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Vlex posted:Bernie benches a hell of a lot more than he deadlifts. Haha 90lb one arm curls, dude must have biceps the size of watermelons
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In case anyone is interested, we are "poo poo posting for sanders" in GBS. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3712639&perpage=40
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Well, 25 minutes later and I finished my 2nd political survey (the last one took a minute). This called ranged from favorability (how the hell do you spell that word?) of candidates (Hillary and Obama to all the major Republican candidates to McConnell and Boehner and Orin Hatch). It then started with policy positions before swerving to "What is the first thing you think of when you hear the name Jeb Bush?" And then going right back to policy positions. Common core and immigration had positive wording to them and there was a focus on "improving" the business climate of the U.S. So it was definitely Bush based. No talk of women's rights (short one question on abortion) and nothing on climate change. The wording was so horrible and loaded that one question with only two lovely options led me to telling the caller "neither".
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May 1, 2015 00:30
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Is his age being brought up as a thing yet? He's six years older than Hillary and I believe if he were to actually win he would be even older than Reagan was in his second term.
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May 1, 2015 01:08
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Gravel Gravy posted:Well I imagine any entity that can get away with the rape and mutilation of one of it's employees makes them a tinge unaccountable. What are you trying to say here? Nintendo Kid posted:Because they are mercenaries that don't even have to be based in America, under Ron Paul's plan, and thus quite easily unaccountable to US law entirely.
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May 1, 2015 01:16
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Enigma89 posted:Wouldn't you say the people who employed them would be accountable? In what way would you hold the President and Congress accountable?
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May 1, 2015 01:18
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Nintendo Kid posted:In what way would you hold the President and Congress accountable? When they don't hold the mercenary groups accountable? I don't really see the big issue with mercenary groups. This whole thing started because of mercenary groups but the bigger question is who loving cares? If we are going to invade a place who cares if the military is doing it or a private group is doing it. The bigger and more important question is why are we there to begin with. I don't really see the point of even talking about mercenary groups, more time should be spent on asking WHY are we sending A (military) or B (mercenaries) to XYZ country. I don't want to argue private vs government because I don't care. At the end of the day if the war is justified then go and end it fast. But I want to spend a lot of time on talking whether or not we should go there and that is why I supported Ron and now Sanders and that is why I could never ever have supported Bush/Obama and now can't support Hillary. I really think we are talking about two different things and the thing you are talking about I really don't care about. Being supportive of mercenaries doesn't make you a hawk. Voting for Hillary does though.
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May 1, 2015 01:21
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Enigma89 posted:Wouldn't you say the people who employed them would be accountable? Do you mean they'd be legally restrained in any way? Probably not.
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May 1, 2015 01:22
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Nintendo Kid posted:Because they are mercenaries that don't even have to be based in America, under Ron Paul's plan, and thus quite easily unaccountable to US law entirely. Not quite! Ron Paul wants to bring back Letters of Marque, contracts (glorious, beautiful contracts, that most holy of document) which did use to contain provisions that required the privateers to obey the rules of war and treat prisoners fairly or risk revocation of the contract and damage to their reputation, allowing the market to decide who were the most honorable mercenaries.
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May 1, 2015 01:24
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Enigma89 posted:When they don't hold the mercenary groups accountable? I don't really see the big issue with mercenary groups. This whole thing started because of mercenary groups but the bigger question is who loving cares? Why do you want there to be more war profiteering instead of less?
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May 1, 2015 01:24
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Nintendo Kid posted:Why do you want there to be more war profiteering instead of less? Well if I am for less wars then I would be for less war profiteering (net)? You can't say that there already isn't war profiteering when the US military is being used.
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May 1, 2015 01:25
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Nintendo Kid posted:In what way would you hold the President and Congress accountable?  
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May 1, 2015 01:26
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Enigma89 posted:Well if I am for less wars then I would be for less war profiteering (net)? You can't say that there already isn't war profiteering when the US military is being used. quote:That one day, every person in this nation will control their own destiny! A land of the truly free dammit! A nation of action not words -- ruled by strength not committee! Where the law changes to suit the individual, not the other way around! Where power and justice are in back where they belong, in the hands of the people! Where every man is free -- to think --to act -- For himself! gently caress all these limp-dick lawyers, and these chicken poo poo bureaucrats! gently caress this 24/7 internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit! gently caress American Pride -- gently caress the media -- gently caress - all of it! America is diseased -- rotten to the core...there's no saving it... We need to pull it out by the roots! Wipe the slate clean -- burn it down! And from the ashes a new America will be born! Evolved but unchained! The weak will be purged -- and the strongest will thrive -- free to live as they see fit! They'll make America great again!
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May 1, 2015 01:29
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Enigma89 posted:When they don't hold the mercenary groups accountable? I don't really see the big issue with mercenary groups. This whole thing started because of mercenary groups but the bigger question is who loving cares? Lil Buddy do you actually care about anything or did you just discover that shrilly decrying the Iraq War is a good way to impress European college girls in bars?
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May 1, 2015 01:32
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Enigma89 posted:Well if I am for less wars then I would be for less war profiteering (net)? You can't say that there already isn't war profiteering when the US military is being used. Making war private doesn't make there be less wars dude! I didn't say there's none, I said there's less of it.
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May 1, 2015 01:35
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From a PPP Iowa poll:quote:On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton has one of her weaker recent polling performances, getting 45% to 23% for Elizabeth Warren, 12% for Bernie Sanders, 7% for Joe Biden, 3% for Martin O'Malley, and 1% each for Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb. If Warren doesn't run and most of those votes go to Sanders, he could put up a real challenge in Iowa.
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May 1, 2015 01:39
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Bernie should pull a Reagan and preemptively announce his cabinet.
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May 1, 2015 01:50
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PupsOfWar posted:Bernie should pull a Reagan and preemptively announce his cabinet. "and now introducing the new head of the NLRB, the reanimated corpse of Big Bill Haywood!"
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May 1, 2015 01:52
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Joementum posted:There is a minor issue with Bernie's candidacy. New Hampshire making GBS threads on Vermont? What else is new?
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May 1, 2015 02:08
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Bernie Sanders better not be a real challenge to Hillary he will literally lose the election and ensure a Republican President, Majority House, and Majority Senate. God help us all.
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May 1, 2015 03:03
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PerpetualSelf posted:Bernie Sanders better not be a real challenge to Hillary he will literally lose the election and ensure a Republican President, Majority House, and Majority Senate. i dont think you understand how american primaries and generals work. they don't all run against each other at the same time. first we find out who the best democrat and republican are, then they fight while some independents get shoehorned into the race/refused access to the debates
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May 1, 2015 03:09
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bernie is running as a democrat specifically to ensure that he doesn't affect the general election unless he's a mainstream candidate participating in it
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May 1, 2015 03:10
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Under the vegetable posted:i dont think you understand how american primaries and generals work. they don't all run against each other at the same time. first we find out who the best democrat and republican are, then they fight while some independents get shoehorned into the race/refused access to the debates Yes, but what if Bernie Sanders points out that Hillary Clinton is a cynical, corporate shill? Won't that damage her campaign in the general election?
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May 1, 2015 03:10
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TEAYCHES posted:Yes, but what if Bernie Sanders points out that Hillary Clinton is a cynical, corporate shill? Won't that damage her campaign in the general election? That's generally something Americans support.
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May 1, 2015 03:12
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Rubio going hard on Iran. His trolling is revealing the ineptitude of the administration's negotiating prowess:quote:Senator Marco Rubio, a Republican from Florida and aspirant for his party's presidential nomination, has a very poisonous pill he is seeking to add to Iran legislation this week before the Senate. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-04-30/marco-rubio-has-a-shrewd-poison-pill-for-the-iran-deal
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May 1, 2015 03:13
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Nintendo Kid posted:That's generally something Americans support. Obama got a lot of support based on the fiction that he would not represent special interests or Wall Street. It's more something Americans resign to and accept.
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May 1, 2015 03:13
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TEAYCHES posted:Obama got a lot of support based on the fiction that he would not represent special interests or Wall Street. It's more something Americans resign to and accept. You realize the Republicans' candidates for the last like 30 years have been even more cynical and corporate shills right? And they've won quite a few based on that even.
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May 1, 2015 03:17
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TEAYCHES posted:Obama got a lot of support based on the fiction that he would not represent special interests or Wall Street. It's more something Americans resign to and accept. There are some sections of the US electorate who seem to genuinely wish for corporate feudalism.
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May 1, 2015 03:19
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Nintendo Kid posted:You realize the Republicans' candidates for the last like 30 years have been even more cynical and corporate shills right? And they've won quite a few based on that even. What are your political beliefs and hopes, fishmech?
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May 1, 2015 03:20
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TEAYCHES posted:Yes, but what if Bernie Sanders points out that Hillary Clinton is a cynical, corporate shill? Won't that damage her campaign in the general election? I'm going to assume that that's sarcasm, since it's nothing that everyone doesn't already know  I'm pretty sure that Hillary is a losing proposition no matter what republican is running. I only know a handful of Democrats that are genuinely enthusiastic about having to vote for her, while every Republican I know can't wait to get to the polls to vote against her. Outside of a few Northeastern cities, she's a loser. She's Martha Coakley on a national stage. At least Sanders has a shot of building an enthusiastic electorate. He'll have Republican showing up to vote against him for sure because of the whole boogieman of Socialism, but every Democrat I've talked to has said "I love Bernie, but he's got no chance!" Well gently caress, if everyone love him, then he does have a chance. Weltlich fucked around with this message at 03:31 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 03:20
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"Bernie who?" says the guy to the poster stuck in his own political bubble
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May 1, 2015 03:22
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TEAYCHES posted:What are your political beliefs and hopes, fishmech? Communism.
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May 1, 2015 03:25
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Nintendo Kid posted:You realize the Republicans' candidates for the last like 30 years have been even more cynical and corporate shills right? And they've won quite a few based on that even. FYI, this is 100% bullshit. Bush's DOJ put multiple CEOs in jail who committed financial fraud. Pretty sure we're sitting on 0 for Obama despite whistle-blowers coming out the ying yang, at least 0 high-profile cases. Isn't there a graph that shows that investigations of financial crimes are at an all-time low under Obama? I'm about 95% sure that Obama has by far the worst prosecution record of recent Presidents for fraud. Gotta love the "BUT BUT BUT THE HYPOTHETICAL REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WOULD BE WORSE !" canard. Time to wake up a little.
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May 1, 2015 03:26
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Nintendo Kid posted:Communism. How can we get there?
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ohgodwhat posted:"Bernie who?" says the guy to the poster stuck in his own political bubble It's nothing but political bubbles at this point.
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May 1, 2015 03:31
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TEAYCHES posted:How can we get there? Utterly irrelevant to any presidential candidate as it sure as poo poo ain't happening through there.
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May 1, 2015 03:34
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Nintendo Kid posted:Utterly irrelevant to any presidential candidate as it sure as poo poo ain't happening through there. What about the value of improving real people's lives here and now, and also moving the "overton window" and getting people to think of socialism? What is the value of not being hostile to, say, Iran - and preventing more useless death & austerity which might occur under more centrist austerity?
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May 1, 2015 03:40
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TEAYCHES posted:What about the value of improving real people's lives here and now, and also moving the "overton window" and getting people to think of socialism? What is the value of not being hostile to, say, Iran - and preventing more useless death & austerity which might occur under more centrist austerity? Bernie Sanders isn't going to do that, guy. First off because he won't be elected, secondly because even if he was he won't have a congress that will agree to his program.
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May 1, 2015 03:42
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Nintendo Kid posted:Bernie Sanders isn't going to do that, guy. First off because he won't be elected, secondly because even if he was he won't have a congress that will agree to his program. on the other hand having a real socialist in the White House might finally make a few states and their congressional delegations quit the union, again.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:on the other hand having a real socialist in the White House might finally make a few states and their congressional delegations quit the union, again. They'd try impeachment first (and probably win).
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