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blowfish posted:Why do evil overlords have to follow overly elaborate and counterproductive rules? They're evil overlords for fucks sake. Screw the rules, we have money and guns Because part of what makes conspiracy theorists believe in conspiracies is the natural terror that we all feel when confronted with the brutality and impartiality of the universe. They need to believe that there's a system and that if you just understand the system, things will make sense. The system also needs to be obtuse enough that they can score points by 'decoding' it. e: blowfish posted:Ok, this is how the secret media messages thing works, right? Actually, there was a conspiracy infographic floating around a while back that suggested that GBS was a CIA front and that that's what Slenderman is supposed to do to tweens. I think it turned up in the GBS Hellthread. Republican Vampire fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Republican Vampire posted:Because part of what makes conspiracy theorists believe in conspiracies is the natural terror that we all feel when confronted with the brutality and impartiality of the universe. They need to believe that there's a system and that if you just understand the system, things will make sense. The system also needs to be obtuse enough that they can score points by 'decoding' it. quote:Actually, there was a conspiracy infographic floating around a while back that suggested that GBS was a CIA front and that that's what Slenderman is supposed to do to tweens. I think it turned up in the GBS Hellthread. 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:Why do evil overlords have to follow overly elaborate and counterproductive rules? They're evil overlords for fucks sake. Screw the rules, we have money and guns Because they don't think that they are evil overlords. They have a clear moral code but they also do some serious rules lawyering. It's like Orthodox Jews making the elevator stop every floor or any of the other elaborate Rube Goldberg contraptions they build to avoid violating the Law. It seems silly, if you are going to all-but technically do work and reap the benefits of "work" then why not just do it? Why not just push the button on the elevator. But they don't, because that would be wrong.
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Shbobdb posted:Because they don't think that they are evil overlords. They have a clear moral code but they also do some serious rules lawyering. It's like Orthodox Jews making the elevator stop every floor or any of the other elaborate Rube Goldberg contraptions they build to avoid violating the Law. It seems silly, if you are going to all-but technically do work and reap the benefits of "work" then why not just do it? Why not just push the button on the elevator. But they don't, because that would be wrong. Lawful Evil in a nutshell.
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ErIog posted:There are certain conspiracy theorists who believe that groups like satanists, the US government, or the Illuminati are using magical spells that derive their power from presence in the public consciousness. So a Lady Gaga song that has lyrics with a hidden satanic meaning is increasing the power of whatever spell its connected to in order to do a thing.
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Miss-Bomarc posted:hah! This was a plot point in Pratchett/Gaiman's novel "Good Omens", where a demon messes with the layout of a freeway to turn it into the symbol for a magic spell that creates an awful psychic atmosphere and drives people insane. Man, I feel like <insert name of local busy freeway interchange> is enough to drive people insane even without being a magic spell!
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ErIog posted:Man, I feel like <insert name of local busy freeway interchange> is enough to drive people insane even without being a magic spell! Suddenly the entirety of Southern California's freeway system makes sense.
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Shbobdb posted:Because they don't think that they are evil overlords. They have a clear moral code but they also do some serious rules lawyering. It's like Orthodox Jews making the elevator stop every floor or any of the other elaborate Rube Goldberg contraptions they build to avoid violating the Law. It seems silly, if you are going to all-but technically do work and reap the benefits of "work" then why not just do it? Why not just push the button on the elevator. But they don't, because that would be wrong. This is what Shbobdb actually believes.
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Apr 30, 2015 08:06
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Dirk the Average posted:Suddenly the entirety of Southern California's freeway system makes sense. Wait until you see what's ON THE BACK OF THOSE ROAD SIGNS
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snorch posted:Wait until you see what's ON THE BACK OF THOSE ROAD SIGNS Is it just graffiti, or is it A MAGIC ILLUMI-LIZARD-MOLEPERSON SPELL?
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No, that's silly. It's secret-code directions for the military so they can find the FEMA concentration camps on January 1, 2000 when Clinton declares martial law and takes our guns.
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There's a movie being made about some British court case involving a Holocaust denier so expect more "Hollywood Zionism" stuff to start popping up again.
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Miss-Bomarc posted:hah! This was a plot point in Pratchett/Gaiman's novel "Good Omens", where a demon messes with the layout of a freeway to turn it into the symbol for a magic spell that creates an awful psychic atmosphere and drives people insane. Apparently the reason why a lot of old houses feel creepy is that there's usually something generating a sound that's so low pitch that we can't hear it but can still feel it.
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Orgone works at lower frequencies, so you get constructive interference in the extradimensional waveforms and the ultra-low pitched sound waves. That's also why orgonite works better at lower temperatures (see the ice crystal experiments).
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Shbobdb posted:Orgone works at lower frequencies, so you get constructive interference in the extradimensional waveforms and the ultra-low pitched sound waves. That's also why orgonite works better at lower temperatures (see the ice crystal experiments). Please source your quotes...
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May 1, 2015 19:03
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Orgonite blah blah blah. - my butt et al
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Is Orgone good or bad? Like, I know you need it out of your body and it does things to clouds, so I don't know. Also, does sex make it or shoot it out of you?
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So i found this guy. His name Dave Johnson, he is some nutjob on youtube and he believes that the american civil war, world war 2 and pretty much every event is faked by "Them". He basically thinks that fort Sumter was a false flag because no one died in the battle and that john brown, Jefferson Davis and Lincoln were the same person. He isnt even some neo confederate, he is just some nutjob. I dont get why people think everything ever is a HOAX, is it just mental disbilites or is it something else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZL0pg8Yh6A&index=1&list=PLhj2813je7xjjJLCMks-toOfIIgzLaqOR How does anyone think all of World war 2 is faked. Edit: apparently all wars are fake but the bible is real. he basically talks over war footage laughing about how fake it is and poo poo while doing multiple voices. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:12 on May 1, 2015 |
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Orgone is good if you are trying to avoid reptilians their tools of psychic warfare like fluoride or morgellons. But the energy attracts people so it is bad if you are being gang stalked. It is not a one size fits asolsolution.
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Is there any good book about all these really stupid conspiracy theories? From a rational point of view, obviously. I've become interested in knowing more about how these people reason as an older acquaintance has recently become obsessed by this crap. He's gone from buying huge amounts of gold and silver (luckily, his computer illiteracy stopped him from buying any bitcoins), to watching every goddamn video on youtube about how the jews caused 9/11 and the Boston bombings were staged 
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May 3, 2015 13:16
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My PIN is 4826 posted:Is there any good book about all these really stupid conspiracy theories? From a rational point of view, obviously. It's not exactly 9/11 Truthers and Sandy Hook nuts, but I was fond of THEM! Adventures With Extremists. It has a rather hilarious chapter on infiltrating the Bohemian Grove with Alex Jones, wherein Jones darts and rolls through the woods like an 11 year old playing war and Ronson simply walks through the gate and acts like he belongs there
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Shbobdb posted:It is not a one size fits asolsolution. I can't not read this as "rear end in a top hat solution."
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:It's not exactly 9/11 Truthers and Sandy Hook nuts, but I was fond of THEM! Adventures With Extremists. It has a rather hilarious chapter on infiltrating the Bohemian Grove with Alex Jones, wherein Jones darts and rolls through the woods like an 11 year old playing war and Ronson simply walks through the gate and acts like he belongs there Ronson is really good. He just recently published a book about what its like to be one of these nutcases. Almost makes you feel sorry for David Eck, but not really. Vermain posted:The absolute funniest thing about the whole Ancient Aliens series for me is that its most thorough debunking (in case it wasn't linked; it's a fantastic documentary) was done by, of all people, Chris White, the guy who believes sincerely in extradimensional demons and whose most recent publication was a thorough analysis of what form the Antichrist would take. Hah, I had no idea. I know Heisler is a very solid christian but he's also a genius when it comes to knowledge about ancient languages and text. http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/shownotes_097.php is a great interview where he points out that "flying silver disk" were words that existed in ancient languages so there was no need to straight up use flowery language to describe UFOs, among other things. SedanChair posted:Does he realize it was written decades before his birth? Hoegland is so full of himself he would probably just say that Burrough's was just the first to prove his theories. Okay, what the hell is this Jade helmet thing? I keep seeing people link to it on FB groups, but I never want to click on  sites.
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twistedmentat posted:Okay, what the hell is this Jade helmet thing? I keep seeing people link to it on FB groups, but I never want to click on
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Don't worry, Gov. Abott has the Texas military on the case! They'll make sure the feds don't take our guns! gently caress my state.
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My PIN is 4826 posted:Is there any good book about all these really stupid conspiracy theories? From a rational point of view, obviously.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Jade Helm 15 is a military exercise where a bunch of 2Fast2Furious Special Operators will fly around the Southwest engaging pretend insurgents on military training ranges and a few private properties rented for the exercise. Insane people have CONNECTED THE DOTS to some Wal-Mart stores closing in the same states and this means Obama/Lizard People/The Illuminati are taking over America. Isn't being able to see patterns in places there are non a mental illness?
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twistedmentat posted:Isn't being able to see patterns in places there are non a mental illness? No, that's the default state of the human brain. Continuing to defend that pattern viciously after someone points out how it doesn't hold starts to become an illness.
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Nintendo Kid posted:No, that's the default state of the human brain. Continuing to defend that pattern viciously after someone points out how it doesn't hold starts to become an illness. Is there a word for this? I know there's pareidolia for face patterns, but I've never heard a more general term.
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Schizophrenia.
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razorrozar posted:Is there a word for this? I know there's pareidolia for face patterns, but I've never heard a more general term. Pareidolia is the general term for seeing/hearing patterns in noise. You've probably just heard it applied to seeing faces because that's the pattern the human brain is the best at pulling out of nothing. Edit: Actually it's apparently "apophenia" for the most general term. Pareidolia is specific to sight. Theris fucked around with this message at 02:42 on May 4, 2015 |
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razorrozar posted:Is there a word for this? I know there's pareidolia for face patterns, but I've never heard a more general term. Pareidolia applies to all such things. "Recognizing" faces in things that don't actually have faces is simply the most common to see. For example, looking up at clouds and they look like something specific falls under it. Or seeing bushes move in the wind and instinctually assuming it's some manner of animal causing it.
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The podcast MonsterTalk's latest episode just happens to be about David Icke with Ronson as the special guest/interviewee. The podcast is put out by the Skeptic Society, it's generally more focused on cryptozoology, but it goes into more general conspiracy stuff sometimes like this episode and is generally very high quality.
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twistedmentat posted:Isn't being able to see patterns in places there are non a mental illness? One of the neat effects of psychedelics is how much it enhances your ability to see patterns. The sober conscious mind is really good at filtering out most of these as the bullshit they really are, but it's easy to see how some people might just not have that extra layer of mental defense. To the conspiracy theorist, that they can see these patterns implies that these patterns are meaningful and should be regarded.
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My PIN is 4826 posted:Is there any good book about all these really stupid conspiracy theories? From a rational point of view, obviously. Robotnik Nudes posted:http://www.amazon.com/The-Illuminatus-Trilogy-Pyramid-Leviathan/dp/0440539811 That book is lots of fun. If you ever decide you want crazy, this is for you: http://www.amazon.com/Behold-Horse-Milton-William-Cooper/dp/0929385225 And one day I'm going to experience the crazy that is a David Icke book but holy poo poo they are expensive.
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twistedmentat posted:Isn't being able to see patterns in places there are non a mental illness? Depends on what kind of patterns and how often. The brain looks at patterns but people that can look at say a string of numbers and notice a bunch of mathematical patterns are probably autistic. People that see "patterns" in human behavior are frequently schizophrenic, paranoid, or both; that's on the level of "David Letterman is speaking to me in code" and what have you. Other people that pick out the patterns in the world that others might miss just have good spatial awareness.
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Jack Gladney posted:Schizophrenia.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Depends on what kind of patterns and how often. The brain looks at patterns but people that can look at say a string of numbers and notice a bunch of mathematical patterns are probably autistic. People that see "patterns" in human behavior are frequently schizophrenic, paranoid, or both; that's on the level of "David Letterman is speaking to me in code" and what have you. Other people that pick out the patterns in the world that others might miss just have good spatial awareness. Or doctors, authors, lawyers, journalists, scientists, philosophers, mathematicians, historians, analysts, etc. You don't have to be autistic or schizophrenic to be perceptive, but it helps to be smart. Connecting the dots that others miss with abstract conceptualization and comprehensive knowledge is literally a definition or metric of intelligence. You're conflating psychosis and delusional paranoid organization of thoughts with standard cognitive functioning.
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So over the past year I've gotten into studying on the Chernobyl accident from '86 and goddamn, almost every site I go to there's at least one nutcase shouting "Fukushima is a hundred times worse!" "Responders expected to die!" "300 tons of radioactive water leaked into the ocean per day!" "Tuna caught off the US west coast are loaded with radiation!" and the master grand daddy of them all from some environmental nut (Harvey Wasserman) that's been crusading against nuclear power for 40 years; "I believe we got better information from the Soviet Union about Chernobyl than we're getting from TEPCO and the Japanese about Fukushima," all of it boils down to the US, Japan and TEPCO covering up everything site posted:I'm surprised there would even be a need for a debunking of ancient aliens. A coworker of mine is going to school to be a nurse/paramedic and he fully believes the ancient aliens bullshit including ancient nuclear power plants and obelisks around the world (including DC) being refueling sites for UFOs. In our discussing of my studying mentioned above he says "You know they found an old city where everyone was dead in the streets and had some heavy background radiation. It must have been a nuclear power station for aliens" you know, except for the whole half life things and actual science. v I think the fact people don't know how radiation or uranium work is what brings that about. I mean I've even seen people saying uranium explodes when it melts down. SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 07:14 on May 4, 2015 |
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SocketWrench posted:So over the past year I've gotten into studying on the Chernobyl accident from '86 and goddamn, almost every site I go to there's at least one nutcase shouting "Fukushima is a hundred times worse!" "Responders expected to die!" "300 tons of radioactive water leaked into the ocean per day!" "Tuna caught off the US west coast are loaded with radiation!" and the master grand daddy of them all from some environmental nut (Harvey Wasserman) that's been crusading against nuclear power for 40 years; I think conspiracy theorists and rabid environmentalists have a hard time accepting that Fukushima was: A) Reasonably well-handled and not a catastrophe like people associate with nuclear plants. B) Had actually a fairly local impact. C) Just a different circumstance than Chernobyl in every conceivable way. If you live within 50 miles of a coal power plant you get more radiation per day then you would eating a tuna you caught off the coast of Fukushima.
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