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Lurdiak posted:Good is a point of view. I'm a chocoholic, drat YOU BASKIN ROBBINS!!!!  you made me side with the Skull and do this!!
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I can't imagine reed sees himself on the ark
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I never got resolution with Adult Franklin and Valeria. Isn't adult Valeria building something where the Reeds were?
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Gatts posted:I never got resolution with Adult Franklin and Valeria. Isn't adult Valeria building something where the Reeds were? That was back in FF and there was never any indication there would be a resolution to that. Or that there even is a resolution, she just went there to build and be smart and poo poo.
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jsoh posted:I can't imagine reed sees himself on the ark
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Apr 30, 2015 17:26
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Adult Franklin was responsible for sending the rogue planet from the future and was heavily involved in the whole Avengers World stuff in that timeline. Valeria... who knows, I'm hoping when Hickman decides to come back to Marvel he'll follow up on her.
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hope and vaseline posted:Adult Franklin was responsible for sending the rogue planet from the future and was heavily involved in the whole Avengers World stuff in that timeline. Valeria... who knows, I'm hoping when Hickman decides to come back to Marvel he'll follow up on her. He's still got 8 issues of Secret Wars and two issues of SHIELD left?
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Senor Candle posted:He's still got 8 issues of Secret Wars and two issues of SHIELD left? I guess we'll see! It'll be really confusing for readers though if Valeria plays a big role in it considering we haven't heard from her since the end of FF. I'm assuming most elements will be stand-alone or at least touched upon previously in Avengers/NA.
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hope and vaseline posted:Adult Franklin was responsible for sending the rogue planet from the future and was heavily involved in the whole Avengers World stuff in that timeline. Valeria... who knows, I'm hoping when Hickman decides to come back to Marvel he'll follow up on her. I imagine she'll pop up at a critical juncture when all looks lost for our heroes. By the way the lifeboat is the upshot of Valeria's "figure out not how to lose" conundrum, correct?
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Hickman said that he's going to take several months off to refresh but that he would be back doing something for Marvel. He did mention that he's probably done with giant runs with big ideas and wanted to work on smaller stuff and short runs when he came back.
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zoux posted:I imagine she'll pop up at a critical juncture when all looks lost for our heroes. Yes. Doom going back and preventing the instant eradication of the multiverse, opting for a slow one instead, allowed them time for the raft. So both Doom and Reed got their own 'figure out how to not lose' ending.
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What's to keep the Beyonders from going 'oh look someones trying to escape our little experiment' and blast the Ark into nothingness?
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Deadpool posted:Hickman said that he's going to take several months off to refresh but that he would be back doing something for Marvel. He did mention that he's probably done with giant runs with big ideas and wanted to work on smaller stuff and short runs when he came back. I know he's already done it, but I would LOVE to have him back just writing small stories with the Future Foundation. The last quarter or whatever of his run on FF/F4 is basically just that and it's real good.
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Binary Badger posted:What's to keep the Beyonders from going 'oh look someones trying to escape our little experiment' and blast the Ark into nothingness? They're clearly not omnipotent, which is why they have to use the Map Makers to track down Doom/Swans, so it's conceivable that one could hide from them.
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Senor Candle posted:I know he's already done it, but I would LOVE to have him back just writing small stories with the Future Foundation. The last quarter or whatever of his run on FF/F4 is basically just that and it's real good. Yeah, I really, really loved that we got an extended epilogue on his FF run after everything went down.
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Binary Badger posted:What's to keep the Beyonders from going 'oh look someones trying to escape our little experiment' and blast the Ark into nothingness? But yeah, even then, I don't know what would happen next: they rebuild something and then what? Beyonders still blast their poo poo. We don't know if the Ark will work, how it relates to Battleworld or why Beyonders wouldn't blast Battleworld anyway. I guess Doom had the right of it when he figured it was worth taking a shot at the Beyonders. Too bad he apparently missed. I've said it before but provided he survives (he will ), he'll be an asset fighting Thanos, Ultimate Reed and every Ultimate rear end in a top hat out there. While Steve lectures them to death.
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Spiderdrake posted:Can't you just stick him in a jar or use him as a hammock? It's not a stretch to imagine easy ways to store a Reed Richards for later, I thought his powers made him really efficient or something?
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I just want to know why Peter Parker isn't helping out with the crazy science.
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Binary Badger posted:What's to keep the Beyonders from going 'oh look someones trying to escape our little experiment' and blast the Ark into nothingness? That is why Doom killed them all. He blew up their universe with one of their own universe destroying Molecule Man bombs hidden in a building they couldn't see into. I don't think the Beyonders have any involvement in battle world, it's just all the multiverse's arks smushed together. It's the universes trying to recover. SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 19:56
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Doom did not kill the Beyonders.
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Yeah, either the library exploded too soon or the Beyonders destroyed it before it could reach them. Otherwise Doom wouldn't have been shouting noooooooo
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I didn't catch that was what the "No!" was about I thought it was him pissed the explosion was going to take him out as well as the Beyonders in a classic bit of Doom huburis "Doom shall watch you explode as Doom saves the universe, Doom should have steped back another hundred feet. RICHARDS!"
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Did we ever learn what Nick Fury whispered to Thor?
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zoux posted:Did we ever learn what Nick Fury whispered to Thor? You're not hot enough to be Thor. Thus a hot chick is now Thor.
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In the issue where they watch an incursion with the Black Priests on another world (sorry, don't remember the issue # but it was when there were two in a row, that and another with Mapmakers, almost identical, and I think Namor and Black Panther were watching them?), the Black Priests sense that they're being observed and ask who it is, and whether they are having the honor of being watched by the "Ebony Kings". Does anyone know if this was just a mistake (which would hopefully get fixed when collected)? I can't remember any other reference to Ebony Kings.
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Jeffe posted:In the issue where they watch an incursion with the Black Priests on another world (sorry, don't remember the issue # but it was when there were two in a row, that and another with Mapmakers, almost identical, and I think Namor and Black Panther were watching them?), the Black Priests sense that they're being observed and ask who it is, and whether they are having the honor of being watched by the "Ebony Kings". Does anyone know if this was just a mistake (which would hopefully get fixed when collected)? I can't remember any other reference to Ebony Kings. It's NA #13, Unlimited won't lemme open that specific issue so I can't check, but you're sure they didn't say Ivory Kings?
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zoux posted:Did we ever learn what Nick Fury whispered to Thor? No, and I hope we don't, because there's no way it'll make any sense.
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No this was a thing that definitely came up. In the early days people thought that there were two sets of players, the Ebony Kings and the Ivory Kings. (Ala how there is a white and black side in chess.) And it proved very popular, back when the idea was all the big fractions were alternate evil versions of the Illumanti. (The Mapmakers were Tony, the Black Priests were Dr. Strange, the Ebony and Ivoy Kings were Black Bolt and Black Panther.) I think Tom Berevort has since said that the Ebony King reference was a mistake.
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Gaz-L posted:No, and I hope we don't, because there's no way it'll make any sense. Fury says something that causes Thor to feel the need to do something Unworthy.
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They definitely say Ebony King. Here's a screengrab I just made. I'm pretty sure it's just a typo though. I'm not expecting an eleventh hour twist where a new faction is introduced. Edit: beaten.
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zoux posted:Did we ever learn what Nick Fury whispered to Thor? Probably will in Thor # 8 when her identity is revealed
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SirDan3k posted:That is why Doom killed them all. He blew up their universe with one of their own universe destroying Molecule Man bombs hidden in a building they couldn't see into. Is this confirmed anywhere or are we all rolling with this? I didn't take that from the issue at all.
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Since he apparently didn't get his bomb into the Beyonder dimension he didn't kill them all but I'd still bet he killed enough to give the arks breathing room while the Beyonders regroup.
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I think that if he had killed even a single one it would have been explicitly pointed out.
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I'd like to think Franklin and Valeria and Doom work to recreate what's left of reality and then we get a nice book featuring something like Adult Franklin, adult Valeria, Hope, Blue Marvel, Hyperion, Spider Uk, Ex Nihilo, Abyss, Starbrand, Nightmask, Manifold and Doom trying to seed universes and create a multiverse and poo poo. all my favorites are like dead
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Senor Candle posted:I think that if he had killed even a single one it would have been explicitly pointed out. I think everything going white in the explosion was about as much indication as they needed after Hyperion's team proved the Beyonders "mortal" in the narative.
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SirDan3k posted:I think everything going white in the explosion was about as much indication as they needed after Hyperion's team proved the Beyonders "mortal" in the narative. FWIW I interpreted the "no" as "it didn't work, the bomb went off and didn't kill any Beyonders because of power levels or some poo poo" but I guess we'll have to wait and see. At least, I assume we will.
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Gaz-L posted:No, and I hope we don't, because there's no way it'll make any sense. Aaron doesn't know his limits.
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Tamizander Rey posted:Is this confirmed anywhere or are we all rolling with this? I didn't take that from the issue at all. It was what I took away as well, before checking the thread. I'm certainly not totally sure that's what happened. Owen Reece is a Beyonder-designed ticking time-bomb for all the universes where he exists, and shares a simultaneous consciousness. When a universe's Molecule Man dies, it also dies. Doom is a messiah to the Swans. Their religion's most sacred act is executing a Molecule Man, and destroying a universe to thwart the death of all others. Do they even know that's why they're doing it? Not recalling if that was explicitly stated. Either way. they are wholly devoted to finding these men, and ending them. Those that betrayed their tenets, and looked upon Doom's work were enraged enough to turn on him. What could anger them enough to go against their God-Emperor (of) Doom? Perhaps the sight of countless iterations of their enemy, stockpiled instead of destroyed? I do think they were in the Library, which was hurled at the Beyonders, and their pre-emptive destruction was the sudden great loss of universes. I don't know if the spiral universe formation itself was supposed to illustrate that as well, or if Hickman did intend something different. I do hope he maybe writes something to clarify later, but it wouldn't hurt me if it stood on it's own either. One minor thing from the recent books that has annoyed me a bit, is the huge discrepancy in how the artists have illustrated the Beyonders. From varied organic forms by one, to some of the Transformer knock-off i had in the 80s by the other... I guess if any beings have an excuse to be rendered differently, it's them, but I feel like it happened because they didn't communicate. Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit on a Hickman-plotted title, I don't know. Madrox fucked around with this message at 04:21 on May 1, 2015 |
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