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I've extended that live game recruiting to Monday. Is looking like either Sunday, Monday or possibly Tuesday evenings EST will be when we run the sessions, but we'll iron it out after picks are made.
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FISHMANPET posted:My players are having some trouble with space combat. The shooty people understand how to shoot the guns, and the social characters understand their lot in life, but actually my pilot(s) are feeling underwhelmed. Specifically the Pilot asked "what can I do" and my answer was... not very much? There doesn't seem to be much as far as actual pilot checks to be made during space combat. One of the players suggested we try and run it a little slower, so we're more precise about speeds, ranges, facings, etc, and to get some minis or models or something. Vehicle/space combat is definitely the weakest part of the game, but it can still be fun. First thing, is that, oddly enough, space combat should never be in a vacuum. There should always be terrain of some sort or something complicating it, like an objective or something. The back of Stay on Target has some great ideas for that. I also recommend listening to this Order 66 episode, good stuff. Keeping track of facing and all that makes the combat more interesting, in my opinion, and makes all the shield shenanigans more worth it. I do recommend houseruling Gain the Advantage somehow, like making it last more than 1 round or turning it into a maneuver. It will still be wonky, but our campaign right now is pretty space-combat focused and we've made it work pretty well with just that change.
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May 2, 2015 22:59
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Having made a droid for a game it struck me that there is only one thing stopping you from making a droidekar as a starting character. Money. Shooting class like Assasin, Sniper or Heavy, stack ranged heavy, agility and brawn, built in heavy armour and personal deflector shield and built in heavy blaster rifle. So i just need to find the factory where they were made for the start of the Droid Liberation Army
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May 3, 2015 10:35
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Foxtrot_13 posted:So i just need to find the factory where they were made for the start of the Droid Liberation Army
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May 5, 2015 00:40
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A volley of heavy blaster shots does tend to make doorknobs irrelevant.
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May 5, 2015 02:01
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ibntumart posted:A volley of heavy blaster shots does tend to make doorknobs irrelevant. Magnetically sealed doorknobs: bane of all droidekars.
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May 5, 2015 03:27
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So we had our first game as an all droid party last night. The GM had a solid fifteen pages of prepped material on infiltrating a neb-b and disabling the hyperdrive, lots of subterfuge, combat, etc. So of course, we came in on a shuttle with only two lifesigns on it, had a malfunction where some debris and us were blown from the shuttle due to an accident. Landed on the hull, crawled over to where the hyperdrive is, quickflash'd our way in. Bob's your uncle. It was pretty amazing.
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May 5, 2015 19:03
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Why would you prep 15 pages for a single session jesus christ
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May 5, 2015 19:27
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Flame112 posted:Why would you prep 15 pages for a single session jesus christ To be fair there was a lot going on, you know, if the party needed air.
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May 5, 2015 19:43
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So a player in my group, this is his first time playing an RPG, wheras the rest of us have all played before. He's not super familiar with Star Wars either, so we have to kind of hold his hand through a lot of story stuff. I've decided to make the source of his Obligation a pseudo villain for the party (also another player is basically his Chewbacca so two players share this obligation). Anyway, the player in question, he's a Scoundrel - Thief. The obligation is debt - an imperial officer is holding his family hostage/for ransom. I asked him in our Facebook group what he did to the guy to make him abduct his family, and he just responded with "housing market collapse." I've decided that the imperial officer in question is the planetary governor of the planet Teth, capital of the Baxel sector, which nominally includes Hutt Space (where the players are now thanks to the adventure in the Core book). They're currently smuggling some space weed to him because they killed his supplier and he's a huge playboy that needs his space weed for his legendary parties. But housing market collapse, wow. I'm thinking Teth would experience a bit of a boom as Imperial bureaucracy moves in, but then maybe a bubble burst causing prices to fall. And somehow my thief got in on the action? And screwed this guy over? I did just see a Law & Order episode where a swindler stole info of a guy that owned his house full and clear, took out a mortgage on the house, took the cash, the home went into foreclosure, the dude who owned his home gets evicted. Also I assume that holding family hostage would be expensive, maybe he's using the family as house servants or something? Is there something else housing related my player could have stolen from the governor?
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May 5, 2015 22:01
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The Scoundrel bought a fixer-upper and flipped it to the Governor. Unfortunately, he used really, really substandard parts and labor and now the thing's a money-pit. The Governor wants his money back plus interest.
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May 5, 2015 22:04
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Depending on how big you want the debt, instead of home/homestead, make it a recreation/garden asteroid/station that caters to the super rich. They were banking on a wave of gentrification and expansion. But then the hurts moved into the system and that sector fell out of fashion on Coruscant, leaving the PC holding the bag for this huge investment property/money sink.
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May 6, 2015 02:30
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Arcturas posted:Depending on how big you want the debt, instead of home/homestead, make it a recreation/garden asteroid/station that caters to the super rich. They were banking on a wave of gentrification and expansion. But then the hurts moved into the system and that sector fell out of fashion on Coruscant, leaving the PC holding the bag for this huge investment property/money sink.  ?
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May 6, 2015 03:16
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My only concern with something on a larger scale is that he's a Thief not a Scoundrel. It probably doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things, but swindling someone as a sleazy contractor/developer sound much more like a scoundrel thing rather than a thief. But I'm not sure how much the player is invested in being a "thief" vs just a smuggler in general.
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May 6, 2015 05:02
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Who cares? The class labels aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things. Plus maybe he started as a scoundrel and is now more of a thief and later will do more scoundreling.
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May 6, 2015 05:15
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FISHMANPET posted:My only concern with something on a larger scale is that he's a Thief not a Scoundrel. It probably doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things, but swindling someone as a sleazy contractor/developer sound much more like a scoundrel thing rather than a thief. But I'm not sure how much the player is invested in being a "thief" vs just a smuggler in general.
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May 6, 2015 15:32
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Anyone have a good video that walks through some of the basics? I just picked up the Edge of the Empire core and beginner games. While I've read through it, seeing someone play/explain might answer some of the simpler questions I have. I wanted to be a bit further down the learning curve from my players before running the beginner game with them.
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May 6, 2015 19:12
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This has some of the basics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRRtP3m-Scw
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May 6, 2015 19:18
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If I have Age of Rebellion, is Edge of the Empire or a couple splats a better investment? And if the splats are best, which would you suggest?
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May 6, 2015 20:15
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Hiro Protagonist posted:If I have Age of Rebellion, is Edge of the Empire or a couple splats a better investment? And if the splats are best, which would you suggest? We need to know what you're interested in. If you have one core book, oggdude's character builder can fill in the details from the other book. My favorite splats so far are Suns of Fortune and Lords of Nal Hutta, but I'm a GM. They have tons of good ideas in them.
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May 6, 2015 20:23
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Hiro Protagonist posted:If I have Age of Rebellion, is Edge of the Empire or a couple splats a better investment? And if the splats are best, which would you suggest? It honestly really depends on what sort of game you're looking to play. Overall, you only really need a single core book, as the base rules are the same between all three sister systems. If you're looking to run Empire vs rebelliion style games, then AoR will be just what you need. If you want more information on playing fringer characters, you may want to go ahead and pick up EotE. As for splats, there are three different categories: Career Supplements - These have 3 additional specializations for a given career along with plot hooks, obligations, and gear suited for said Career. So far, AoR only has one of these released, Stay on Target for the Ace career, but EotE has career supplements out for 4 of its 6 careers. Premade Adventures - EotE has 2 of these, AoR 1. Each is a 3-act campaign to take players through. There's always been split opinions on pre-made adventures..some GMs love them for taking a lot of the burden out of running a game, others hate them for railroading players and limiting creativity. I haven't run the adventure for AoR, but that one in particular I remember seeing some bad press about. Setting Sourcebooks - AoR currently doesn't have one of these, but EotE has one for Hutt Space and one for the Corellian system. These are fantastic resources for detailed information about their respective locations; complete with more player species, and little adventure hooks on planets in said sectors. I would personally recommend picking up a career splat for a career you're interested in playing (or have players in your group that use), as well as a setting book (for AoR, i'd tend to recommend the Corellian book over the Hutt one).
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May 6, 2015 20:23
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Could I use the setting books for Edge of the Empire easily for a Age of Rebellion game, or are they tied fairly close?
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May 6, 2015 20:30
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Could I use the setting books for Edge of the Empire easily for a Age of Rebellion game, or are they tied fairly close? If nothing else you can lift a lot of the basic location information (this sector has X planets, ruled by Y forces, and have Z natural features) for any campaign you wanted. The adventure hooks seem a little focused on "what would a bunch of smugglers, thieves, and other fringe types be getting up to in this end of space", but it shouldn't be too hard to reflavor those. Worst case scenario, you have your AoR party 'go undercover' and basically play the role of fringers despite being soldiers.
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May 6, 2015 20:36
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Okay, that's fair. Also, given that I'm likely to DM, are the little NPC cards worth it?
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May 6, 2015 20:38
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Okay, that's fair. Also, given that I'm likely to DM, are the little NPC cards worth it? YES YES YES YES YES I cannot recommend the adversary cards enough. They're so handy for when your players decide to go off the rails and encounter some NPC that you had to invent on the fly because of COURSE the spacedock has some head guy in charge but gently caress if I actually gave him stats or whatever for making checks against, and what's this you want to get in a fight with him now too?? Its so nice to just pull out a card that matches the type of character your party has encountered and having a reasonable and balanced stat block on hand.
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May 6, 2015 20:43
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I loving love the adversary cards. They are super useful for quick NPCs and present all the info the way I need it.
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May 6, 2015 20:57
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Going to state I love the adversary cards as well. I use them for on the spot npcs, despite making stats on the fly as well. If anything else, they give a good guide line for fun encounters.
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May 7, 2015 04:21
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So is there a way to know what's at the end of your hyperspace jump? Like if a group of ships or mines are waiting at the end of a charted route? Is that something that could be sensed with a check or what?
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May 7, 2015 04:46
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Looselybased posted:So is there a way to know what's at the end of your hyperspace jump? Like if a group of ships or mines are waiting at the end of a charted route? Is that something that could be sensed with a check or what? I don't think so.
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May 7, 2015 08:48
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Looselybased posted:So is there a way to know what's at the end of your hyperspace jump? Like if a group of ships or mines are waiting at the end of a charted route? Is that something that could be sensed with a check or what? Nope. Well technically if you have a buddy in that system they can message you on holonet before you set out; I don''t know if you can send or receive holonet messages in hyperspace.
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May 7, 2015 12:53
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Servetus posted:Nope. quote:In addition to navigational hazards, there was also the difficulty inherent in communicating with a starship while traveling at hyperspeed. Since ships in hyperspace did not exist, in a conventional sense, they were largely cut off from conventional radio or subspace communication, since wavelengths of any signal would be massively distorted even if they reached the vessel. Hypercomm signals could reach a vessel in hyperspace, however it was very difficult to communicate in even this fashion unless the signal was sent from one end or the other of the traveling ship's course, or between ships on the same course.
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Looselybased posted:So is there a way to know what's at the end of your hyperspace jump? Like if a group of ships or mines are waiting at the end of a charted route? Is that something that could be sensed with a check or what? Depends on your astrogation check in my games because what better way to use a despair to get away from one Imperial fleet, and end up meeting another Imperial fleet.
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I ask because I found this adventure online that I'm running and at one point you're giving the PCs a choice of different hyperspace routes through a system. I don't understand why they would be given a choice if they wouldn't know what's waiting for them on the end of those routes.
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Looselybased posted:I ask because I found this adventure online that I'm running and at one point you're giving the PCs a choice of different hyperspace routes through a system. I don't understand why they would be given a choice if they wouldn't know what's waiting for them on the end of those routes. I don't know the adventure, but if I were writing it, I'd give the players the choice between 3 or 4 possible routes, either based on the results of their astrogation check or to determine the difficulty of it (gonna have to give that part more thought) The simplest and easiest course is a straight line path from center of origin system to center of destination system, set to drop you out of hyperspace well clear of the star itself. This has the benefit of being simple and easy to remember or program, and routes between hub systems like Coruscant, Corellia, Kuat, Dac, etc would probably come preprogrammed into navicomputers and astromechs. The downside is that if someone were to be hunting you or whatnot, that's the easy place to lay an ambush. Then you have more complicated routes, ones directed at a specific planet in-system, or to destinations that don't have a big convenient central gravity well like asteroid belts, secret deep space rendezvous and the like. Those will require more time to calculate and lay in, but otherwise aren't that much more difficult. The space equivalent of taking a backroad or detour rather than the interstate. Someone could still set a trap or follow you, but not as easily as the first method. Then there's multi-step jumps, bouncing in different directions before finally heading to the intended destination. Lots of math, lots of chances for something to go wrong, lots of reversions to realspace where something could be going on that prevents you from jumping back to hyperspace, but nigh impossible to track or follow. Maybe they pursue you for a leg or two, but not to the final destination. Then we get to the wacky stuff, like plotting brand new hyperlanes, super long distance jumps, courses past black hole clusters, pulsars, or into the galactic core. This is where things get interesting; as there's virtually zero chance of anyone following you or laying it wait for you at all...but the very fabric of spacetime becomes the enemy, and you run the risk of popping out somewhere extremely hostile, or nowhere near your intended destination. For bonus flavor and just to make this post a comprehensive guide on types of hyperspace jumps, we can talk about microjumps too. Getting from one end of a system to the other without actually going through the intervening space...jumping past a blockade and into the upper atmosphere of a planet, tiny jumps within an interdiction field using a HIMS system, all sorts of tiny jumps that navicomputers are gonna tell you are impossible to calculate or too dangerous to attempt. And finally there's the blind jump into hyperspace that will take you to God knows where, and you'll arrive God knows when. Do not do this. That way lies madness.
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jivjov posted:I don't know the adventure, but if I were writing it, I'd give the players the choice between 3 or 4 possible routes, either based on the results of their astrogation check or to determine the difficulty of it (gonna have to give that part more thought) This is good stuff. Thanks!
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May 7, 2015 15:45
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Looselybased posted:I ask because I found this adventure online that I'm running and at one point you're giving the PCs a choice of different hyperspace routes through a system. I don't understand why they would be given a choice if they wouldn't know what's waiting for them on the end of those routes. That's the one my party totally cheesed with droids I believe.
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So how silly would it be to try converting the old Star Wars Saga Edition Dawn of Defiance campaign to this system? I've given the AoR basic game a quick read, but have no actual experience playing or running the game yet. But godammit, I want to just once run a campaign where the party doesn't implode before even leaving Sel Zonn Station in the first act. I don't care how off the rails it goes from there.
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ibntumart posted:So how silly would it be to try converting the old Star Wars Saga Edition Dawn of Defiance campaign to this system? I've given the AoR basic game a quick read, but have no actual experience playing or running the game yet. Take the core plot line and scenarios but just completely rework all encounters. Players can handle waaay more than a saga edition character but have trouble with early armour unless they have bigger gear. For example the first fight where you bump into the Rebel Spy, the stormtroopers might be a pain but just gunning down hordes of people in less armour is no problem .
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ibntumart posted:So how silly would it be to try converting the old Star Wars Saga Edition Dawn of Defiance campaign to this system? I've given the AoR basic game a quick read, but have no actual experience playing or running the game yet. Man, I have had this same thought several times. Perhaps a goon collaboration to do a conversion?
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jivjov posted:Man, I have had this same thought several times. Perhaps a goon collaboration to do a conversion? If we want to do a big proper conversion we should set up a player handbook thing and give a big guide to tying in obligations first then convert the rest IMO. I dont know if people are up for all this though lol.
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