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Lotka Volterra posted:What would you say is the functional difference between peaceful black protesters and peaceful white protesters? TSA only hates one of those groups
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I'd say that peacing out as soon as it becomes clear the police are not messing around has more to do with whether or not you get peppersprayed and handcuffed than the color of your skin.
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May 3, 2015 21:17
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joeburz posted:TSA only hates one of those groups Also the police have been openly baiting black protesters downtown into violence and then beating the dogshit out of them in response. edit: the curfew was incredibly stupid and enforced in the most blatantly racist way possible. Police response to protesters has been similarly racist and brutally violent without sufficient cause. CombineThresher fucked around with this message at 21:22 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 21:19
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'd say that peacing out as soon as it becomes clear the police are not messing around has more to do with whether or not you get peppersprayed and handcuffed than the color of your skin. It seems quite clear that the difference in time before the police "stop messing around" is pretty drastic between the two cases, however.
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May 3, 2015 21:22
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'd say that peacing out as soon as it becomes clear the police are not messing around has more to do with whether or not you get peppersprayed and handcuffed than the color of your skin. Ask Freddie Grey about peacing out from cops.
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May 3, 2015 21:36
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'd say that peacing out as soon as it becomes clear the police are not messing around has more to do with whether or not you get peppersprayed and handcuffed than the color of your skin.  Realtalk: Any time you find yourself saying "it's not because of racial bias, it's because of this other thing" it's actually because of racial bias.
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May 3, 2015 21:38
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It may be true that the police are treating black and white protesters differently, but nothing that was posted in the last few pages supports that contention. You can't say, "Look, the police didn't get physical with this white protest (that dispersed as soon as the police were about to get physical.)"
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May 3, 2015 21:56
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What is lost in this is that large chunks of protestors in the, what i don't know, 'dangerous' areas cleared out around 10. Large amounts of media members were allowed to stay behind.
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May 3, 2015 22:00
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Dead Reckoning posted:It may be true that the police are treating black and white protesters differently, but nothing that was posted in the last few pages supports that contention. You can't say, "Look, the police didn't get physical with this white protest (that dispersed as soon as the police were about to get physical.)" One group gets regular beat police that gave them multiple warnings; one I saw had the cop specifically say "This is your 2nd warning, I'll come back in 5 minutes and warn you a third time. Please return to your homes, I don't think either of us want any problems tonight." The other group gets a battalion in riot gear who are hostile from the get-go and react on a hair trigger to any and every perceived disobedience. The black protesters don't get a chance to disperse before the cops go from "present" to "getting physical".
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May 3, 2015 22:01
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Dead Reckoning posted:It may be true that the police are treating black and white protesters differently, but nothing that was posted in the last few pages supports that contention. You can't say, "Look, the police didn't get physical with this white protest (that dispersed as soon as the police were about to get physical.)" The white folks actually got a chance to disperse before the cops got violent though, the black folks tend to not even get a warning.
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May 3, 2015 22:01
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Dead Reckoning posted:It may be true that the police are treating black and white protesters differently, but nothing that was posted in the last few pages supports that contention. You can't say, "Look, the police didn't get physical with this white protest (that dispersed as soon as the police were about to get physical.)"
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May 3, 2015 22:02
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Lotka Volterra posted:What would you say is the functional difference between peaceful black protesters and peaceful white protesters? Generally a little bit of learnt racism and the location the protest is held. The white protesters are generally more racist than the police. Hence the reason they are not going to remove themselves from dadys little suburb to go protest with the others. You see this alot at college protest. Law enforcement officers don't normally start out racist contrary to what you might think. Its generally a learned behavior that comes about through most of the crimes you are dispatched to being committed by minorities and poor people. Now before you lash out and yell at me for being racist, I am not saying that white people don't commit crimes. I'm saying that the cops are not dispatched to those as often. Its not acceptable but unfortunately it happens. In hindsight im sorry for touching the poop but I spent to long typing this up on my phone not to post it.
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May 3, 2015 22:06
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Melthir posted:Generally a little bit of learnt racism and the location the protest is held. The white protesters are generally more racist than the police. Hence the reason they are not going to remove themselves from dadys little suburb to go protest with the others. You see this alot at college protest. "suburbs" 
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May 3, 2015 22:12
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Police response to white people protests - OK guys go home. No really it's curfew time and yo need to go home. First warning...OK you can leave now. We're serious. We're enforcing curfew and you might get hurt. Not by us I mean by other people. Second warning...leave before we start arresting people. You're obviously law-abiding citizens so you need to obey this law. OK, third warning...leave now or you go to the station. :white people leave: Police response to black people protests - :SMACK, BASH: STOP RESISTING!!! :PEPPER SPRAY: Yyyyyup, literally the same.
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May 3, 2015 22:13
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Well, except when the police occasionally spray non-resisting white protesters too just for the hell of it, like in that famous picture.
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May 3, 2015 22:15
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Samurai Sanders posted:Well, except when the police occasionally spray non-resisting white protesters too just for the hell of it, like in that famous picture. In this case I was largely referring to the response in Baltimore. If you're referring to the Occupy one that's kind of a different scenario; there was a massive crackdown nationwide on Occupy. That was more political than racial. Really different story.
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May 3, 2015 22:17
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Occupy was less gently caress THE (poor) BLACKS and more generally gently caress THE POOR AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM (or opposed wall street, same difference).
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May 3, 2015 22:21
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ToxicSlurpee posted:In this case I was largely referring to the response in Baltimore. If you're referring to the Occupy one that's kind of a different scenario; there was a massive crackdown nationwide on Occupy. That was more political than racial. Really different story.
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May 3, 2015 22:21
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Lotka Volterra posted:It seems quite clear that the difference in time before the police "stop messing around" is pretty drastic between the two cases, however. Yeah, protesters at Penn and North don't get the "one, two, two and a half...c'mon guys please don't make me bring out the riot cops" treatment. It goes straight to arrest and you're lucky if you're not roughed up first. Melthir posted:Generally a little bit of learnt racism and the location the protest is held. The white protesters are generally more racist than the police. Hence the reason they are not going to remove themselves from dadys little suburb to go protest with the others. You see this alot at college protest. Except those protesting from "daddy's little suburb" last night did so specifically to highlight the disparate reaction they knew they'd get from police. Look up #BreakTheCurfew posts on Twitter from last night, they got kid-gloves treatment if the cops even bothered to show up at all. People drank alcohol openly on the sidewalk after curfew and police drove right on by or offered them rides home.
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May 3, 2015 22:27
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Rhesus Pieces posted:The point is the night-and-day difference between the way the white protesters in the wealthier part of town get an adult conversation and zero violence on their third warning that they are breaking curfew whereas the black protester at Penn and North gets immediate violence in response to passive resistance. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/wat...5oZAzi7E.reddit Now with video. Edit: police fundraising shirt, actual. 
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May 3, 2015 22:30
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Research suggests that family violence is two to four times higher in the law-enforcement community than in the general population. That's some loving outrageous numbers, god drat. 
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May 3, 2015 22:31
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Here is another good one. Hidden Camera Catches NYPD Cops Arresting Man For No Reason, “I Don’t Even Know Why we Pulled Him Over” http://www.surenews.com/controversial/hidden-camera-catches-nypd-cops-arresting-man-for-no-reason-making-up-purpose-for-stopping-him/ All the more reason to buy a dashcam for my car. "What should we charge him with?" bob says as he takes a swig, "I dunno jimbob, make something up."
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May 3, 2015 22:37
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SpeedGem posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/wat...5oZAzi7E.reddit Just leaving a guy they peppered sprayed on the ground after throwing water on his face seems pretty par for the course on how the BPD treat people in their custody. Edit: Didn't this shirt come out right after Eric Garner was killed? Ralepozozaxe fucked around with this message at 23:00 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 22:42
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Kitfox88 posted:Research suggests that family violence is two to four times higher in the law-enforcement community than in the general population. Fits right in with the fact that cops are twice as likely to rape and five times as likely to murder compared to the average citizen.
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May 3, 2015 22:44
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7c Nickel posted:Fits right in with the fact that cops are twice as likely to rape and five times as likely to murder compared to the average citizen. Sounds like we need to do something about Cop Culture.
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May 3, 2015 22:47
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Applies to firemen and medics, too
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May 3, 2015 22:48
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7c Nickel posted:Fits right in with the fact that cops are twice as likely to rape and five times as likely to murder compared to the average citizen. Even though I often trot stats like this out to troll, they're disingenuous. It turns out the police forces are disproportionately young and male. Guess who does most raping and killing?
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May 3, 2015 22:51
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mlmp08 posted:Even though I often trot stats like this out to troll, they're disingenuous. Doesn't make it acceptable.
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May 3, 2015 22:52
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Enourmo posted:The other group gets a battalion in riot gear who are hostile from the get-go and react on a hair trigger to any and every perceived disobedience. SpeedGem posted:Edit: police fundraising shirt, actual.
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May 3, 2015 22:54
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SpeedGem posted:Edit: police fundraising shirt, actual. Goddamn. This is just savage.
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May 3, 2015 22:57
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mlmp08 posted:Even though I often trot stats like this out to troll, they're disingenuous. Sounds like a flaw in recruiting strategy.
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May 3, 2015 22:58
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Melthir posted:I'm saying that the cops are not dispatched to those as often. Look at crime stats reported by the police themselves, the people who commit the most crimes total are young white males. If they're learning to be racist because they only interact with black people committing crimes I'd agree, but that's not the reality, they go in racist and their confirmation bias reaffirms their feelings.
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May 3, 2015 23:00
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Doesn't make it acceptable. Sure. But by that metric high schoolers are the worst as well as any male on college.
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May 3, 2015 23:00
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Sounds like a flaw in recruiting strategy. You're right cops should recruit more elderly retired women to cut down on rape stats.
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May 3, 2015 23:01
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mlmp08 posted:Sure. But by that metric high schoolers are the worst as well as any male on college. According to the crime stats you're right, violent crimes are perpetrated most often by white males between the ages of 16 and 24. http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/bjs/apvsvc.pdf
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May 3, 2015 23:04
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mlmp08 posted:You're right cops should recruit more elderly retired women to cut down on rape stats. Young women, middle aged men without violent pasts would probably be smart groups to emphasize.
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May 3, 2015 23:05
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Young women, middle aged men without violent pasts would probably be smart groups to emphasize. Nah, it sounds better to push my agenda if you say only elderly women should be police officers.
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May 3, 2015 23:06
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Just leaving a guy they peppered sprayed on the ground after throwing water on his face seems pretty par for the course on how the BPD treat people in their custody. Yep, it did. 
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ElCondemn posted:Nah, it sounds better to push my agenda if you say only elderly women should be police officers. Okay, recruit a few of them just to tag along with the young guys. They don't have to get physical. The young guys just have to look over and see if Nana thinks they are doing the right thing every once in a while.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Doesn't make it acceptable. But it might nullify the significance. Anyone have an analysis on those figures handy?
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