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OhYeah
Jan 20, 2007

1. Currently the most prevalent form of decision-making in the western world

2. While you are correct in saying that the society owns

3. You have not for a second demonstrated here why

4. I love the way that you equate "state" with "bureaucracy". Is that how you really feel about the state

triplexpac posted:

Check out this cozy little abode in Toronto, perfect for a new married couple!

http://themashcanada.blogspot.ca/2014/09/sold-233-leslie-street-rear-leslieville.html?q=leslieville

That's a pretty expensive shed. They must have a lot of stuff that needs stowing away.

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Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Unless you have some really high paying job that only exists in Toronto or Vancouver I don't understand why people stay there, specially if they have any dreams of owning a home. If you make enough money to even be tempted by home ownership why don't you take CI's advise and just move somewhere better where you can probably get paid more AND buy a house.??

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
- Living close to your friends and family in Toronto or Vancouver
- Not having a crippling mortgage
- Owning a house

Choose two.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Canadian dream is owning a $600k mortgage in Barrie and commuting to a $50k job in Toronto.

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

Baronjutter posted:

Unless you have some really high paying job that only exists in Toronto or Vancouver I don't understand why people stay there, specially if they have any dreams of owning a home. If you make enough money to even be tempted by home ownership why don't you take CI's advise and just move somewhere better where you can probably get paid more AND buy a house.??

Are there jobs outside of major metro areas like Toronto or Vancouver? I just assumed that houses were cheap elsewhere because no one made any money.

Baudin
Dec 31, 2009

triplexpac posted:

Are there jobs outside of major metro areas like Toronto or Vancouver? I just assumed that houses were cheap elsewhere because no one made any money.

It's not the jobs per se, it's the social amenties of living in a "world class city"

Excuse my while I go laugh myself silly out back.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Daughter+mysterious+developer+president+Liberal+party/11028325/story.html

quote:


Daughter of mysterious developer on way out as president of Liberal party group

by CASSIDY OLIVIER, theprovince.com
May 4

Urgent discussions were held over the weekend to address a leadership dilemma within the Young Liberal Party of Canada in B.C.

The Province has learned that the issue is linked to growing concern about the case of an alleged Chinese fugitive who is living in Vancouver.

The current president of the YLC-BC is Linda Ching, who is the daughter of Michael Ching (also known as Mo Yeung Ching), a prominent Vancouver developer wanted in Beijing under the name of Muyang Cheng for alleged graft and corruption. Lawyers for Ching, 45, have denied all the allegations.

Linda Ching’s presidency has allegedly been an issue since around February, according to some party insiders. However, the recent spotlight on her father has accelerated the need to replace her, The Province was told by someone who was present at the weekend meeting of young Liberals.

“They decided that they are going to let someone else be the president,” said the person who was at the meeting, adding the general sense of the gathering was “let’s fix this.”

“It was productive. (The sense was) ‘we are in a mess, let’s get out of this mess.’”

The meeting, held in Richmond, was attended by 10 to12 young Liberals, The Province was told, and allegedly also one senior executive of the Liberal Party of Canada in B.C. Efforts to contact the senior executive to confirm that attendance were unsuccessful.

Olivier Duchesneau, the communications manager and spokesman for the Liberal Party of Canada, was unaware of the weekend meeting when contacted by The Province. In an email exchange late last week, he did, however, confirm that Linda Ching’s “mandate” was ending “within the next month.”

Efforts to contact Linda Ching were also unsuccessful.

In addition to her current role as president of the YLC-BC, Ching is also the president of Tru-Youths United, a politically active “Chinese youth volunteer group” that she “helped establish,” according to online bios.

Corporate records show she is one of five directors. One of the other listed directors shares an address with Raymond Chan, the former Richmond Liberal MP and cabinet minister, who is reportedly a close friend of Michael Ching.



Haha this is so awesome.

Gorau
Apr 28, 2008

Reverse Centaur posted:

So glad I bought a shoebox condo so I can get on the equity ladder and make that easy step up to real home ownership. God loving dammit

Average home price in West Vancouver, not to be confused with the west end, or the west side of Vancouver, is now $3.76 million btw.

West Vancouver is poo poo, the West End is way better.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
with some exceptions it is way more difficult to find work in smaller cities because their economies are usually focused on 1-2 sectors and the turnover is low

so unless you work in those specific sectors, like technology in waterloo or government in ottawa, you're going to have trouble finding work. even then, people with good paying jobs in a smaller city aren't going to give those up very often. there's not the same lateral movement you would get in a big city

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

cowofwar posted:

Canadian dream is owning a $600k mortgage in Barrie for the privledge of commuting to a $50k job in Toronto.

Ftfy, this is seriously our country right now. It sucks real bad.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

RBC posted:

with some exceptions it is way more difficult to find work in smaller cities because their economies are usually focused on 1-2 sectors and the turnover is low

so unless you work in those specific sectors, like technology in waterloo or government in ottawa, you're going to have trouble finding work. even then, people with good paying jobs in a smaller city aren't going to give those up very often. there's not the same lateral movement you would get in a big city

Interestingly, the unemployment rate is 7.3 in Toronto, 7.2 in Ottawa, 6.7 in Kingston, 5.5 in Waterloo, 5.1 in Peterborough and 4.8 in Guelph. Actually, yes please stay in the big cities, we're crowded enough out here as it is.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Ikantski posted:

Interestingly, the unemployment rate is 7.3 in Toronto, 7.2 in Ottawa, 6.7 in Kingston, 5.5 in Waterloo, 5.1 in Peterborough and 4.8 in Guelph. Actually, yes please stay in the big cities, we're crowded enough out here as it is.

unemployment rates aren't usually all that accurate

i moved to toronto from peterborough for work and jesus christ the situation is night and day. that city is hosed

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Gorau posted:

West Vancouver is poo poo, the West End is way better.

West Van is pretty amazing, c'mon. At least it has something tangible to justify high prices (nice beaches/amazing views), unlike a neighbourhood like Shaughnessy, which is "rich people live here because rich people live here."

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
The most scenic bike ride in Vancouver is along marine drive to horseshoe bay. But gently caress living there. We need to toll the gently caress out of the lions gate or whatever they replace it with.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Baronjutter posted:

Unless you have some really high paying job that only exists in Toronto or Vancouver I don't understand why people stay there, specially if they have any dreams of owning a home. If you make enough money to even be tempted by home ownership why don't you take CI's advise and just move somewhere better where you can probably get paid more AND buy a house.??

For a lot of second generation Vancouverites, eventual inheritance is keeping us from uprooting. My wife's friend just got $550,000 from her parent's Kitsilano home sale, so she can now afford something herself.

I truly wonder about people who have no hope though. I think someone on the goon meet thread said a lot of friends are seriously just planning suicide when the being a starving ex-student thing gets unbearable.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Reverse Centaur posted:

I think someone on the goon meet thread said a lot of friends are seriously just planning suicide when the being a starving ex-student thing gets unbearable.

The bubble will burst when the last bear throws in the towel. :eng101:

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Reverse Centaur posted:

For a lot of second generation Vancouverites, eventual inheritance is keeping us from uprooting. My wife's friend just got $550,000 from her parent's Kitsilano home sale, so she can now afford something herself.

I truly wonder about people who have no hope though. I think someone on the goon meet thread said a lot of friends are seriously just planning suicide when the being a starving ex-student thing gets unbearable.

Its funny me and my wife are both only-children and I have all my extended family here but I've pretty much never though in inheritance. I just assume boomers will some how spend everything and grandparents will require expensive care. I could have over a million, or nothing, coming. I guess I should start thinking about this, assume I'm getting everything and their houses will go up in value and go out and get me a mortgage that absolutely depends on this.

People should really bank less on inheritance. Sometimes the will is a surprise and that 50% share you thought you'd' get turns out to be 25%. Sometimes your "rich parents" turn out to have a poo poo ton of debt they were too proud to ever tell anyone about. Sometimes in the last few years of her life mom suddenly becomes a gambling addict and blows through over a million in a couple years and ends up homeless and in debt and still in denial about her gambling addiction. Sometimes your parents just never die but become more and more expensive.

People banking and planning their finances around inheritance seem morbidly greedy, plus really stupid.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Not greedy and stupid, just the only option. And yeah even though my parents have done alright I don't expect them to have anything left. It's my father in law's real estate dealings that have me feeling relatively OK with staying here. But of course that can end with a divorce.

If it was up to me alone we would have moved to Calgary back in 2005ish. Very reluctantly.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

That's the problem with most of Canada, it's actually not a great place to live. There's not a lot of options even if money isn't a huge issue, and if you actually want a job you have to deal with having a good job in an ok but insanely expensive city, a bad job in an ok city, or a good job in a garbage city.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Boomers are going to live a long time. I think longer than people expect. There's going to be a multi decade gap between when older Millenials are having kids and looking around for a larger place (i.e. now) and when their inheritance arrives.

Waiting for an inheritance isn't a real plan and people can't tread water that long. If people are lucky I guess their parents will cosign a mortgage for them or just loan them money? That's really the only possible way I can see how anyone could buy a house at this point.

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

RBC posted:

unemployment rates aren't usually all that accurate

i moved to toronto from peterborough for work and jesus christ the situation is night and day. that city is hosed

Please explain. Is it that there's less unemployment in peterborough but the jobs that are there can't really be lived on?

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

cowofwar posted:

Canadian dream is owning a $600k mortgage in Barrie and commuting to a $50k job in Toronto.

This is pretty much the case for most of my coworkers. Everyone who works here comes from Brampton, Barrie, Innisfil, Aliston and Newmarket. We got a few people who own property up in Coburg and Belleville where they stay for weekends and then rent out an apartment here for the weekdays.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/social-housing-to-have-separate-entrance-to-vancouver-high-rise-1.3061196

Holy loving poo poo this thread. Vancouverites are loving assholes of the nth degree

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


They did the same thing in NYC.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

Really? You don't think they do this absolutely everywhere they build buildings with mixed standard and social housing?

Newsflash: No one in the entire world generally wants to mix with those of a significantly lower income bracket, particularly when said low income bracket is low enough where finding feces in the elevator is real concern.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
^ and this is why the dtes is allowed to exist. Gotta put those people somewhere

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Yeah don't want animals who make only $50k to $60k a year destroying the place.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

There is a rezone application for a new building with a poor door at 2nd and Main as well. There was some discussion about the plans on an urban planning blog (price tags maybe?) and it looks like the justification for the poor door is to separate out the amenities (gym space and roof top patios) from the other non-amenity units. The poor door units have no access to the amenities. The idea I guess is that the non-market units are cheaper because they're not paying for the amenities. I have no idea if this is a valid reason or just an excuse (it sounds like an excuse).

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Really? You don't think they do this absolutely everywhere they build buildings with mixed standard and social housing?

Newsflash: No one in the entire world generally wants to mix with those of a significantly lower income bracket, particularly when said low income bracket is low enough where finding feces in the elevator is real concern.

I know a guy who lives in Woodwards and is constantly complaining about the amount of poo poo he finds in the elevators, lobby, stairwell, etc.

The funny thing is he's a pornographer and hosts massive cocaine fueled orgies regularly? :confused:

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


lol

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/dog-poop-samples-demanded-by-burnaby-apartment-landlord-1.3061379

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug

gently caress urban dog owners.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

They should extend that to a national dog DNA registry, test any turds left in public areas, and take away these shitlords' dog ownership rights forever.

Come on Justin, put that in your platform, I'll vote LPC.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
An incontrovertible fact about rear end in a top hat Vancouverites: they care more about dogs than poor people.

This will have hilarious consequences when the crash comes. In 2009 the battersea animal shelter in London was at over capacity and couldn't gas cats and dogs fast enough.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Around this time of year is when I start getting about 10 complaints per day about dogs roasting to death in cars (they never are) and disgusting homeless people that need to be dealt with.

Also I always think of this tweet when elevator talk comes up

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Baronjutter posted:

That's the problem with most of Canada, it's actually not a great place to live. There's not a lot of options even if money isn't a huge issue, and if you actually want a job you have to deal with having a good job in an ok but insanely expensive city, a bad job in an ok city, or a good job in a garbage city.

How does it compare to the US? Cause a lot of cities in Canada, like Vancouver and Toronto, seem pretty nice and much cheaper to live in than NYC or San Francisco.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Ccs posted:

How does it compare to the US? Cause a lot of cities in Canada, like Vancouver and Toronto, seem pretty nice and much cheaper to live in than NYC or San Francisco.

There are better jobs in those places and there are cheaper cities with similar jobs.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Ccs posted:

How does it compare to the US? Cause a lot of cities in Canada, like Vancouver and Toronto, seem pretty nice and much cheaper to live in than NYC or San Francisco.

What made you think they were much cheaper? Besides logic of course. You named maybe the only two cities in the US that are close to as expensive as Vancouver and Toronto. But jobs in SF and NY pay much better, and are more plentiful, and you have far lower taxes, and SF's real estate is downright cheap compared to Vancouver's. Manhattan is the only area more expensive than Vancouver.

UnfortunateSexFart fucked around with this message at 03:34 on May 6, 2015

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Hmm alright. Well, at least you guys got the universal health care thing going. That makes some of the higher taxes worth it.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Jan posted:

They should extend that to a national dog DNA registry, test any turds left in public areas, and take away these shitlords' dog ownership rights forever.

Come on Justin, put that in your platform, I'll vote LPC.

On a related note lol:

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Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Ccs posted:

Hmm alright. Well, at least you guys got the universal health care thing going. That makes some of the higher taxes worth it.

The taxes aren't actually substantively higher. When I lived in California, I paid about the same if not more taxes than I ever did in BC.

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