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CaptainCarrot posted:Sanders voted for the 2001 AUMF against the people who did 9/11, which passed 420-1 in the House and 98-0 in the Senate. He voted against the 2002 AUMF and the 2003 invasion, so I don't think one can fairly characterize him as voting for the war. quote:Also, I don't understand why anyone would discuss the John Birch Society in conjunction with Bernie Sanders, since they're hardcore libertarians.
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May 2, 2015 22:41
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mooyashi posted:oh like your friends have never pulled a prank on you When I said "like" I meant it unironically Shunting all responsibility onto now-defunct administration figures is the way to go.
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May 2, 2015 22:43
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mooyashi posted:oh like your friends have never pulled a prank on you "Haha, made you support the illegal invasion of a country on false premises!" 
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May 2, 2015 22:44
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Nessus posted:Why not? Why didn't Bernie have the courage that one guy in the House did? How do we know he won't just go to war with everyone anyway? I'm just asking questions. Not a guy. The vote against the 2001 AUMF was Barbara Lee (D-CA).
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May 2, 2015 22:45
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Cliff Racer posted:Also, a communist acquaintance of mine has weighed in on Bernie Some people just never want to be happy.
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May 2, 2015 22:47
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Joementum posted:Not a guy. The vote against the 2001 AUMF was Barbara Lee (D-CA).
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May 2, 2015 22:55
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Nessus posted:I would've guessed Ron Paul, honestly. Has anyone started a movement to draft Lee as the Only Pure One yet? Paul originally wanted to no poo poo issue letters of marque, as described in the constitution, but his staffers convinced him that voting no would be political suicide so he reluctantly voted yes.
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May 2, 2015 22:56
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PupsOfWar posted:I like the way Franken backed out of his Iraq War vote, by just explaining that he was tricked by the once-trusted Colin Powell and feels a great sense of betrayal. Franken didn't vote for it, he never held office until he won the 2008 election.
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May 2, 2015 22:57
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Hadaka Apron posted:Franken didn't vote for it, he never held office until he won the 2008 election. Hell, you're right, of course. Wellstone didn't vote fer it either. I'm misremembering, thinking of Franken's support for the war on the media circuits. al franken posted:Howard Dean actually kind of was right. He was against our going in. I think it was a mistake. I was wrong. At the time, I believed Colin Powell. I believed that the presumption that the president is telling you the truth, so I thought I guess we have to go to war. It turns out that we were misled into the war, and not only that, but that, since then, the war has been badly bungled because of hubris, unwillingness to admit mistakes.
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May 2, 2015 23:07
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Cliff Racer posted:Paul originally wanted to no poo poo issue letters of marque, as described in the constitution, but his staffers convinced him that voting no would be political suicide so he reluctantly voted yes.
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May 2, 2015 23:13
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Looks like we can't count out Kasich. I hate this rear end in a top hat so much. I'm hoping that trying to run as a moderate kills him in the primary, because I think he could actually have a shot in the general. Why are you scared of that completely generic white moderate male? I mean literally how would anyone identify this man in a already packed republican field? He is a unknown, has no big achievements, and his face is generic baby boomer #105.
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May 2, 2015 23:23
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Got into it with a high school acquaintance on Facebook about Hillary. He said she deserved being arrested for treason (giving Russians uranium). After arguing about Super PACs (liberal donors bad, conservative Super PACs good, I am authoritarian for wanting to end all PACs) he then ended by saying how the article I shared about it was bad because it was a false equivalency by saying conservatives do the same thing. Do people not realize that all candidates will be taking big money interests donations (even Bernie since he cannot control Super PACs)? Also, do most people realize that CGI is a charity and cannot actively get involved with politics?
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May 2, 2015 23:23
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PerpetualSelf posted:Why are you scared of that completely generic white moderate male?
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Got into it with a high school acquaintance on Facebook about Hillary. He said she deserved being arrested for treason (giving Russians uranium). After arguing about Super PACs (liberal donors bad, conservative Super PACs good, I am authoritarian for wanting to end all PACs) he then ended by saying how the article I shared about it was bad because it was a false equivalency by saying conservatives do the same thing. I don't think the argument about CGI is that they think it's directly engaging in the political process, but rather that donors to the Initiative are trying to curry favor and influence outside of the usual channels of lobbying/PACs. In some ways, you can argue that it is a problem because it's circumventing traditional forms of oversight, but it's rich coming from the same party that gave us the Cheney-Haliburton relationship. You are correct in that the CGI cannot do campaign activities or else they will lose their tax status and face lots of penalties, though.
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The CGI poo poo is so loving stupid. It's an actual charity, and yet it gets barrels of ink spilled about how nefarious it is(n't) yet the Beltway media largely shrugs about dark money groups who are actually abusing their social welfare status to run black box political groups. It's really dumb
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May 2, 2015 23:36
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Nessus posted:I would've guessed Ron Paul, honestly. Has anyone started a movement to draft Lee as the Only Pure One yet? Barbra Lee is my congresswoman and she would never run for president, no one outside of her congressional district knows who she is, but she's massively popular here, runs unopposed most of the time, and actually can get poo poo done for her district. A vanity run would only interfere with that.
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May 2, 2015 23:37
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The problem isn't political donations, its political donations by foreign governments. Or at least I think it is. Its more of a scandal than chipotlegate or whatever stupid poo poo was clogging up the right wing news waves at that time.
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May 2, 2015 23:38
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Cliff Racer posted:The problem isn't political donations, its political donations by foreign governments. Or at least I think it is. Its more of a scandal than chipotlegate or whatever stupid poo poo was clogging up the right wing news waves at that time. How prominent is foreign sponsorship, in relation to domestic funding? Like, is it even beyond statistical margin of error?
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May 2, 2015 23:43
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Nessus posted:I think the concern is that he manages to be so boring that all the more colorful clowns kill themselves, Kasich sweeps up as being the last man in the room, rides being Generic Republican to the presidency, etc. etc. How is a generic white republican going to win against loving Hillary of all people? You all keep going on and on about your friends not being enthusiastic for Hillary, etc, etc. she's really moderate etc. You have no loving clue how this translates to a general election. Moderate Democratics make killings in elections.
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May 2, 2015 23:49
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PerpetualSelf posted:How is a generic white republican going to win against loving Hillary of all people? Yeah, I seriously don't see any of the blue states from 2012 switching to red in a race between Hillary and any of the Republicans who are currently polling above the margin of error. Maybe Florida if it's Bush, I don't know what Floridians think of his legacy.
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May 3, 2015 00:00
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Early leader for "Pic of the Primary", right here. The Cruz photo was pretty good, if only because it looks like they're getting ready to brawl. Cliff Racer posted:Paul originally wanted to no poo poo issue letters of marque After 9/11? You're loving joking.
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May 3, 2015 00:00
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PerpetualSelf posted:How is a generic white republican going to win against loving Hillary of all people? I know! President Kerry really wiped the floor with Bush in '04!
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May 3, 2015 00:04
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PerpetualSelf posted:How is a generic white republican going to win against loving Hillary of all people? When was the last time a WHITE republican won an election? lol thats just absurd to imagine.
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mdemone posted:After 9/11? You're loving joking. Hahahaha no I'm not! Basically it would have been a combo of hoping random locals would want a payday (which we actually did do, just with information instead of scalps) and giving Blackwater and anyone else who wanted to go carte blanche to gently caress the place up searching for Osama without US military involvement. As to states which can switch, it all depends on conditions on election day. A LOT of states could flip if the wrong stuff happens at the right time. Hillary could even win by a bigger margin than Obama did- picking up Georgia, Arizona and maybe Missouri plus all of the Obama states.
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May 3, 2015 00:07
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Hillary knows how to smile, use inflection in her speech, doesn't look like Herman Munster, and won't be facing off against someone with Dubya's Aw Shucks charm.
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Wheeee posted:Hillary knows how to smile, use inflection in her speech, doesn't look like Herman Munster, and won't be facing off against someone with Dubya's Aw Shucks charm. Like it matters, a broken robot would get 48% for the GOP without even campaigning.
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Enigma89 posted:When they don't hold the mercenary groups accountable? I don't really see the big issue with mercenary groups. This whole thing started because of mercenary groups but the bigger question is who loving cares? quote:The [US] military was often outright hostile to contractors, for being amateurish, overpaid and, often, trigger-happy. Now as to holding mercenary groups accountable, there is one whole case of that happening: quote:On September 16, 2007, employees of Blackwater Security Consulting (since renamed Academi), a private military company, shot at Iraqi civilians killing 17 and injuring 20 in Nisour Square, Baghdad. The killings outraged Iraqis and strained relations between Iraq and the United States. In 2014, four Blackwater employees were tried and convicted in U.S. federal court; one of murder, and the other three of manslaughter and firearms charges. ''Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater/Xe/Academi" posted:I'm a very free market guy. I'm not a huge believer that government provides a whole lot of solutions. Some think that government can solve society's problems. I tend to think private charities and private organizations are better solutions. E: The point of this post is that Bernie is cool, and against contractors/mercenaries: quote:Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) today introduced legislation that would phase out private security contractors in war zones. fade5 fucked around with this message at 00:23 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 00:15
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Joementum posted:Not a guy. The vote against the 2001 AUMF was Barbara Lee (D-CA).
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Wheeee posted:Hillary knows how to smile, use inflection in her speech, doesn't look like Herman Munster, and won't be facing off against someone with Dubya's Aw Shucks charm. Hillary is one of those people who, like Mitt Romney, just looks evil. It doesn't matter if she's actually quite a nice person, she exudes evil vibes.
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Hillary Clinton is not charismatic at all. The good news is outside of maybe Huckabee's preacher charisma, neither are any of the Republican candidates.
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mdemone posted:After 9/11? You're loving joking. He's totally not! Congressman Ron Paul posted:The President promised the American people that the federal government would use every available resource to defeat the global terror network. Congress should immediately issue letters of marque and reprisal to add another weapon to the U.S. arsenal. The war on terrorism is very different from past wars, because the enemy is a group of individuals who do not represent any nation. Western intelligence in the Middle East is exceedingly limited, so we should avail ourselves of the assistance of those with better information to track, capture, or kill Bin Laden.
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Under the vegetable posted:Hillary is one of those people who, like Mitt Romney, just looks evil. It doesn't matter if she's actually quite a nice person, she exudes evil vibes. Searchers after horror haunt strange, far places. For them are the catacombs of Ptolemais, and the carven mausolea of the nightmare countries. They climb to the moonlit towers of ruined Rhine castles, and falter down black cobwebbed steps beneath the scattered stones of forgotten cities in Asia. The haunted wood and the desolate mountain are their shrines, and they linger around the sinister monoliths on uninhabited islands. But the true epicure in the terrible, to whom a new thrill of unutterable ghastliness is the chief end and justification of existence, esteems most of all the ancient, lonely farmhouses of backwoods Chappaqua; for there the dark elements of strength, solitude, grotesqueness, and ignorance combine to form the perfection of the hideous. 
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Under the vegetable posted:Hillary is one of those people who, like Mitt Romney, just looks evil. It doesn't matter if she's actually quite a nice person, she exudes evil vibes. Hillary looks Cool and was attractive 35 years ago. You've got it backwards.
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Weltlich posted:I know! President Kerry really wiped the floor with Bush in '04! Kerry was a white Democratic who was actually perceived as quite Liberal by the vast majority. He also was really boring and not really unique or noticeable and had no achievements in his name. If we had Howard Dean in that election we probably would of won.
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Cliff Racer posted:Hahahaha no I'm not! Basically it would have been a combo of hoping random locals would want a payday (which we actually did do, just with information instead of scalps) and giving Blackwater and anyone else who wanted to go carte blanche to gently caress the place up searching for Osama without US military involvement. She could even pick up Arkansas if she plays her cards rights and cozies up to the right people. (Wal-Mart) steinrokkan posted:Like it matters, a broken robot would get 48% for the GOP without even campaigning. 48% in elections these days is a utter landslide for the opposition candidate. Percentages don't mater BTW. Electoral Votes Do. gently caress Electoral Votes are probably the only reason Democrats have any chance anymore. PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 3, 2015 |
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PupsOfWar posted:Hillary looks Cool and was attractive 35 years ago. No, she's always looked like a reptilian bent on destroying all society. Mitt at least looked like a clueless android, which is a bit better.
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PerpetualSelf posted:Kerry was a white Democratic who was actually perceived as quite Liberal by the vast majority. He also was really boring and not really unique or noticeable and had no achievements in his name. If we had Howard Dean in that election we probably would of won. The point is that he lost the the huge gently caress-up of a president that was George Bush because he failed to motivate Democrats to turn out and vote for him. Weltlich fucked around with this message at 01:01 on May 3, 2015 |
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PupsOfWar posted:Hillary looks Cool and was attractive 35 years ago. All of the older women in my life have been abusive so I'll admit a bias.
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Ben Carson has some thoughts on guns. Some gun thoughts.quote:Number one, to make sure that the citizens could assist the military in case of invasion, and to think that that is farfetched, all you have to do is go to the Middle East and see some of the things that are happening there. I have a friend who is a missionary doctor, called me two weeks ago quite distressed, he was over in Iraq, went back to one of the villages that they had helped in before and it was desolate, ISIS had gotten there before them, killed all the men, taken the women captive, I mean, if those people had the ability to defend themselves maybe that wouldn’t have happened. To think that we are completely isolated from that I think is silly, particularly knowing that there are cells in this country right now. Thank goodness that, unlike the notoriously unarmed populations of the Middle East, Americans have the tools to defend themselves against the ISIS attack sqauds that are totally, probably within our borders. Perhaps even next door! OH NO THE ISIS IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE! quote:You know, we think that that is farfetched but you know you look at what has happened historically to nations where the government did become tyrannical and what did they do first? Get rid of people’s guns. Get rid of people’s guns rights. It was Thomas Hobbes, the English philosopher of the 17th century when talking about tyranny in Europe, he said it would never occur in America because American citizens have guns and they won’t let it happen. Hobbes died in 1679, but otherwise, sure, good point. Perhaps he was such a good philosopher that he found the Philosopher's Stone and became immortal. That's probably it.
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