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Maro posted:The team did, by the way, try out infect as a theme. But it wasn't playing nicely with the other chosen themes and was dropped. So... Inkmoth isn't in?
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:So... Inkmoth isn't in? Well, if they've explicitly said infect is not in, it'd be weird to have infect cards in the set, right?
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May 4, 2015 17:09
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:So... Inkmoth isn't in? My guess is that inkmoth is in but it's like the only infect card in the set.
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May 4, 2015 17:17
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jassi007 posted:Well, if they've explicitly said infect is not in, it'd be weird to have infect cards in the set, right? Just like it's really weird to have UB mill cards in a set where UB mill isn't a theme. 
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May 4, 2015 17:18
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Rimusutera posted:Well Affinity is definitely a thing again then, if Cranial Plating is anything to go by. I remember Plating being like 4-5 bucks but it's only a buck now...
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May 4, 2015 17:32
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LordSaturn posted:I need this list. Is it in the EDH thread? Here's the podcast I did with The Command Zone about Shu Yun: http://www.rocketjump.com/listen/commander-mtgo-shu-yun-silent-tempest Here's the list then. I think it's mostly the same. Some tweaks here and there: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-reverend-enfuegos-shu-yun-deck/ No lands shown. You get to figure that out.
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May 4, 2015 17:32
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Anyway to see Cedric Phillip's Atarka Red list? The more Atarka Red I can compare to my own, the better.
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May 4, 2015 17:40
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Dohaeris posted:Anyway to see Cedric Phillip's Atarka Red list? The more Atarka Red I can compare to my own, the better.
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May 4, 2015 17:41
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Dohaeris posted:Anyway to see Cedric Phillip's Atarka Red list? The more Atarka Red I can compare to my own, the better. http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=84332
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May 4, 2015 17:41
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En Fuego posted:Here's the podcast I did with The Command Zone about Shu Yun: Wow, so because Shu Yun has white/red mana symbols in his rules text, that allows you to use white/red cards in the deck? I'm not a serious EDH guy by any means but I consider myself knowledgeable, I did not know this.
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May 4, 2015 17:46
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Elyv posted:My guess is that inkmoth is in but it's like the only infect card in the set. Given that such a card would have no real purpose in limited, I tend to doubt it. Just because someone wants a reprint of a card doesn't mean they're gonna do it. I understand the sentiment, but I just tend to doubt that Wizards is be terribly excited to a print a card you'll want to rare-draft but not really play.
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Gyshall posted:Wow, so because Shu Yun has white/red mana symbols in his rules text, that allows you to use white/red cards in the deck? The concept of "color identity" is not part of the regular magic rules but is a key part of how EDH works: http://www.yawgatog.com/resources/magic-rules/#R9034 EDIT: En Fuego posted:Here's the podcast I did with The Command Zone about Shu Yun: Thanks for this.
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May 4, 2015 17:50
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Angry Grimace posted:Given that such a card would have no real purpose in limited, I tend to doubt it. Just because someone wants a reprint of a card doesn't mean they're gonna do it. I understand the sentiment, but I just tend to doubt that Wizards is be terribly excited to a print a card you'll want to rare-draft but not really play. Not every rare serves a purpose in limited.  
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May 4, 2015 17:50
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Elyv posted:Not every rare serves a purpose in limited. Rally the Ancestors has a limited purpose, its just a dumb one. I'd be surprised if Inkmoth was in this set, but not super-duper surprised or anything.
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May 4, 2015 17:52
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descent has a v important purpose in limited in having cool art to make you feel better about drafting AVR
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May 4, 2015 17:55
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:So... Inkmoth isn't in?
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May 4, 2015 18:01
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mcmagic posted:So the guy who wrote that awful article about the Pro Tour won the SCG Open yesterday? Well the article starts to make more sense when you see the photo of him. 
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May 4, 2015 18:03
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I am really quite pessimistic about MM2 having any significant effect on staple rare/mythic prices. I have no hard numbers to back this up but I don't think GP Vegas will come close to a typical set prerelease weekend in terms of new product opened, and the $10 MSRP means card prices will stay much higher before the EV is enough to crack packs for singles. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I just don't see it.
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May 4, 2015 18:06
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They could print inkmoth anyway, isn't that card played in affinity? Where it often gets equipped with cranial plating, a card we know is in the set. I'm just saying they could still print it even if infect isn't supported.
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May 4, 2015 18:07
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Plus a land that lets you chump a flyer and put a -1/-1 counter on it might not be too awful in limited.
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May 4, 2015 18:12
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May 4, 2015 18:13
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mcmagic posted:It's already 45 bucks for a NM one on TCG now. I bet the MM ones will be under 30. Also I'm way late on this but are we to assume this is a 
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May 4, 2015 18:13
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Starving Autist posted:They could print inkmoth anyway, isn't that card played in affinity? Where it often gets equipped with cranial plating, a card we know is in the set. I'm just saying they could still print it even if infect isn't supported. Alternatively, this line of play is exactly what MaRo was alluding to by "doesn't play well with other things in the set".
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May 4, 2015 18:20
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LordSaturn posted:Alternatively, this line of play is exactly what MaRo was alluding to by "doesn't play well with other things in the set". The classic problem with infect which was prevalent in triple scars and other draft formats in that block was if you drafted G/B and had half infect creatures half non-infect creatures it was garbage but if you had like at least 75% infect creatures out of all your dudes you were pretty much a lock to go at least 2-1. It makes for a bad limited environment because you're going for critical mass on a type of creature that is on average worse on board but unbeatable if you get enough of them against anyone else who may be trying to go in on that strategy signals be damned.
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May 4, 2015 18:24
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One rare not having full synergy with the limited format does not exclude it from a reprint.
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May 4, 2015 18:24
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Gyshall posted:Wow, so because Shu Yun has white/red mana symbols in his rules text, that allows you to use white/red cards in the deck? The way EDH ties the colors of mana you can produce to the colors of the commander, he has to allow you to use white/red cards if you can produce white/red mana, which if you couldn't would make him an awful commander. So TL:DR yes, activated abilities count. Like Memnarch, he's an artifact with a blue mana symbol. So you have to be able to produce blue mana to use his ability, so he is in fact a Blue commander as far as EDH is concerned. You also can't put Memnarch in a Daretti or Slobad EDH artifacts deck.
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May 4, 2015 18:27
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My casting cost is 2U but I identify as UWR or as some would say 'Jeskai'.
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May 4, 2015 18:28
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jassi007 posted:You are aware they're lower than that right now?  I was saying it's price would decrease but I named a number higher than its current price. This discrepancy is in fact intentional and is meant to be a display of skepticism and pessimism on the topic that MM2 reprints would cause prices on chase rares to fall, as MM1 reprints caused the prices on chase rares to do the opposite of fall. That's the joke.
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jassi007 posted:The way EDH ties the colors of mana you can produce to the colors of the commander, he has to allow you to use white/red cards if you can produce white/red mana, which if you couldn't would make him an awful commander. So TL:DR yes, activated abilities count. Like Memnarch, he's an artifact with a blue mana symbol. So you have to be able to produce blue mana to use his ability, so he is in fact a Blue commander as far as EDH is concerned. You also can't put Memnarch in a Daretti or Slobad EDH artifacts deck. This change was made a couple of years ago when Wizards started making commander products and EDH got re-branded into Commander. Prior to that Memnarch was not legal at all, because only the symbols in the casting cost mattered. This was widely regarded as dumb by everyone but Sheldon Menery.
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Sickening posted:Well the article starts to make more sense when you see the photo of him. I don't think you understand. He has sex. With other people. Trust me I know I read his article.
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May 4, 2015 18:44
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im the washed out screen print of the legends logo also that disgusting shirt collar
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i've ... i've had sex *nervously loosens collar*
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't think you understand. He looks like he has to roofie his own drink when he plans to jack off.
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May 4, 2015 18:56
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
Oh a joke! Try harder next time, maybe you'll be funny.
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hey baby, i played on the pro tour, and it sucked, want to 'read' my 'article' 
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Rimusutera posted:Well Affinity is definitely a thing again then, if Cranial Plating is anything to go by. The artifact strategy is in, its in the article as a U/W strategy. Seems like they're doing the same 2-color strategy idea as in the last MMA (which was well received so I expected that). The B/G strategy is some kind of tokens/sac outlet strategy. If only there was a $40 Modern-legal card that made tokens every turn.
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Rimusutera posted:Well Affinity is definitely a thing again then, if Cranial Plating is anything to go by. I think its pretty obvious that the theme is Metalcraft; not Affinity.
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LordSaturn posted:Alternatively, this line of play is exactly what MaRo was alluding to by "doesn't play well with other things in the set". Possibly, but it doesn't strike me as particularly busted in limited, since the nexus is easy to kill, dies to any flying blocker, and also it's unlikely you'll have enough artifacts in the average scenario to one-shot them with Cranial Plating.
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AlternateNu posted:I think its pretty obvious that the theme is Metalcraft; not Affinity. Yeah, Affinity is an aggressive strategy and they say straight up in the design article its not as aggressive, so I think Metalcraft is probably the way you'd put it. "The white-blue artifacts strategy was a popular archetype from Modern Masters. And with one of the two new blocks added being Scars of Mirrodin, it made sense to revisit this strategy. As it turned out, white-blue ended up being the best place to put this deck again. Where last time this deck tended to be rather aggressive, this time the deck is more measured and plays well at various speeds. With metalcraft giving you a bonuses for controlling multiple artifacts, building a board with things like Equipment and other non-creature artifacts is a viable avenue now. And it wouldn't be the Modern Masters you all expect without a couple of constructed powerhouses to round out the Limited archetype." Limited Robots 
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Angry Grimace posted:Yeah, Affinity is an aggressive strategy and they say straight up in the design article its not as aggressive, so I think Metalcraft is probably the way you'd put it. Yeah. Rusted Relic seems pretty goddamn powerful in a half-way decent Metalcraft deck. (I never played during the Scars block.)
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