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turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

I think it would be great if they changed Lyn's face for the western release.

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Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Maybe they'll just remove her entirely.

Butt Ghost
Nov 23, 2013

Fish Fry Andy posted:

I think it would be great if they changed everyone's face for the western release.

Dastardly
Jun 14, 2011

Fresh outta hecks.
I think there's a bit of a leap between a 13 18 year old girl wearing bikinis in situations that are in no way sexual and outright pedophilia. It's more scary how easily dismissive you are about characters solely based on her fictional face or age.

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?
Here's an idea. Just don't put her in Bikini's and fanservice outfits and you won't have to worry about whether or not you're a pedophile. There is nothing forcing you to do this, and is easily avoidable.

Dastardly
Jun 14, 2011

Fresh outta hecks.
Downloaded these with flashgot, not going to re-upload them elsewhere so here's the site I got them from.

Edit: That didn't work at all

http://music.163.com/#/djradio?id=1060004

Songs 16 to 21 on the playlist are new.

16: Oblivia (day)
17: Caves
18: Primordia (night)
19: Noctilum (day, not new but different recording)
20: Manon Ship (night)
21: Sylvalum / Continent of White Ash (day)

Dastardly fucked around with this message at 15:04 on May 1, 2015

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine

Supercar Gautier posted:

I don't think the article should have featured an exhaustive photoset of the sexualized 13-year-old, but it's still bad that the content is there in the game. Imagine scooping yourself a delicious dish of ice cream, but you have to be careful because there's a turd in the ice cream tub. The turd is Literal Pedophilia.

I still don't really buy that just "scribble the number 18 over the number 13" method will work, because that's not going to make her not look like a tiny baby child.



You're really blowing this out of proportion it's impossible to actually have an anime character look 13 because anime character body proportions are not realistically human. Like you can't even tell she's 13 in any sort of character line-up or hell compare it to other series. You have to be verbally told she's 13 because other than that there's really no other indicator that she's 13. Like hell she could pass for the same age as Fiona.

All animes look the same.

Like for reference this is what a fully grown adult anime looks like

The Taint Reaper fucked around with this message at 15:21 on May 1, 2015

Idioteque Dance
Jun 19, 2004

Dinosaur Gum
I mean, if the developers created the character and made her 13 year old, then she's 13 years old. Y'know?

If NOA/NOE force the localisation team to change the number to '18' then it doesn't make it any less creepy to people aware of that fact, because we'll know. We'll know.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Nintendo added 3 years to every playable character in Bravely Default, so hey.

Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

The Black Stones posted:

Here's an idea. Just don't put her in Bikini's and fanservice outfits and you won't have to worry about whether or not you're a pedophile. There is nothing forcing you to do this, and is easily avoidable.

yeah just do this, gently caress. she's a tank anyway, if i had to guess i'd probably say that the lovely bikini light armor isn't the gear you want her taking hits in

Dastardly
Jun 14, 2011

Fresh outta hecks.

Fungah! posted:

yeah just do this, gently caress. she's a tank anyway, if i had to guess i'd probably say that the lovely bikini light armor isn't the gear you want her taking hits in

Have you played Xenoblade before? Naked Dunban is viable for a long time.

Renoistic
Jul 27, 2007

Everyone has a
guardian angel.

Fish Fry Andy posted:

I think it would be great if they changed everyones's faces for the western release.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Fungah! posted:

yeah just do this, gently caress. she's a tank anyway, if i had to guess i'd probably say that the lovely bikini light armor isn't the gear you want her taking hits in

You must not play many JRPGs or MMOs, as the bikini armor typically is the one with the most ridiculous stats. But if that's the case I'll just rush for the Dunban titan armor speedo and be the best character anyway.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Idioteque Dance posted:

I mean, if the developers created the character and made her 13 year old, then she's 13 years old. Y'know?

If NOA/NOE force the localisation team to change the number to '18' then it doesn't make it any less creepy to people aware of that fact, because we'll know. We'll know.

I'm sure you can cry yourself to sleep after they force don't force you make her wear a bikini the whole time.

Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

Dastardly posted:

Have you played Xenoblade before? Naked Dunban is viable for a long time.

right but he's a dodge tank instead of a more traditional hit-me-more-you-fucker tank. whats-her-face looks like she's more of a traditional tank and probably wants some big-rear end thick armor

Crabtree posted:

You must not play many JRPGs or MMOs, as the bikini armor typically is the one with the most ridiculous stats. But if that's the case I'll just rush for the Dunban titan armor speedo and be the best character anyway.

yeah but if you actually went heavy-armor tank, the heavy armor on Reyn was beefy as hell. i mean, maybe the bikini's got the best tank stats in the game, iunno, but somehow i really doubt it

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I think it's plenty creepy but it also isn't anything new and probably will not have a large impact on sales. Xenoblade probably sold more poorly than Persona 4 and literally the first thing in Persona 4 is a teenage girl in a bikini.

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
I'd say just get all the skimpy armors and edit a property on them so you can't equip them to Lyn. Boom. 13 year old is herself except you can't put her in creepy outfits so people can stop whining about how they can't stop themselves from doing so.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Fungah! posted:

yeah but if you actually went heavy-armor tank, the heavy armor on Reyn was beefy as hell. i mean, maybe the bikini's got the best tank stats in the game, iunno, but somehow i really doubt it

Well what's better than just keeping her in the giant robot so you never have to see her outside of specific cutscenes?

Dastardly
Jun 14, 2011

Fresh outta hecks.
Yeah that sounds great, restricting her from using a whole bunch of armor with useful stats that you can also change the looks of if you desperately want to because changing her age is apparently not easy enough. By the way this discussion is loving dumb and I can't wait for it to happen over and over until release and then some more.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


I watched a video of some dudes playing Smash U for the first time and some dude picked Shulk in underwear and another dude was appalled that the game had an almost naked thirteen year old.

Idioteque Dance
Jun 19, 2004

Dinosaur Gum

Sakurazuka posted:

I'm sure you can cry yourself to sleep after they force don't force you make her wear a bikini the whole time.
Oh I'm really not that bothered. I'll just decide at the time if I want to equip armour that'll make me roll my eyes forever or just drop a couple of stat numbers with armour that's less weird. But, I do enjoy how passionately people are jumping in to defend it with snarky, goony posts such as this.

If the music does turn out to be shittier than XC's music then I'll be far more offended.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

They should just go full TERA

Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

ImpAtom posted:

I think it's plenty creepy but it also isn't anything new and probably will not have a large impact on sales. Xenoblade probably sold more poorly than Persona 4 and literally the first thing in Persona 4 is a teenage girl in a bikini.

You're in Japan, right? have you had a chance to play the game yet?

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

ImpAtom posted:

I think it's plenty creepy but it also isn't anything new and probably will not have a large impact on sales. Xenoblade probably sold more poorly than Persona 4 and literally the first thing in Persona 4 is a teenage girl in a bikini.

The original Persona 4 did sell significantly more in Japan than Xenoblade Chronicles, but not as well in the US(we don't have exact US sales numbers of Xenoblade Chronicles because Nintendo didn't release them, but they did say it sold more copies than it did in Japan). Persona 4 Golden, however, completely trounced Xenoblade's Wii + New 3DS sales combined on its own in every region.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Fungah! posted:

You're in Japan, right? have you had a chance to play the game yet?

Nah, I just import poo poo because I am bad w. money. I don't really have the time for Xenoblade right now so I'm just waiting on the US release.

Khisanth Magus posted:

The original Persona 4 did sell significantly more in Japan than Xenoblade Chronicles, but not as well in the US(we don't have exact US sales numbers of Xenoblade Chronicles because Nintendo didn't release them, but they did say it sold more copies than it did in Japan). Persona 4 Golden, however, completely trounced Xenoblade's Wii + New 3DS sales combined on its own in every region.

Yeah. I mean I am seriously not defending this stuff and wouldn't be an iota sad if it was changed or removed but for an audience the size of Xenoblade it probably ain't gonna matter much.

Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

ImpAtom posted:

Nah, I just import poo poo because I am bad w. money. I don't really have the time for Xenoblade right now so I'm just waiting on the US release.


Yeah. I mean I am seriously not defending this stuff and wouldn't be an iota sad if it was changed or removed but for an audience the size of Xenoblade it probably ain't gonna matter much.

haha, fair, you've usually got good opinions on things so I was hoping to get a read on what you thought about it.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
You can equip cosmetic armour, settle down already, jesus.

MechaCrash
Jan 1, 2013

The cosmetic armor option is locked behind NG+ (or DLC), for some bizarre reason.

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

The Taint Reaper posted:

You're really blowing this out of proportion it's impossible to actually have an anime character look 13 because anime character body proportions are not realistically human. Like you can't even tell she's 13 in any sort of character line-up or hell compare it to other series. You have to be verbally told she's 13 because other than that there's really no other indicator that she's 13. Like hell she could pass for the same age as Fiona.

All animes look the same.

It's funny how all the adult men in this game manage to look like adult men. Pretty wild how "anime style" makes that possible for dudes, but only dudes. Wonder what's going on there.

Hey, I can tell you're invested in the game being good, which is why you're defending the pedophilia in it. I am also invested in the game being good, which is why I would prefer for pedophilia not to be in it. Different mindsets, different ways of managing one's hype.

Honestly, although Sex Children are not something you should have to put effort into avoiding, the people saying "well you can AVOID IT" are still not as bad as trying to pretend that Lyn could ever pass for an adult woman and therefore it's not gross.

Idioteque Dance
Jun 19, 2004

Dinosaur Gum

Supercar Gautier posted:

Honestly, although Sex Children are not something you should have to put effort into avoiding, the people saying "well you can AVOID IT" are still not as bad as trying to pretend that Lyn could ever pass for an adult woman and therefore it's not gross.
thank you

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Supercar Gautier posted:

Honestly, although Sex Children are not something you should have to put effort into avoiding, the people saying "well you can AVOID IT" are still not as bad as trying to pretend that Lyn could ever pass for an adult woman and therefore it's not gross.

I'm pretty sure you don't need to avoid it, more you need to actually look for it. It's there if you put on armour with lovely defense, but Lyn's your tank so why would you equip that armour on her unless you want to stare at her tatas?

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

SatansBestBuddy posted:

I'm pretty sure you don't need to avoid it, more you need to actually look for it. It's there if you put on armour with lovely defense, but Lyn's your tank so why would you equip that armour on her unless you want to stare at her tatas?

Are you dancing around the issue or attempting a "no u"? It's alright to admit that you're excited to play a game despite Japanese fanservice.

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

SatansBestBuddy posted:

I'm pretty sure you don't need to avoid it, more you need to actually look for it. It's there if you put on armour with lovely defense, but Lyn's your tank so why would you equip that armour on her unless you want to stare at her tatas?

This is assuming the bikini and the nude harness are the only examples of sexual armor Lyn can wear, which is not a safe assumption. The first Xenoblade had a lot of racy high-defense heavy armor, and I'm sure this one does too.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


I don't feel a compulsive urge to discuss sexy kids in video games, but maybe that's just me?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Also if you think anime moefication of female characters to look younger and cuter is child porn I guess you outed yourself as a pedo if you played the original Xenoblade or consumed any big eye media ever?

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

Are you dancing around the issue or attempting a "no u"? It's alright to admit that you're excited to play a game despite Japanese fanservice.

It's more I don't really care, but am trying to engage in the conversation all the same since it seems like a really minor hangup to get bent out of shape over.

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

"The people who don't like [THING] are actually the people who DO like [THING]" is a novel, if questionable argument.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


It's more like, using pedophilic content as a bludgeon to attack people on the internet is not actually much better than consuming pedophilic content, because you're still interacting with and bringing attention to the said pedophilic content

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

icantfindaname posted:

It's more like, using pedophilic content as a bludgeon to attack people on the internet is not actually much better than consuming pedophilic content, because you're still interacting with and bringing attention to the said pedophilic content

Because it's not worth bringing attention to?

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Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

Ah yes, the principle wherein criticism of a bad thing is somehow worse and more heinous than silent tacit approval.

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