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Frobbe
Jan 19, 2007

Calm Down
a bit of a tool question:

i hate soldering plugs, as i inevitably end up melting two or three of them before i get it perfect. would http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminum-jig-Soldering-Aid-Station-adjust-heat-insulation-XT60-XT90-TPlug-Bullet-/391118314140 help me get rid of this issue? it's pretty cheap and multi use, and i've standardised on XT60 plugs for all my uses anyway.

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i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye

Frobbe posted:

a bit of a tool question:

i hate soldering plugs, as i inevitably end up melting two or three of them before i get it perfect. would http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminum-jig-Soldering-Aid-Station-adjust-heat-insulation-XT60-XT90-TPlug-Bullet-/391118314140 help me get rid of this issue? it's pretty cheap and multi use, and i've standardised on XT60 plugs for all my uses anyway.

Those tools certainly make it easier. What soldering iron are you using? I melted a lot of stuff before I invested in a good temp controlled unit (I use the Weller WES-51), the cheap irons took too long and heat got into the plastic and melted it. Using 60/40 rosin core solder at about 700 degrees also really helps especially compared to RoHS compliant solder.

Tindjin
Aug 4, 2006

Do not seek death.
Death will find you.
But seek the road
which makes death a fulfillment.

Frobbe posted:

a bit of a tool question:

i hate soldering plugs, as i inevitably end up melting two or three of them before i get it perfect. would http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminum-jig-Soldering-Aid-Station-adjust-heat-insulation-XT60-XT90-TPlug-Bullet-/391118314140 help me get rid of this issue? it's pretty cheap and multi use, and i've standardised on XT60 plugs for all my uses anyway.

Are you in the UK? just wondering if that is why the ebay listing is on UK site. I am asking because there are other very useful jigs than that thing.

My two favorite tools for this are
http://thejigsup.net/
and
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CD9YIB8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 with 3rd arm.

Between those two I can solder any connection easily. I know the Jig is up is US centric though some uk places might carry them. The progressive RC one just needs some silicone buttons or just spread some silicone on the bottom to keep it from sliding around. Both are excellent helpers.

For soldering XT60s take a spare male and female and put heat shrink over the connections. Then when you go to solder one mate it with it's opposite (that has the heatshrink protecting the terminals). That way it gives you more thermal mass and if the nylon does warm up it keeps the pins from changing position.

mashed
Jul 27, 2004

I had my first good Z3 flights yesterday. Still getting it tuned out. On this flight I didn't use my low rates and need more expo so it is a bit twitchy but I am really happy with how it is flying. This plane is going to be so much fun.

I got confused on the landing and almost landed by the wrong people standing by the road :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqFXqxJRl8Y

ryde
Sep 9, 2011

God I love young girls
What are some of the recommended approaches to a flight controller with modifiable source-code? You can use an Arduino with MultiWii, I believe, and ArduPilot appears to support a variety of hardware, including the PixHawk, which is the main one I was looking at.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

I bought some motors and some cheap Neewer ESCs. The ESCs have just three blue wires coming out to the motors, and I have no idea how to wire them. Any advice?



You can see the frame, the motors, and one of the ESCs there.

Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc

a foolish pianist posted:

I bought some motors and some cheap Neewer ESCs. The ESCs have just three blue wires coming out to the motors, and I have no idea how to wire them. Any advice?



You can see the frame, the motors, and one of the ESCs there.

Just attach em, spin up the motors and see if they spin in the right way. If that doesn't spin correctly, swap 2, try again.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!
It doesn't matter. it's 3phase. Just wire them up, and know you'll need to reverse a set of wires on at least one, if not three of the motors. It's not a long process.

On a personal note. I flew my RedBull 130x this weekend. I made it four batteries in before I stripped the tail rotor drive gears. Again. We're down to $0.50 a flight.

moron izzard
Nov 17, 2006

Grimey Drawer
These days with bllheli and Simon k, you don't even need to physically reverse the wires. Just wire them straight and neat, and reverse the two that need to be reversed in the firmware config

Tindjin
Aug 4, 2006

Do not seek death.
Death will find you.
But seek the road
which makes death a fulfillment.

Cannon_Fodder posted:

Just attach em, spin up the motors and see if they spin in the right way. If that doesn't spin correctly, swap 2, try again.

Just for gawd sakes please take the props off before testing these. stick some tape on them to check rotation easier. Especially if you are just getting into this be careful around props or google rc prop strike if you are unsure of what can happen.

Golluk
Oct 22, 2008
I think this guy needs some help that the Multi Wii forums just aren't qualified to help with.

"Trying to keep up with women and multirotors is just confuseing the hell out of me."

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

Tindjin posted:

Just for gawd sakes please take the props off before testing these. stick some tape on them to check rotation easier. Especially if you are just getting into this be careful around props or google rc prop strike if you are unsure of what can happen.

Oh, I've already been cut by Hubsan props. I'm plenty cautious because of it.

It's just really weird that the ESCs didn't come with any wiring diagrams.

Mina
Dec 14, 2005

HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK

a foolish pianist posted:

I bought some motors and some cheap Neewer ESCs. The ESCs have just three blue wires coming out to the motors, and I have no idea how to wire them. Any advice?



You can see the frame, the motors, and one of the ESCs there.

I feel privileged that my ESCs and motors had banana plugs and that I didn't have to solder those.

What everyone else said: Don't attach props when testing, swap any two wires if a motor spins the wrong way. Not all firmware supports switching them without physically swapping the wires and it doesn't take long.

I'd honestly recommend soldering banana plugs to the ESCs and motors anyway so they're easier to replace or adjust versus having to re-solder every time.

Edit:

a foolish pianist posted:

Oh, I've already been cut by Hubsan props. I'm plenty cautious because of it.

It's just really weird that the ESCs didn't come with any wiring diagrams.

Hubsan props might as well be foam for how much more the 450-scale props can maim you. We're talking broken finger bones if you use carbon fiber props.

I've found that the DIY quad stuff lacks in documentation in general, sadly. ESCs are at least foolproof and can't be wired "wrong" in terms of current flow, so it's a quick swap to fix motor direction issues.

Mina fucked around with this message at 23:44 on May 4, 2015

Golluk
Oct 22, 2008
Yeah, its been lots of digging through 100 page threads since the OP are woefully outdated. If your lucky, you'll get some sort of engrish manuals with some very basic instructions.

And the first time my 250 quad with 6x4 props was in the air in-front of me, I had the immediate thought of "What have I built? This thing is going to kill me!". I can appreciate the concern over them flying near people.

I've found here and FPVLab to be fairly helpful. Doesn't hurt the Fixed wing and OSD developers/contributors are still active in the threads.

Pushed out to just over 850M today. http://imgur.com/a/htV3E#xZ81akU Going fairly smoothly other than GPS making GBS threads the bed on turns. Guess what RTH is liable to make the plane do. Makes for a bad combo.

Golluk fucked around with this message at 04:14 on May 5, 2015

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!

Krittick posted:

I'd honestly recommend soldering banana plugs to the ESCs and motors anyway so they're easier to replace or adjust versus having to re-solder every time.

I need to speak up on this one. This is a mistake. For five minutes of re-soldering, you save several methods of screwing up, or having your quad screwed up later on.

You're adding resistance, and that limits peak power, and if you aren't limiting peak power, you're at least burning more power that could be flight time instead.

If you really, really, really, hate soldering? Spend $5 on some alligator clips, and wire up the ESC to the motor for testing using alligator clips. And if you really, really, really, hate soldering, ask... you're doing something wrong. Soldering should be easy, if it's not, I assure you, we can tell you the tricks to make it easy.

Mina
Dec 14, 2005

HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK

Nerobro posted:

I need to speak up on this one. This is a mistake. For five minutes of re-soldering, you save several methods of screwing up, or having your quad screwed up later on.

You're adding resistance, and that limits peak power, and if you aren't limiting peak power, you're at least burning more power that could be flight time instead.

If you really, really, really, hate soldering? Spend $5 on some alligator clips, and wire up the ESC to the motor for testing using alligator clips. And if you really, really, really, hate soldering, ask... you're doing something wrong. Soldering should be easy, if it's not, I assure you, we can tell you the tricks to make it easy.

Fair enough, I didn't think about the fact that they'd be adding resistance if they weren't designed to be there to begin with. I agree that soldering is easy though, that's not something that takes long to learn either.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
bulletz 4 lyf


Video from last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyue3rTGD0

Vitamin J fucked around with this message at 06:04 on May 6, 2015

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
I'm a giant moron that fried a painstakingly assembled and tested mini camera/tx combo that I got piecemeal from here and there over months as a side project by - after it was all complete - deciding in bits and pieces between work here and there today to power directly from the multicopter instead of from a separate 3.7v cell and proceeded to of course fry it with 11.1v direct

wtf i was thinking i can't even begin to imagine

i had numerous opportunities to realize what i was doing and didnt

i even took it all apart - the glue had barely dried - trying to find a short or something before i finally realized what had happened






gaaaahhh

i

r

dum

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
like seriously don't let me near anything, i caught the stupid


i'm buying supper tonight, chaperoned by my wife no way am i going straight to a kitchen filled with hot and sharp now who knows wtf i'll gently caress up

The Eyes Have It fucked around with this message at 01:35 on May 6, 2015

moron izzard
Nov 17, 2006

Grimey Drawer
I tried elmers probond advanced for its "excellent" foam to foam adhesion and have been slowly replacing it with gorilla CA glue every time I find a place where its opening up on my fuselage. It stayed wet in my v tail mounts for 6 days straight.

Arrest that ass!
Sep 1, 2006

my deadlift personal record


Makes it a lot faster with a lovely little face.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

Holy crap Hobby King is slow. I ordered some stuff that was in stock at the US east warehouse two weeks ago, and it still hasn't shipped. I wish they worked with Amazon.

moron izzard
Nov 17, 2006

Grimey Drawer
A friend just recently canceled a hobbyking order from the west warehouse that had no response from hking for a month. you probably need to start hammering them with support calls til it gets fixed or canceled

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
I used to love Hobby King but now I just sort of hold my nose and order.

CheddarGoblin
Jan 12, 2005
oh
Heh, i tried to place my first ever order from hobby king yesterday and their site was too hosed up, i could never check out. I used the support chat and the guy came back with some standard bs about clearing cache, using another browser, updating java (seriously? your site uses java to check out? what is this 2001?)

I just told him nevermind and found a different battery and charger on amazon.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

How long is it taking to receive stuff from the international warehouse these days? I'm hoping to have my build done by the first weekend of June, but if it's going to take longer than a month I'll probably just put it off a bit longer. I only need some batteries and that foam goggle box from them.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

I'm just moving in two weeks, and I'd really like to get my package before the address I gave them is no longer valid. I figured a month would be plenty of time to get in-stock merchandise shipped two states away.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

HobbyKing are great at emulating the LHS experience (by never having anything in stock and perpetually on back order)

moron izzard
Nov 17, 2006

Grimey Drawer
If you are in the US, here are some other stores you should check out that I, A Yolo Wizard, personally endorse :thumbsup:

https://www.multirotorsuperstore.com
https://www.getfpv.com
https://www.rcdude.com
https://www.horizonhobby.com
https://www.atlantahobby.com
https://www.amazon.com
https://www.rangevideo.com
https://www.rcgroups.com (check the classifieds)
https://www.readymaderc.com

also some other fpv related news: immersionRC is assisting in creating an fpv racing sim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2rtdl0R7vE

here is another I've found on itch.io with a free demo though: http://fpv-freerider.itch.io/fpv-freerider

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye

Another one that I am very fond of is buddyrc.com. They have great prices on Sunnysky motors, ESC's, and their Glacier batteries are also very good. They ship from Ohio and have great service.

Golluk
Oct 22, 2008

Coxswain Balls posted:

How long is it taking to receive stuff from the international warehouse these days? I'm hoping to have my build done by the first weekend of June, but if it's going to take longer than a month I'll probably just put it off a bit longer. I only need some batteries and that foam goggle box from them.

My last order was on the quick side of what I'd expect from a shipment from China. Ordered on April 11th, received on the 27th. It was just a small package though.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

so this is a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vGcH0Bk3hg

as someone who is interested in drones primarily for the video aspect, this is a huge deal.

moron izzard
Nov 17, 2006

Grimey Drawer
follow me mode is available in some form on both 3dr and dji platforms, and they are just doing the thing parrot is doing for video with the ultra wide viewpoint + digital stabilization. $500 for a preorder is not enticing either considering it comes out next February and by that time you no doubt will have had multiple opportunities to buy a better craft with the same features by then.

Haven't there been 2+ kickstarter multirotors with follow me as the major feature last year? are any of those actually out?

mashed
Jul 27, 2004

None of these follow me drones have any sort of sense and avoid built into them. When these hit the market as a consumer product there are going to be so many of them smashing into trees and powerlines etc. It would be like going skiing towing a baloon behind you on a rope. Only a matter of time before that balloon snags in something.

But hey gotta get that sweet kickstarter money.

Personally I don't like the idea of follow me mode without proper object sensing as you are pretty much saying "gently caress it, drone probably won't crash". Then you go and do your :krad: moves down the mountain and look back and oh poo poo where is my drone.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

Yeah, these are going to hit so many trees/rocks/other skiers/random children in the park. Quickest way to get multicopters banned.

EDIT: Holy poo poo, gently caress hobby king so hard.

a foolish pianist posted:

Do you know how long the cancellation and refund will take?

hobbyking rep posted:

For the time frame, there is no exact time frame. Please contact us from time to time.

a foolish pianist fucked around with this message at 17:29 on May 13, 2015

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I wanted to upgrade my little FPV quad to a 2s setup, so I got these ESC's from Hobbyking, the YEP 7a:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__37944__Hobbyking_YEP_7A_1_2S_Brushless_Speed_Controller.html


To pair with these little 3700kv motors

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__7025__AD_C5_Micro_Motor_4_6g_Weight_3700Kv.html


All the specs in the description lead me to believe this ESC would pair well with this motor. Was I off? My quad will spin up, sort of "hop" off the ground an inch or so, then cuts the motors and plops back down. I thought it might be the FC vibrating and causing problems, so I switched to an entirely different frame that is much more solid and I still have the same problems. Has anybody experienced the hopping problem before? Are my ESC's underpowered? I am running 2s, 2x1s batteries wired in series. I have seen others do this before with no problems.


Thinking it might be the switch, I bridged it with a big glob of solder but still had the problems.

helno
Jun 19, 2003

hmm now were did I leave that plane

Laserface posted:

so this is a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vGcH0Bk3hg

as someone who is interested in drones primarily for the video aspect, this is a huge deal.

I'm more concerned with the whole no real control over it and throw it in the air to start.

What happens when you slip and it arms in your face?

Golluk
Oct 22, 2008

helno posted:

I'm more concerned with the whole no real control over it and throw it in the air to start.

What happens when you slip and it arms in your face?

Hope you're ready for your close up?

As for the customer support issues ordering from China. That is a great time to take advantage of Paypal dispute. They reply much more quickly to that one.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Can we just take a moment to appreciate just how loving idiotic the FAA is and join me in a resounding cry of "gently caress the FAA!" because that would be nice.

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Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

helno posted:

I'm more concerned with the whole no real control over it and throw it in the air to start.

What happens when you slip and it arms in your face?

Theres an extended hands on with a prototype on youtube as well that shows it can take off from your hand/the ground.


I can definitely see that there is potential for risks here with the lack of collision avoidance. as a Snowboarder the idea of the thing terrifies me. As a motorsport enthusiast I am excited as gently caress.

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