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Infotainment! posted:The eternal impossibility of just including the existing flag as an option in the referendum. Iirc there's going to be a 'does the flag actually need to be changed' vote before the referendum itself.
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May 5, 2015 08:06
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Exclamation Marx posted:
lol I'd vote for this
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May 5, 2015 08:19
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Binkenstein posted:In terms of the head of state it probably won't change much in how things work. The idea of replacing the Treaty with a new Constitution sounds promising, especially if it goes the way of the Iceland "crowdsourced constitution". Cross-post to 4chan and we should have goatse in the top four finalists. A human heart posted:Iirc there's going to be a 'does the flag actually need to be changed' vote before the referendum itself. I could be confused but I thought it was the other way round, we vote for a candidate flag then vote to see if we want to change. If they did the vote for change first then the whole sideshow might be over before it really begins. Ivor Biggun fucked around with this message at 08:29 on May 5, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 08:27
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Essential reading: http://nzh.tw/11443681
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May 5, 2015 21:15
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Oh you had a daughter? Tough poo poo. SPORTS.
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May 5, 2015 22:08
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Chalupa Joe posted:Oh you had a daughter? Tough poo poo. SPORTS. Ironic as the Ferns were multiple World Cup winners when the All Blacks were still choking their way through campaign after campaign.
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May 5, 2015 22:32
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Ivor Biggun posted:I could be confused but I thought it was the other way round, we vote for a candidate flag then vote to see if we want to change. If they did the vote for change first then the whole sideshow might be over before it really begins. Seriously? Surely this can't be the case. Surely. That makes no sense and is backwards as gently caress. Like completely illogical from any standpoint.
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May 5, 2015 23:10
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If everyone had the ability to vote no change right away, then the distraction wouldn't last long enough. That and National would be wrong about people wanting a new flag, and we all know National can never be wrong.
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May 5, 2015 23:14
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Oh. gently caress humanity.
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May 5, 2015 23:15
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Slavvy posted:Seriously? Surely this can't be the case. Surely. That makes no sense and is backwards as gently caress. Like completely illogical from any standpoint. If the majority of people voted to change and then voted on what flag to change to you end up with the likely scenario that a slim majority of New Zealanders vote to change the flag, then in the second round ends in a flag winning by a majority of like 15% of the country and everyone else complains until it doesn't happen or for years/decades after it does. However, if they vote for what flag first then you can actually have an informed vote on replacing the current flag with the most popular alternative and be sure it's a majority of people that prefer it over the current one.
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May 5, 2015 23:53
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Butt Wizard posted:Ironic as the Ferns were multiple World Cup winners when the All Blacks were still choking their way through campaign after campaign. I agree, I was commenting on how that article only seems to care about men's cricket and rugby and completely ignores any other sports men or women's teams have done well in.
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May 6, 2015 01:09
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Ghostlight posted:It makes perfect sense. But you could do that the other way around too. It makes more sense to me to determine if people even want it to change before deciding what to change it to. I realise that in a vacuum doing it backwards makes sense, but people are people and if you put the flag selection before the change-the-flag decision it'll just build it up into a juggernaut issue that builds it's own momentum. At that point the amount of time, money and argumentative energy expended will make people think that any change, no matter how loving retarded, is better than keeping the current flag because otherwise It Was All For Nothing.
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May 6, 2015 01:19
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It doesn't matter how much money it costs, Key wants it so it's happening.
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May 6, 2015 02:06
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Paul Henry's new show has been a real ratings winner for MediaWorks so far. Less than 1% of its target demo. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11444267 edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 07:58 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 6, 2015 06:56
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The flag referendum, from what I understand, will be "Should the flag be changed to one of these options?" then if yes I think there will be a second vote on which one (maybe a second, "if the flag changes, which option would you want?" question on the one referendum) I remember hearing that somewhere but I can't remember where.
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May 6, 2015 07:31
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Vagabundo posted:Paul Henry's new show has been a real ratings winner for MediaWorks so far. Less than 1% of its target demo. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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May 6, 2015 08:59
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Binkenstein posted:It doesn't matter how much money it costs, Key wants it so it's happening. Mr Fiscal Responsibility will do us proud, I'm sure.
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May 6, 2015 09:23
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Vagabundo posted:Paul Henry's new show has been a real ratings winner for MediaWorks so far. Less than 1% of its target demo. I love how that expert knows the revenue models for both tvnz and Mediaworks. He's a dang genius.
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May 6, 2015 14:27
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So Auckland rates are going up another 9.9%. This city is so poo poo. Their solution for improving the extremely poor public transport system? More tax. Rubbish collection? More tax. Harbour bridge walkway? More tax.
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May 6, 2015 23:33
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truther posted:So Auckland rates are going up another 9.9%. Don't forget the 55,000 empty houses (according to metro) and National convinced that no tax reform is needed
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May 6, 2015 23:41
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How else would they raise the money necessary to fix those issues?
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May 6, 2015 23:57
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Ghostlight posted:How else would they raise the money necessary to fix those issues? Redirect funds from places they are not needed (months long ad campaigns about how everyone that catches a bus is a oval office/ridiculous council salaries/ego stroke projects), capital gains tax (obviously this would be collected centrally but just maybe unlike all other tax it could be distributed proportionally), and actually enforcing corporate tax (same collection and distribution issues).
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May 7, 2015 00:07
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Ghostlight posted:How else would they raise the money necessary to fix those issues?
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May 7, 2015 00:08
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truther posted:Sorry I forgot, taxing the people more is the only way to get money. What alternative method does a governing body have, hm?
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May 7, 2015 00:14
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Auckland Council doesn't have the authority to institute capital gains or enforce corporate tax, while central government has routinely blocked their attempts to institute alternative funding, and their other option is to simply borrow more which they aren't able to do except in regard to new assets for the very reason that it would just mean higher taxes if used otherwise. Granted, they can recoup some costs from old campaigns or salaries, but those campaigns are probably pre-paid and not an ongoing cost. Discussing council salaries would just end in even more money being spent on meetings that ultimately conclude that we have to pay a competitive price for their talents because that's how the corporate world works these days and that's the best way to run a government because neo-liberalism.
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May 7, 2015 00:18
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They can scrap that useless toll cyclepath they want to strap to the harbour bridge, for a start. And the casino expansion. e: I thought it was Neo-conservatism that was running governments, now? Y'know, the insane mess that Reagan and Thatcher made popular.
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May 7, 2015 00:21
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They're not mutually exclusive. Neo-conservatism is mostly about foreign policy, while neo-liberalism is economic policy. Thatcher and Reagan are famous for both.
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May 7, 2015 00:30
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WarpedNaba posted:They can scrap that useless toll cyclepath they want to strap to the harbour bridge, for a start. How is scrapping two things Auckland Council isn't paying for going to give Auckland Council more money?
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May 7, 2015 00:38
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The proposed Light Rail routes are also supposedly going to be mostly privately funded with the balance coming from within AT's current planned budget as well. They're also incidentally three things the City probably badly needs. As for a Capital Gains Tax, this is really the wrong time to bring one in. They work best and raise the most revenue when they're bought in at the bottom of a property cycle, and not at the height of a property crisis.
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May 7, 2015 01:05
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Somfin posted:What alternative method does a governing body have, hm? But seriously, if you have to keep taxing the populace more and more while in massive amounts of debt you've got a big problem. They're selling public spaces, cutting parks maintenence and taxing people more. How does that sound sustainable?
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May 7, 2015 01:11
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Their hands are pretty tied. The Government doesn't want to step in and help address the fact that there has been decades of underinvestment in Auckland's infrastructure (mostly as a result of Wellington's dictatorship approach to dealing with Auckland). By the same token though, the Council is pretty loving woeful. They've committed to setting up another panel even though they have ongoing issues with their current diversity consulting panels that haven't been resolved, they let the Ports dictate a solution to them rather than actually asserting themselves as the owner of the Port and they now seem to think that stopping an affordable housing initiative is somehow going to give the public confidence that they've got Auckland's best interests at heart. They also seem to think that house prices will magically get more affordable if developer contributions keep going up and up. I'm glad they're standing up to the Government about infrastructure in some way but the way they're doing it is just another example of how loving stupid they are. The Government won't agree, but they won't install commissioners because they Council manages to do other poo poo right. It probably also won't legislate the SHAs into existence because that will cause problems for them in Christchurch, where, incidentally, they had the power to and should have designated SHAs years ago. Nothing will change. The houses just won't get built. The only people who will miss out are the people who don't have houses. And you already know what the Council and the Government think of them or else they wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Tl;dr: You know poo poo is hosed when Cameron Brewer is calling on the Government to commit the 50% of the CRL in the next budget instead of 33% in 2020.
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May 7, 2015 01:24
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Butt Wizard posted:The proposed Light Rail routes are also supposedly going to be mostly privately funded with the balance coming from within AT's current planned budget as well. They're also incidentally three things the City probably badly needs. Don't worry, we already have a capital gains tax. Bill English said so yesterday.
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May 7, 2015 01:36
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Seeing as I only started being an adult ten years ago: are nz politics always as hosed up and inept as they are right now? Or is the JK velvet gloved pseudo-dictatorship a relatively modern phenomenon?
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May 7, 2015 01:41
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bobbilljim posted:Don't worry, we already have a capital gains tax. Bill English said so yesterday. It's technically there but it doesn't get applied to investment property. That doesn't mean a lot of people haven't been skirting the rules when it comes to paying it though, which is why the Government is throwing money at the IRD for compliance and risk reviews, something that National can legitimately say they've done and that Labour had not. I think they're getting something like $7 back for every $1 of extra funding they've given the IRD. Unfortunately it's not as simple as saying "introduce a broader CGT" because there's a bunch of factors that will influence how the market reacts to it - interest rates, the gap between supply and demand, the relative price of rents, different regional impacts, etc. That's not to say English or the Reserve Bank isn't full of poo poo when they both say they've done everything they can do. The CGT option doesn't make sense at the moment, but there's other stuff they could do.
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May 7, 2015 01:51
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Slavvy posted:Seeing as I only started being an adult ten years ago: are nz politics always as hosed up and inept as they are right now? Or is the JK velvet gloved pseudo-dictatorship a relatively modern phenomenon? I think we can safely assume a group of idiots voted in by idiots have always been idiotic. wrt house prices, I have given up and am just praying for a crash 
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May 7, 2015 01:54
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Slavvy posted:Seeing as I only started being an adult ten years ago: are nz politics always as hosed up and inept as they are right now? Or is the JK velvet gloved pseudo-dictatorship a relatively modern phenomenon? No, while they have been a general mess for as long as I can remember, the current level of awfulness is unique and terrifying. The National cabinet under Shipley was better by far than this bullshit, and as for Clarke's labour just compare corngate to dirty politics to get an idea of the difference.
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May 7, 2015 01:54
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Reading this thread makes me feel like I'm in a really half-assed, lovely milquetoast version of late-30's Germany. Everyone is so in love with this one goddamn guy and his party of fruit loop mates trying to run the country just by winging it, and when it all falls apart in a big way (what would the suitably terrible and anti-climatic NZ version of starting the biggest war of all time be?) everyone will shrug and wonder tearfully where it all went wrong and how an entire nation could be so blind and stupid whilst learning absolutely nothing.
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May 7, 2015 04:31
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Losing the rugby world cup.
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I can't tell anymore if everyone in this thread is just baiting Butt Wizard with their posting, or if they're being serious.
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