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Nintendo Kid posted:Well they went and passed a law shortly after that required white men above a certain wealth to buy and keep a certain kind of gun that used a standard sort of bullet for the militia. It's a pretty easy thing. This was because the states were too poor/corrupt to maintain adequate stockpiles. Still doesn't have jack poo poo to do with the right of individuals to self-defense.
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FYI most states have their own "right to bear arms" amendments worded differently than the 2nd amendment. The CT constitution's arms amendment explicitly guarantees citizens the right to bear arms "In defense of himself and the state."
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May 4, 2015 04:21
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Sounds like a job for the Commerce Clause. 
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May 4, 2015 04:24
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Typical Pubbie posted:This was because the states were too poor/corrupt to maintain adequate stockpiles. Still doesn't have jack poo poo to do with the right of individuals to self-defense. The point is if they didn't want it for militias, it sure wouldn't make sense to immediately pass a "you're in the militia, most men able to vote" law.
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May 4, 2015 04:35
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The founding fathers and general public were pretty paranoid about standing armies though. IIRC when we had to build a navy because the European powers and the various Berbery coast pirates wouldn't leave our shipping alone, Jefferson and the Republicans (no relation to the current party) were freaking out because they thought John Addams would declare himself King of America and use the marines on the ships as his personal army or something similarly stupid. So then a few years later after we'd skirmished with the French and slapped around the Barbary pirates, the cruisers were immediately laid up in drydock and replaced by a "naval militia" of lightly armed gunboats that later proved to be near totally useless in the war of 1812, much like the land militias that were raised to attack Canada/defend against British coastal raids.
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May 4, 2015 09:53
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Yeah, it's not as if the Constitution exists in a vacuum--we don't need to limit ourselves to examining what the words in one sentence meant in the common use and context of the eighteenth century.
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May 4, 2015 10:29
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Typical Pubbie posted:Sounds like a job for the Commerce Clause. I agree, since it actually involves interstate gun trafficking and pissing off Scalia.
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May 4, 2015 11:54
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May 4, 2015 14:42
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:
In their mind it is. It's more or less, "Don't do this thing that offends Muslims / You have to do this thing that offends Christians!" The trick is trying to get people to see it as "Please don't draw their prophet because it is offensive to them / No, you can't deny a group your services because as people they are offensive to you."
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May 4, 2015 15:41
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I'm bracing myself for a full day of "They shouldn't have been antagonizing Muslims with the heresy. They knew they were likely to rile up extremists. It was their intent." "SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY DESERVED TO DIE?!"
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May 4, 2015 15:55
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Obama really needs to hurry up with the destruction of Christianity and the ushering in of a socialist society. I'm getting tired of this poo poo
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May 4, 2015 15:55
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STAC Goat posted:I'm bracing myself for a full day of They didn't deserve it but they sure as hell seem to have wanted it.
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May 4, 2015 15:57
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icantfindaname posted:Obama really needs to hurry up with the destruction of Christianity and the ushering in of a socialist society. I'm getting tired of this poo poo
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May 4, 2015 15:58
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STAC Goat posted:I'm bracing myself for a full day of Framing it that way sounds an awful lot like victim blaming, but no matter what people say the right is going to scream all week long about freedom of speech and sharia law.
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May 4, 2015 16:04
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STAC Goat posted:I'm bracing myself for a full day of Hahaha heresy, please don't make me want to agree with them, because honestly gently caress your ~heresy~, I don't follow religion x.
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May 4, 2015 16:07
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Wait what happened? What are we talking about?
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May 4, 2015 16:08
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Seems like it was a dick move to hold basically an anti-Islam event under the guise of free speech, especially since the hefty security shows they knew there was a good chance someone would attack and they could go "SEE?!" On the other hand, it was way more of a dick move to actually attack them instead of protesting or holding a counter-event or something. Or even just ignoring it entirely.
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May 4, 2015 16:11
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Coohoolin posted:Wait what happened? What are we talking about? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/05/us/garland-texas-shooting-muhammad-cartoons.html A group by the name of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, also going by the name Stop Islamization of America, organized a public event to draw pictures of Muhammed and I guess generally poo poo on Islam as a religion? And it was attacked by two gunmen who opened fire but didn't hit anyone and were shot themselves by guards
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May 4, 2015 16:11
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TVs Ian posted:Seems like it was a dick move to hold basically an anti-Islam event under the guise of free speech, especially since the hefty security shows they knew there was a good chance someone would attack and they could go "SEE?!" Yeah it's a real "everyone involved in this was a dick" scenario.
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May 4, 2015 16:12
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Coohoolin posted:Wait what happened? What are we talking about? Some clown that the feds have been aware of for the past decade tried to shoot up a "Draw Muhammad" event, but was stopped. There are multiple factors at play here and all of them reek of "that's dumber than a dumb rock". Let's examine a few: 1. The "Draw Muhammad" event was held because there was a "Stand with the Prophet" event the previous month because the organizer wants to be non-discriminatory. The analogy I'll go for is a "Take back the night" event being countered with a "Don't dress like that" march or something. 2. The clown in question has been on the feds radar for a while. I think he was picked up in 2010 for something, as well. He's been trying to go to Africa for quite some time, too. He has a prior and shouldn't have access to guns, but... 3. A good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun... So expect a bunch of weird contrary points being made about why we need looser gun laws because while paid security did their job, you too can be a hero. Fun endnote, the crowd immediately asked if the gunman was Muslim and it had that Danish cartoonist who got into a bunch of poo poo a few years ago. The entire thing is a diorama of garbage start to finish.
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May 4, 2015 16:16
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Ok that's amazing.
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May 4, 2015 16:18
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Important to note that the good guy with a gun was actually a large number of people with guns, including 40 extra police officers which the event paid $10,000 dollars extra to be there.
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May 4, 2015 16:44
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I wonder who won the $10,000
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May 4, 2015 16:54
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I mean, there's shouldn't and then there's shouldn't and then there's shouldn't be allowed to, right? If somebody asked me "do you think I should do this thing that doesn't actually affect someone else, but I think is funny because I don't like them" I would say "nah there's no real reason to do that" but I don't think me saying that has any actual importance--whereas it's obviously important to say that you can't deny services based on identity. I might not think it's right to do something that someone specifically asks you not to do, just because you want to stick it to them, but whether or not I think that's right is my business and not theirs.
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May 4, 2015 17:03
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For sure, you should be allowed to be a hateful racist who openly pisses people off and tries to offend them to their religious core. But we should be free to call you hateful assholes and that shouldn't go away because your antagonization drew out one of the crazies who did something bad to you. And its going to become frustrating once those group of assholes start in on their "this is proof that Islam is killing here in America and we must strike back at them here in America" rhetoric. Because it will be impossible to say "this worked out perfectly for them" without sounding like you're "victim blaming." No matter how many times you condemn the shooting. Victims CAN be bad people.
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May 4, 2015 17:18
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I'd be fine with a Charlie Hebdo support event or something like that, but these people understand satire like polisci students understand constructivism.
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May 4, 2015 17:24
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CNN is currently comparing Baltimore to Lord of the Flies.
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May 4, 2015 19:29
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:CNN is currently comparing Baltimore to Lord of the Flies. Then who is piggy, and what are his glasses?
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May 4, 2015 19:30
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Then who is piggy, and what are his glasses? No clue of the details, I just caught the tail end of the segment on the break room TV.
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May 4, 2015 19:43
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:CNN is currently comparing Baltimore to Lord of the Flies. Freddie Gray has to be the dead paratrooper guy What's the conch? Which war is going on in the background?
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blunt for century posted:Freddie Gray has to be the dead paratrooper guy A burning CVS is the conch.
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Gravel Gravy posted:A burning CVS is the conch. I thought it might have been the traffic cone used to smash a cop car windshield. 
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:CNN is currently comparing Baltimore to Lord of the Flies. Well kill the pig, drink its blood I suppose.
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I know this may come off as sexist but hot drat is Michelle Obama hot. That smile - WOW. One of my favorite conservative absurdities is how they call her ugly and fat when she is the exact opposite of that. Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 20:14 on May 4, 2015 |
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May 4, 2015 20:12
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Unzip and Attack posted:I know this may come off as sexist but hot drat is Michelle Obama hot. That smile - WOW. One of my favorite conservative absurdities is how they call her ugly and fat when she is the exact opposite of that. Michelle is an attractive woman. it would be sexist to only judge her in regards to her body, or to only talk about her appearance, or to minimize her accomplishments for no real reason beyond her gender. Kinda what idiot conservatives do.
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Unzip and Attack posted:I know this may come off as sexist but hot drat is Michelle Obama hot. That smile - WOW. One of my favorite conservative absurdities is how they call her ugly and fat when she is the exact opposite of that. The Obamas are a very handsome couple, yeah. But look no further than the politoon thread to see some real tinted shades poo poo. Cartoonists unironically drawing Big fat booty 'Moo'chelle taking away are junk food.
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Unzip and Attack posted:I know this may come off as sexist but hot drat is Michelle Obama hot. That smile - WOW. One of my favorite conservative absurdities is how they call her ugly and fat when she is the exact opposite of that. It's almost like conservatives literally petulant manchildren who would be right at home in an elementary school playground?
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May 4, 2015 20:33
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icantfindaname posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/05/us/garland-texas-shooting-muhammad-cartoons.html The proper course of action would have been the Islamic community to organize a "piss on Jesus" counter-counter-event. I hear the christians get really antsy involving situations based around pissing on Jesus, even though that, too, is merely art! I wonder if they'd get violent about it?
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Unzip and Attack posted:I know this may come off as sexist but hot drat is Michelle Obama hot. That smile - WOW. One of my favorite conservative absurdities is how they call her ugly and fat when she is the exact opposite of that. Michelle Obama should be judged 100% for her slam dunks. 
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GlyphGryph posted:The proper course of action would have been the Islamic community to organize a "piss on Jesus" counter-counter-event. I hear the christians get really antsy involving situations based around pissing on Jesus, even though that, too, is merely art! I wonder if they'd get violent about it? I like the idea of a flag-and-bible burning show traveling through Red America luring out angry racists and neonazis to be shipped off to federal prison
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