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Dolash posted:The Democratic field is a little thin this time around, but are there any other potential candidates who might try for a Quixotic progressive run or will Bernie remain the home for left-wing Democrats who want to make a point in the primary before voting Lesser Evil in the general? I'm assuming most of the more moderate candidates are more interested in biding their time and running when a giant like Hillary isn't in play. I can't imagine a more conservative/centrist Dem would be interested in running to Hillary's right and trying to press her the way Bernie will be from the left, Hillary probably already has the support of that wing of the party locked up. Let's round up the other Democratic ambitiousness this cycle: Jay Nixon is a perfect centrist with a tough-on-blacks demeanor. His only hope is that riots continue to spread throughout summer and that America begins to sour on substantive dialogue on the structural inequalities which inflict our political system. Rahm Emanuel has a record of progressivism which Hillary, with her whole reset button and foreign contribution gaffes, could never hope to match. Martin O'Malley is a Jay Nixon-like centrist with contrapositive stances towards race relations in America. He's the pick you make if riots continue throughout summer and the national rhetoric continued to focus on structural inequality in American politics. Joe Biden is the greatest Vice President America has seen, with an emphasis on the Vice. He's everything good about Hillary, without the baggage of her foreign policy failures. He's a man who calls it like it is, and for that, he is one of our world's greatest experts on all areas of foreign policy, especially those applicable to terrorism and Turkey. Unfortunately, perhaps due to his various vices, Biden is a cautious player and far too likely to jump into the primary too late for serious contention. Bernie Sanders is like Barney Frank, except...not Barney. He probably is very pro maple syrup and cheddar, and would support expanding food stamps to cover Vermont Cheddar as his solution to the potential '15-'16 "summer of riots." I read his entrance in the race a real 'gently caress you' to Biden's potential to be a true American leader and lead our nation on a better path. Hillary...she needs no words. She's been refusing to make hard choices so far and has gone with the easy stances such as funding of police bodycams. The longer she stays without a known stance on a hard issue, the better a position she'll be in to ride the winds of public opinion. In the fall, she's likely to have to choose between shoring up her opinion with middle-class whites by backing Nixon's rhetoric, or appealing to all-but-upper-class African Americans by going with O'Malley's rhetoric. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 00:05 on May 4, 2015 |
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Honestly if Bernie doesn't win the primaries I'm going full accelerationist and voting a straight R in the general.
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May 4, 2015 00:04
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Under the vegetable posted:Honestly if Bernie doesn't win the primaries I'm going full accelerationist and voting a straight R in the general. Vote D, straight D, and write in Rahm.
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May 4, 2015 00:05
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Under the vegetable posted:
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May 4, 2015 00:14
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Karnegal posted:good for you I'm not sure what you mean.
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May 4, 2015 00:15
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Bernie has a significant chance to win the nomination and presidency. This reminds me of when people thought Obama had no chance, when anyone with eyes and a brain knew he was the next POTUS the second he entered the race.
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May 4, 2015 00:16
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Under the vegetable posted:Bernie has a significant chance to win the nomination and presidency. I guess he's polling above 5% so this is technically true.
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May 4, 2015 00:17
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Under the vegetable posted:Bernie has a significant chance to win the nomination and presidency. This reminds me of when people thought Obama had no chance, when anyone with eyes and a brain knew he was the next POTUS the second he entered the race. bernie has one thousandth the charm or charisma campaign obama had.
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May 4, 2015 00:17
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Karnegal posted:good for you Yeah, let's embrace defeatism and vote for a despicable status quo candidate instead, because we need our vote to matter!
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May 4, 2015 00:18
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Under the vegetable posted:Honestly if Bernie doesn't win the primaries I'm going full accelerationist and voting a straight R in the general. White male Democrat spotted.
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May 4, 2015 00:22
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Under the vegetable posted:Bernie has a significant chance to win the nomination and presidency. This reminds me of when people thought Obama had no chance, when anyone with eyes and a brain knew he was the next POTUS the second he entered the race. Poe's law is a pain.
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May 4, 2015 00:22
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Gen. Ripper posted:White male Democrat spotted. If I voted for the next potential candidate who I most agree with, Jill Stein, it would accomplish the same thing, so I might as well be honest about the endgame.
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May 4, 2015 00:24
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Gen. Ripper posted:White male Democrat spotted. if u no vote hillary u sexist white male who b white and male and sexist
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May 4, 2015 00:25
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:bernie has one thousandth the charm or charisma campaign obama had. He also has one thousandth the amount of empty promises/lies campaign Obama had.
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May 4, 2015 00:27
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Bernie Sanders isn't so popular that everyone in the United States knows who he is. Hillary Clinton has huge recognition, whether that's a good or a bad thing I dunno. I don't see him winning the nomination.
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May 4, 2015 00:28
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Wow, first black president! He's saying all the right things! He's got such a nice smile! I only wish there was any evidence he actually believed the stuff he's saying! vs Wow, this guy's been saying the same poo poo for 30 years and now he's running for president on that platform, I never thought that would happen!
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May 4, 2015 00:28
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steinrokkan posted:if u no vote hillary u sexist white male who b white and male and sexist If you seriously advocate accelerationism you're probably a white male piece of poo poo who has never had to deal with a day of the hardship the poor and minorities face in this country, because otherwise you wouldn't advocate letting the people will make those problems even worse win.
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May 4, 2015 00:29
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Hollismason posted:Bernie Sanders isn't so popular that everyone in the United States knows who he is. Hillary Clinton has huge recognition, whether that's a good or a bad thing I dunno. I don't see him winning.
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May 4, 2015 00:29
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Here we go: Ben Carson is announcing in the morning!
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May 4, 2015 00:29
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Bernie Sanders is not going to win the Presidential Nomination.
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Gen. Ripper posted:If you seriously advocate accelerationism you're probably a white male piece of poo poo who has never had to deal with a day of the hardship the poor and minorities face in this country, because otherwise you wouldn't advocate letting the people will make those problems even worse win. Like I said, If I voted for the next potential candidate who I most agree with, Jill Stein, it would accomplish the same thing as voting Republican, so I might as well be honest about the endgame. I still vote as left as possible in all local elections, which is kind of what really matters. I can only hope all of you also vote in local elections and midterms if you actually care as much about the future of the country as you let on.
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Gen. Ripper posted:If you seriously advocate accelerationism you're probably a white male piece of poo poo who has never had to deal with a day of the hardship the poor and minorities face in this country, because otherwise you wouldn't advocate letting the people will make those problems even worse win. poor Americans
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Under the vegetable posted:If I voted for the next potential candidate who I most agree with, Jill Stein, it would accomplish the same thing, so I might as well be honest about the endgame. If you feel - as you're saying - that voting for someone other than the Democrat contributes to the success of the Republican, then you're just straight up supporting the Republican at that point, and I'm sure they appreciate your support for turning the poor into bombs to drop on Iranian housing projects. If you feel that you should vote for the person who best represents your interests, period, you would instead vote for Stein in that situation.
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May 4, 2015 00:31
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My Imaginary GF posted:Let's round up the other Democratic ambitiousness this cycle: You know MIGF, I used to think you were just a shallow idiot, but posts like this prove that beneath that there's a shallowness I'd never imagined could exist.
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May 4, 2015 00:31
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Go outside and speak with someone and ask them if they know who Bernie Sanders is. Then ask if they know who Hillary Clinton is.
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May 4, 2015 00:33
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gently caress Clinton, Sanders owns peace
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Gen. Ripper posted:If you seriously advocate accelerationism you're probably a white male piece of poo poo who has never had to deal with a day of the hardship the poor and minorities face in this country, because otherwise you wouldn't advocate letting the people will make those problems even worse win. 
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May 4, 2015 00:35
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listen here white dude *literally cannot think of a worse insult*
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May 4, 2015 00:36
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Nessus posted:This seems dumb under both theories of how to vote. If you feel that the Democratic candidate in this hypothetical scenario isn't just as happy about dropping weaponized poors on Iranian nuclear families, I have to say that also kind of seems dumb to me. Voting for the candidate who best represents my interests in the general election, where she will, at best, recieve 5% of the vote, is meaningless. I'm not actually an accelerationist though and have to admit my claim that I'd vote Republican out of spite was a joke.
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Good substantive posts. Thanks for contributing.
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Hollismason posted:Go outside and speak with someone and ask them if they know who Bernie Sanders is. Then ask if they know who Hillary Clinton is. I have, and they mostly do, and are already claiming they plan to vote for him. The ones who did not know who he is have been informed by me and many of them seem positive about his prospects.
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Under the vegetable posted:Honestly if Bernie doesn't win the primaries I'm going full accelerationist and voting a straight R in the general. The stupid always comes out.
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I will only vote Republican if Rand Paul wins the nomination. I think he has a great platform and his record in the senate is inspiring.
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May 4, 2015 00:37
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They're completely correct, go cry to your college communist group about it.
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May 4, 2015 00:38
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Nintendo Kid posted:The stupid always comes out. It's kind of gauche to announce your own arrival, unless you're the Road Dogg and "Bad rear end" Billy Gunn.
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May 4, 2015 00:38
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It's really loving hilarious how the liberal elite leftists that benefit most from Hillary Clinton's focus on the middle and upper classes use "you don't care about the ~*poor and minorities*~" as a cudgel against actual marginalized people
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May 4, 2015 00:39
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Nintendo Kid posted:The stupid always comes out. excellent username/post combo
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Series DD Funding posted:They're completely correct, go cry to your college communist group about it. While you vote for somebody who is equally toxic, but hides it behind a fake smile and flavor-of-the-day pointless issues.
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Segmentation Fault posted:excellent username/post combo Watch out, you're talking to fishmech. This isn't just some random D&D extra you're dealing with here. Tread carefully.
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Series DD Funding posted:They're completely correct, go cry to your college communist group about it. This lifetime rich white man backed by banks and corporations is the worst ever and will kill our country! This lifetime rich white woman backed by banks and corporations, however, is a shining light of progress.
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