't care less.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Only installed it and quickly started it to set it up. I've yet to start writing code. Looks pretty much the same as 2013 tho, apart from the dumb upper case menu headers being gone. Yeah looks like I'll just stick with Community when I upgrade. Darth TNT posted:As do I, even without apps. The cloud is pretty awesome. Anybody know what the story is with Windows 10 on Xbox? I wonder if MS is going to try and steal the Steam Machine's thunder with the integration.
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I googled this without success. Is there any way to buy a game in the app store with a combination of leftover funds and pay the remainder with my credit card?
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I've done that before. It was just a matter of hitting buy, changing the payment option to your Microsoft account, and then selecting your card when it said you needed more.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:I've done that before. It was just a matter of hitting buy, changing the payment option to your Microsoft account, and then selecting your card when it said you needed more. I did that and it put the whole thing on my card (it's what I tried before posting my question).
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TopherCStone posted:Yeah looks like I'll just stick with Community when I upgrade.
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May 2, 2015 23:41
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The Steam machine is going to fail on the controller alone.
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Shumagorath posted:The Steam machine is going to fail on the controller alone. If you can plug a xbox controller everything will be fine.
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May 3, 2015 10:12
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ahahaha it runs Linux and you expect it to work with hardware?
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http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/07/dealing-with-xbox-controllers-in-ubuntu http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/connect-your-xbox-360-controller-to-your-linux-gaming-rig/
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Shumagorath posted:ahahaha it runs Linux and you expect it to work with hardware? yes
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High end Lumia phones... http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/4/8544881/microsoft-lumia-phones-windows-10-features
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Uthor posted:High end Lumia phones... Thank GOD Actual specs quote:Cityman is designed to be the true flagship phone for Windows 10, and it will reportedly include a 5.7-inch QHD display, Qualcomm octa-core processor, 3GB of RAM, and a 20-megapixel camera at the rear. Microsoft is planning to use a removable rear cover for access to the battery and microSD slots, despite the presence of 32GB of internal storage. Cityman will support the new Continuum for phones feature to transform a phone into a PC, and Microsoft is planning to bundle some additional hardware with the phone to enable this. I'd like to know the specific storage capabilities of Talkman because that'd pretty directly determine whether I can get away with buying it. Cityman has 32GB internal and a microSD slot, not bad 
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May 4, 2015 21:14
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Holy poo poo. I hope they pack in a battery large enough for good usage times.
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Of course Visual Studio 2015 doesn't ship with pre-made hamburger menu controls, you have to sorta implement it on your own. Figures. --edit: Well, implement your own style for a certain control, anyway.
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Doomsday Jesus posted:Holy poo poo. I hope they pack in a battery large enough for good usage times. The 640 XL has a 3000 mAh battery, so I hope is at least that or bigger for these. I'm hyped as hell with the specs and that Talkman hexa-core may be the Snapdragon 808 (LG L4) wich is already drat nice and doesn't have the heat issues of the 810 wich may be the one on the Cityman. I'd go with that 5.2" screen anyday, but after looking at the size of the Note 3/4, I wouldn't mind a big phone this round.
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