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Pander posted:Dude, I'm not a fan of this glorified UPS, but you really need to chill the gently caress out. You sound like a crazy person with a paranoid hatred toward Musk. To be fair, I'm more mad at the idiot poster who has the reading comprehension of a 5 year old than I am at Musk. I mean, seriously. I'll take my licks when they're due, but at least put some modicum of effort into reading a post if you're going to discuss an issue, otherwise what's the point?
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HeKiller-of-Lawyers posted:Nice reading comprehension. I said the power pack, not the loving power wall. He showed it in the video I have only heard of this guy's name in passing and never seen him speak or anything he has done. Good to know he can make someone so mad though. goodness fucked around with this message at 20:51 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 20:48
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That's fantastic. He showed me a box in the video. I'll just calculate it's dimensions based on Elon's shoe size and my protractor.
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May 1, 2015 20:50
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I'm sure when you can order it you will be able to see the dimensions.Killer-of-Lawyers posted:That's fantastic. He showed me a box in the video. I'll just calculate it's dimensions based on Elon's shoe size and my protractor.
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May 1, 2015 20:52
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So what's the point of this entire circle then? The article I linked asked the question about the power pack, I asked the same question, and you started babbling about the wall. I'm sure we'll know it eventually, but if you're going to show some info graphics in a video it's usually a good idea to provide the viewing public with your numbers.
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May 1, 2015 20:54
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If only Elon Musk, who is solely responsible for solving our energy storage problem, would get off his rear end and solve the problem for everybody! What a selfish piece of poo poo!
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May 1, 2015 20:57
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I mistook what you said at first. But why are you so angry about something that could change the world for a lot of people. Just like we have programs that have developed cheap laptops for poor countries, the same will happen with this. I know it will help me a lot so I can achieve my goal of getting off the grid.
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May 1, 2015 20:59
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I like elon Musk. He's cool. He's got a funny name, too. LOL "musk". Anyway these batteries sound neat.
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May 1, 2015 22:07
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I want to know how you recharge a 90 kw power pack off solar alone, for all those who are going on and on about living off the grid with it. Its a neat idea, but it really doesn't make sense outside of maybe being used at a cabin with very little draw.
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May 1, 2015 22:13
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Anosmoman posted:The point is it doesn't matter if NASA greenlighted it to fly on rockets. NASA greenlighted the engine on the curiosity rover and I wouldn't put that in my car, plane, train or boat. Things are engineered for different tasks and being exceptionelly well - or poorly - engineered for one thing does not inform you of anything else. Tesla batteries could be immensely well suited for space travel and still be the most expensive and impractical batteries on Earth. Obviously you're not a very big fan of Tang
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CommieGIR posted:I want to know how you recharge a 90 kw power pack off solar alone, for all those who are going on and on about living off the grid with it. I'm interested in what it would look like on a house, as well. I think the article at one point mentioned 1200 watt average draw for US houses? How many square feet of solar panels would you need in order to meet that without having any outages, assuming you have battery for when it's dark?
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CommieGIR posted:I want to know how you recharge a 90 kw power pack off solar alone, for all those who are going on and on about living off the grid with it. Where does the '90' figure come from? The assumption with most home solar installations is that you will aim for break-even by selling surplus to the grid during peak production, and drawing from the grid at night when your panels aren't producing. I'm sure it varies by locale, but at least here in CA I'm on PG&E and my understanding of how it works is that I'm credited for my surplus power at whatever rate I'm drawing at when I'm running the meter forward. So I'm generating power and selling it to PG&E at peak times, but getting compensated at off-peak rates. The benefit of the battery is ostensibly never having to draw from the grid. So the battery system's break-even point is whatever the difference is between the cost of the battery and what it costs me to draw the amount of power I'm drawing at off-peak times and rates. I'm planning to have solar installed this year, and just for the panels targeting a net-zero grid usage I was looking at 7 years to break even. I'll have to look at my numbers to see if the battery system makes sense for me. A big question is the expected life of the batteries.
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Family Values posted:Where does the '90' figure come from? My mistake, its a 10 kwh or 6 kwh
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YarPirate posted:I'm interested in what it would look like on a house, as well. I think the article at one point mentioned 1200 watt average draw for US houses? How many square feet of solar panels would you need in order to meet that without having any outages, assuming you have battery for when it's dark? You can do a back-of-the-envelope calculation using this website: http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data/nsrdb/1961-1990/redbook/atlas/ and this spreadsheet: http://www.eia.gov/electricity/sales_revenue_price/xls/table5_a.xls If I did the calculation correctly, for Iowa in December, with 20% efficient flat plate solar panels, you'd need about 50 m^2 or a 25 ft x 25 ft area to generate 30 kWh per day, enough electricity to power the average residence in Iowa. This is neglecting electrical system losses. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 00:06 on May 2, 2015 |
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CommieGIR posted:My mistake, its a 10 kwh or 6 kwh 90 kwh wasn't totally out of nowhere, you might have read something about how you can have up to 9 of them per home, so 90kwh. quote:Powerwall comes in 10 kWh weekly cycle and 7 kWh daily cycle models. Both are guaranteed for ten years and are sufficient to power most homes during peak evening hours. Multiple batteries may be installed together for homes with greater energy need, up to 90 kWh total for the 10 kWh battery and 63 kWh total for the 7 kWh battery.
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May 2, 2015 04:21
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I seem to remember that Killer-of-Lawyers' hate-boner for Musk came up in the Spaceflight thread. It was revealed that his problem with him boiled down to his belief that he was a super-libertarian, but that literally his only proof that he actually was a libertarian was just that he knows Peter Thiel.
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I'm pretty sure I tried to equate his mars plans with Galt's Gulch too.http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/11/28/no-death-no-taxes posted:Musk added, “I’m somewhat libertarian, but Peter’s extremely libertarian.” There, from the horses mouth. There's also a good quote from the man about taxes being theft, dudes super libertarian nutty. Killer-of-Lawyers fucked around with this message at 05:50 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 05:37
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Makes sense that you'd hate Musk so much more than all the other billionaire industrialists since they're all so much more left-wing than him. Famously there's the large coterie of communist billionaire industrialists out there.
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May 2, 2015 05:51
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I'd probably hate a commie just as much, tbh
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May 2, 2015 06:03
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What is a good book to read to learn the basics of this kind of stuff for a consumer?
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Musk is a cool dude who's made some cool stuff. at "I can't believe [cutting-edge consumer tech] is being targeted at the rich! Obviously if the initial things are priced for rich people, all future iterations will be similarly priced, just like all other technology throughout history."How many times do we have to have this cycle repeat before some people notice that technology tends to get cheaper over time?
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goodness posted:What is a good book to read to learn the basics of this kind of stuff for a consumer? Energy for Future Presidents is probably the best primer out there. It's aimed at a general audience but was written by a Berkeley physicist who actually understands the science and economics behind all of the major energy issues, but he's managed to boil all of that information down into a primer that anyone should be able to handle. It's also a forward-looking piece of literature
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:I'm pretty sure I tried to equate his mars plans with Galt's Gulch too. And? Like you do know that there is a range of libertarian positions right and that most of them don't involve purestrain objectivist lunacy?
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, it won't be the last. Sorry about this time though. On the upside I learned a lot of neat stuff. If the price of 18650's drops when Musk's factory comes online then they'll probably remain significantly cheaper than the bigger automotive cells even as they come down in cost. I still hope someone else besides Musk comes along in the market though! As a EE I'll also admit I was fairly skeptical of large battery packs for automotive applications. I was pretty sure that there would be no way around monitoring individual cells, which would be insanely difficult, but apparently they can get away with just monitoring banks. Unfortunately I am incapable of reading patent-speak without having a stroke, so I may never find out!
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Lawman 0 posted:And? Actually I think that most of them do involve purestrain objectivist lunacy, but some don't
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Lawman 0 posted:And? All libertarian positions are either lunacy or things that happen to coincide with sane positions due to random chance.
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Nintendo Kid posted:All libertarian positions are either lunacy or things that happen to coincide with sane positions due to random chance. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:All libertarian positions are either lunacy or things that happen to coincide with sane positions due to random chance. All stopped clocks something something.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:As a EE I'll also admit I was fairly skeptical of large battery packs for automotive applications. I was pretty sure that there would be no way around monitoring individual cells, which would be insanely difficult, but apparently they can get away with just monitoring banks. Unfortunately I am incapable of reading patent-speak without having a stroke, so I may never find out! You don't have to do realtime monitoring of each cell you "just" have to isolate a single damaged cell from causing more damage which tesla did.
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Hmm, i wonder what's the political ideology of your average nuclear industry executive?
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Can't find much. Westinghouses executive seems pretty standard and talks a lot about working with embassies and governments. Googling nuclear power executives and libertarianism gives a lot of hits about the inherent statism of nuclear power. None of the ones I've seen interviews on set off my randar, and libertarians are idiots that scream their ideology all the time.
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Family Values posted:Hmm, i wonder what's the political ideology of your average nuclear industry executive? Probably an in-law to the military-industrial complex that's given the stink eye from both the right wing (supplanting oil and coal interests) and the green party (this party has no idea how radiation works).
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I tend to assume that executives have a strong conservative bent no matter what industry they're in. More often than not, it's true.
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QuarkJets posted:I tend to assume that executives have a strong conservative bent no matter what industry they're in. More often than not, it's true. Probably this. The major fleets (Exelon, Duke) also have coal plants they own and operate. So you get poo poo where they simultaneously tout how amazing and green nuclear power is even as they argue that a coal fly ash spill into a river isn't all that bad, just a lil oopsie. I'm bleeding heart and all that, but I don't really care about the political leaning of the energy source. I care more about the energy source.
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QuarkJets posted:I tend to assume that executives have a strong conservative bent no matter what industry they're in. More often than not, it's true. Definitely, but there's a big difference between a pro business republican and randroids.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Definitely, but there's a big difference between a pro business republican and randroids. No argument there
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I used to support nuclear power but an atomic energy lobbyist used the wrong pronoun while attempting to speak in support of some gender issues so I'm back looking for an ideologically pure source of energy.
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Baronjutter posted:I used to support nuclear power but an atomic energy lobbyist used the wrong pronoun while attempting to speak in support of some gender issues so I'm back looking for an ideologically pure source of energy. Twitter and tumblr outrage would make an amazing energy source. Because its driven by perpetual motion. 
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Baronjutter posted:I used to support nuclear power but an atomic energy lobbyist used the wrong pronoun while attempting to speak in support of some gender issues so I'm back looking for an ideologically pure source of energy. No true energy source!
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Baronjutter posted:I used to support nuclear power but an atomic energy lobbyist used the wrong pronoun while attempting to speak in support of some gender issues so I'm back looking for an ideologically pure source of energy. We still hate Elon Musk though, right? I wouldn't want to make excuses for the political leanings of only one favored sector of the energy industry.
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