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The cool thing about the vigilante costume is it was actually really menacing, it looked like something a slasher villain might wear in a horror movie, and the way it obscured only his eyes gave him a really unique, eery appearance. It was actually a really great costume, so the red body-suit, even if it's "okay", is a huge downgrade. IMO you could never do those great shots where Daredevil is suddenly looming in the shadowy background with the new costume. The vigilante costume was really evocative and beautiful in it's simplicity, the super hero costume just looks like any other super hero costume - colored leather and a goofy looking headpiece/mask.
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The thing about how good the vigilante costume looked is that now I know that Iron Fist is going to look loving AWESOME.
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I almost hope a running joke in the beginning of season 2 is criminals laughing at his outfit and he doesn't get it due to his blindness.
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May 3, 2015 21:23
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greatn posted:Presenting himself as a blind superhero is a little compromising of his secret id. He was already doing that by having a black bandana wrapped around his head and eyes. At least with a superhero costume people might think he has a way of seeing out.
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May 3, 2015 21:47
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Snak posted:The thing about how good the vigilante costume looked is that now I know that Iron Fist is going to look loving AWESOME. I'm personally hoping for the classic green and yellow costume with the deep V neck and the giant collar, but I am prepared to be disappointed,
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May 3, 2015 21:53
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Oasx posted:He was already doing that by having a black bandana wrapped around his head and eyes. At least with a superhero costume people might think he has a way of seeing out. The idea that he could see out but others couldn't see his eyes is among the more believable things that are possible within the confines of the show. Its a hell of a lot more effective at hiding someones identity than say Batman's cowl. I also liked that his suit was form fitting while his civilian clothes were pretty loose so his body shape was pretty well concealed. It was a bit surprising that none of the 150 dudes he beat the poo poo out of didn't think to mention that his eyes were totally covered.
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SiKboy posted:I'm personally hoping for the classic green and yellow costume with the deep V neck and the giant collar, but I am prepared to be disappointed,
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May 3, 2015 21:56
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Oasx posted:He was already doing that by having a black bandana wrapped around his head and eyes. At least with a superhero costume people might think he has a way of seeing out.
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May 3, 2015 22:23
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Depending on the fabric used, it is entirely possible to see through what looks like opaque material on the outside.
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Fasdar posted:Depending on the fabric used, it is entirely possible to see through what looks like opaque material on the outside. This isn't just a hypothetical, the costumer did an interview and talked about making sure that mask was see through because, as said, there are very few real-life blind kung fu masters doing stuntwork in Hollywood.
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May 3, 2015 23:10
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SiKboy posted:I'm personally hoping for the classic green and yellow costume with the deep V neck and the giant collar, but I am prepared to be disappointed, I'm hoping for shirtless with Tattoo on chest. Aka this look as his main costume.  edit: but replace the metal wrist bands with regular wrist wraps, like a normal person would wear.
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May 3, 2015 23:44
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Snak posted:I'm hoping for shirtless with Tattoo on chest. If he STARTS shirtless, then how will we be able to tell that this fight is particularly taxing? Thats like suggesting that superman should have a ripped cape as his normal uniform. Giant, bright yellow popped disco collar for day to day wear, shirtless for poo poo Just Got Real fights.
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SiKboy posted:If he STARTS shirtless, then how will we be able to tell that this fight is particularly taxing? Thats like suggesting that superman should have a ripped cape as his normal uniform. Giant, bright yellow popped disco collar for day to day wear, shirtless for poo poo Just Got Real fights. Easy, the more real poo poo gets, the more his fist will glow. edit: have his chi energy BURN HIS SHIRT OFF when poo poo really gets real.
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Just finishing watching this and read the last dozen pages of the thread. Definitely an awesome show, but what's the deal with making such a fuss over Matt never killing anybody, when he literally sets Nobu on fire and watches him burn to death? Everything else you could handwave away as 'he's just crippling people, not killing them', but that was pretty black and white.
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Here's the end of the Nobu fight, for reference: https://youtu.be/G4TJWBT77uA?t=306
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Vulpes posted:Just finishing watching this and read the last dozen pages of the thread. Definitely an awesome show, but what's the deal with making such a fuss over Matt never killing anybody, when he literally sets Nobu on fire and watches him burn to death? Everything else you could handwave away as 'he's just crippling people, not killing them', but that was pretty black and white. It is more about Matt not setting out with the intent to kill someone. In the Nobu fight it was pretty clear Matt was about to be killed.
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Vulpes posted:Just finishing watching this and read the last dozen pages of the thread. Definitely an awesome show, but what's the deal with making such a fuss over Matt never killing anybody, when he literally sets Nobu on fire and watches him burn to death? Everything else you could handwave away as 'he's just crippling people, not killing them', but that was pretty black and white. There is a difference between killing and murder. Matt didn't set out to murder Nobu; he didn't even want to fight him. While I would certainly say that Matt should probably bring something up in confession ("I fought a guy and he went on fire and died. How many Hail Mary's for that?") it's not up there with Murder 1, in the legal sense.
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I don't really buy the 'he started it' defence. It's easy for a viewer to say 'he only kills when he's in mortal danger', but it's a lot harder for the character to draw that line mid-battle. There were plenty of other fights in the show where Matt was down and basically out for the count, but manages to regroup and non-lethally subdue his opponent(s). For the record, I like that he killed Nobu, I just wish they had acknowledged it, even just as a throwaway line to the priest or something.
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Vulpes posted:I don't really buy the 'he started it' defence. It's easy for a viewer to say 'he only kills when he's in mortal danger', but it's a lot harder for the character to draw that line mid-battle. There were plenty of other fights in the show where Matt was down and basically out for the count, but manages to regroup and non-lethally subdue his opponent(s). I dunno, I feel like that fight was distinctly Matt at his most overwhelmed. Though I agree they should have acknowledged it.
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That's actually what I hate about "super heroes who don't kill" in general: How the gently caress can you beat people senseless, through them off buildings, and then claim you're not a killer. This whole comic-book bullshit rule is based on the idea that it's always possible to stop just short of killing people. The reality is that if you are hitting someone, the might die. If you are hitting them a lot and throwing them off a 5 story building, they might die. The idea that heroes are better than villains because villains choose to kill people and heroes don't is this artificial fictional difference that doesn't make any sense.
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Vulpes posted:I don't really buy the 'he started it' defence. It's easy for a viewer to say 'he only kills when he's in mortal danger', but it's a lot harder for the character to draw that line mid-battle. There were plenty of other fights in the show where Matt was down and basically out for the count, but manages to regroup and non-lethally subdue his opponent(s). Not sure why you're still using spoiler tags. Also I disagree. His fight with Nobu was qualitatively different, in the sense that Nobu made it clear, both with his words and his actions, that it was a fight to the death. Matt was also outmatched and didn't have the option of merely subduing his opponent. Besides, we're talking about a guy who drops fire extinguishers on people's heads from the fifth floor, which can easily be fatal. Even with his superpowers there was no way for Matt to know that doing so would not have killed the guy - he just got lucky. So he doesn't really have an issue with killing people when he needs to. He just avoids it as much as possible, and does that pretty successfully imo.
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The idea with Nobu is that I don't think Matt intended anything. He just deflected the attack and whoops, irony.
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Whenever I've broken a bulb it's never been that dramatic.
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Snak posted:That's actually what I hate about "super heroes who don't kill" in general: How the gently caress can you beat people senseless, through them off buildings, and then claim you're not a killer. This whole comic-book bullshit rule is based on the idea that it's always possible to stop just short of killing people. The reality is that if you are hitting someone, the might die. If you are hitting them a lot and throwing them off a 5 story building, they might die. The idea that heroes are better than villains because villains choose to kill people and heroes don't is this artificial fictional difference that doesn't make any sense. College Humor settled this issue definitively: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc Another funny, probably-intentionally parallel to TDK that I just noticed: Matt starts out his career wearing hockey pants. dj_clawson fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 4, 2015 |
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The only problem with the Nobu fight is that it's never mentioned again. For all the angst about murder vs not murder and even a conversation with Claire about the consequences of his actions, the one time he totally kills a dude and it's never mentioned again. Like, at least talk to the priest about it or meditate on it or something. Don't just burn a guy to death and never think twice. Justified or not, that's some hosed up poo poo, man.
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Gyges posted:The only problem with the Nobu fight is that it's never mentioned again. For all the angst about murder vs not murder and even a conversation with Claire about the consequences of his actions, the one time he totally kills a dude and it's never mentioned again. Like, at least talk to the priest about it or meditate on it or something. Don't just burn a guy to death and never think twice. Justified or not, that's some hosed up poo poo, man. My feelings exactly on this situation. I feel like it's going to double up on the dumb and reveal in season 2 that he didn't actually die somehow, though. edit: And then people will go "see, it's fine, cuz he didn't die!" as if the characters would have known that at the time. Light Gun Man fucked around with this message at 01:24 on May 4, 2015 |
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I think I understand where all the confusion is coming from. The moment he put on that facemask Nobu became a ninja, and everyone knows that ninjas aren't people.
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One of the things I really like about the Marvel Cinematic stuff is that, by and large, they don't pretend that our heroes never kill the people they're fighting, never ever ever. So Matt's continued insistence that he's not a killer even when it becomes clear that's only true because he's gotten lucky a lot, becomes a meaningful window into who he is and what's important to him rather than just another HE DOESN'T KILL BECAUSE SUPERHEROES DON'T KILL example. Also, while he didn't go there intending to kill Nobu, he did go in intending to kill Fisk. I suspect that he's rationalizing Nobu's death as an accident that Nobu brought on himself (which isn't entirely untrue). I agree it would have been nice to have some acknowledgement of this, but Matt arguably had other things on his mind in the aftermath. Yes, this is both hosed-up and hypocritical. Because Matt is a hosed-up hypocrite. This is a feature, not a bug. (My guess is that Nobu just became the next candidate for whatever was going on with that creepy Hand kid, but that's just a guess.) docbeard fucked around with this message at 01:37 on May 4, 2015 |
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docbeard posted:Yes, this is both hosed-up and hypocritical. Because Matt is a hosed-up hypocrite. This is a feature, not a bug. But he KNOWS he's a hypocrite and he's bothered by it, which puts him ahead of a lot of comic book characters. Those sometimes he does get all whiny.
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I just want MoonKnight to have a tv show.
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Snak posted:It's like they picked the worst size of eye holes. I think that's my biggest problem with his costume. The eyes just look weird.
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I would think dropping a fire extinguisher on someone from several floors up would kill the poo poo out of them.
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My first thought when that happened was "Welp that man is dead."
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Rubiks Pubes posted:I would think dropping a fire extinguisher on someone from several floors up would kill the poo poo out of them. Yeah, and if you do the math, they were at least on the third floor when they dropped the fire extinguisher on him. We can see that there's at least one floor above them as well, and they later take that same guy up to the roof and throw him off. So they dropped a fire extinguisher on his head from three stories and threw him off the roof of AT LEAST a four story building. But it's okay because Daredevil doesn't kill people. I guess I see why all the heroes consider villains evil for killing people, since it literally seems impossible to do by accident, even if you do a bunch of stuff that should kill them. Hell, after Foggy saves Karen from the two thugs, Foggy hits the one that's on his knees IN THE HEAD with a wooden baseball bat, just like, for good measure.
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Periodiko posted:The cool thing about the vigilante costume is it was actually really menacing, it looked like something a slasher villain might wear in a horror movie, and the way it obscured only his eyes gave him a really unique, eery appearance. It was actually a really great costume, so the red body-suit, even if it's "okay", is a huge downgrade. The superhero costume and Fisk's run were what made the final episode much less enjoyable for me than the rest of the show. It was such a bad departure from the style of earlier episodes for no apparent reason other than comicbook nostalgia and reference.
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Snak posted:Yeah, and if you do the math, they were at least on the third floor when they dropped the fire extinguisher on him. We can see that there's at least one floor above them as well, and they later take that same guy up to the roof and throw him off. So they dropped a fire extinguisher on his head from three stories and threw him off the roof of AT LEAST a four story building. But it's okay because Daredevil doesn't kill people. Yeah, as realistic as Daredevil is, what with all his wounds persisting and slowing him down and stuff, the next level of realism needs to show these villains suffering from terrible injuries and having to commit more crimes just to be able to pay their hospital bills.
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Snak posted:Yeah, and if you do the math, they were at least on the third floor when they dropped the fire extinguisher on him. We can see that there's at least one floor above them as well, and they later take that same guy up to the roof and throw him off. So they dropped a fire extinguisher on his head from three stories and threw him off the roof of AT LEAST a four story building. But it's okay because Daredevil doesn't kill people. Yeah, this show suffers from TV-foam-weapon syndrome, but they did better than a lot of shows do, they do have claire there as a "what the gently caress is wrong with you" voice (I think she specifically calls out the fact that yeah he didn't kill a dude, but basically only technically and guy's in a coma or whatever), although she justifies what he's doing more the longer she's around him. I think that's pretty nifty. Matt's a charismatic guy, and he knows how to manipulate people into siding with him, and that's totally what's happening. I would not be surprised if they're laying groundwork for some serious tortured-soul/you've-really-truly-crossed-the-line type poo poo in maybe season 3/4/5 when it comes back to bite him.
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Rubiks Pubes posted:I would think dropping a fire extinguisher on someone from several floors up would kill the poo poo out of them. He dropped it very carefully, I'm sure.
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surc posted:Yeah, this show suffers from TV-foam-weapon syndrome, but they did better than a lot of shows do, they do have claire there as a "what the gently caress is wrong with you" voice (I think she specifically calls out the fact that yeah he didn't kill a dude, but basically only technically and guy's in a coma or whatever), although she justifies what he's doing more the longer she's around him. I don't know, Claire comes across as someone who was only a small step away from all that anyways. She tells him exactly where to torture the guy without prompting after being in Matt's presence for only a few minutes. That doesn't really speak to someone reluctant to partake in all his crazy.
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