|
SocketWrench posted:all of it boils down to the US, Japan and TEPCO covering up everything This requires TEPCO to be so astoundingly incompetent that they let Fukushima turn into a Chernobyl+ scale disaster, while simultaneously being so thoroughly capable that they can convincingly cover up a Chernobyl+ scale disaster. Makes sense to me. Edit: quote:I think conspiracy theorists and rabid environmentalists have a hard time accepting that Fukushima was: I'm not super well read on how exactly the response went, but I've seen nuclear advocates trying to point out that Fukushima is proof of the safety of modern nuclear plants say that TEPCO actually hosed up pretty much every way they could have. So I'm not sure it was well-handled as much as it didn't really need to be handled all that much. Theris fucked around with this message at 11:41 on May 4, 2015 |
#
?
May 4, 2015 11:31
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 16:04 |
|
|
Reasonably well handled in nuclear terms usually means that the event was contained before it did really anything. Usually accidents of this caliber end up being total meltdowns, explosions, and massive leaks of radioactive material with a sprinkling of serious radiation poisoning of employees and/or responder teams.
|
|
#
?
May 4, 2015 20:47
|
|
|
Did you know that FEMA started stockpiling iodine pills after Fukushima? Why would they get the infrastructure ready if they weren't anticipating a problem? Clearly, we aren't being told the whole story here. Edit: The real answer is a lot more complicated than you might think. http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb.htm The civilian understanding of atomics is basically just science fiction made up for propaganda purposes. Obviously, this has a lot of ramifications for US-Japanese relations since the way WWII ended was basically a huge lie. So of course there is a huge structure of people who are "in on it". Complete with numerous whistleblowers like this guy. But the media keeps people in the dark. Shbobdb fucked around with this message at 09:34 on May 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 09:31
|
|
|
The hysteria surrounding nuclear power is something that really makes me sad. Chernobyl was a fuckup of such astounding proprotions, from the construction materials used in the reactor to the layout of the control room to the society in which it took place (it took 48 hours before Gorbachev was even informed there had been an accident) that a similar accident just cannot physically happen today. Fukushima failed after being hit by a massive earthquake and a tsunami. See many of those in Europe, do we? But no, let's shut down all our power plants and warm our houses with gas from uncle Putin instead, 'cause atomz are scaaaary.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 10:53
|
|
|
Mr. Sunshine posted:Fukushima failed after being hit by a massive earthquake and a tsunami. The Fukushima disaster also had a significant human element to it, as I recall, both in terms of safety oversights and in terms of the actions at the plant following the tsunami.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 11:01
|
|
|
Google
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 16:02
|
|
|
Theris posted:This requires TEPCO to be so astoundingly incompetent that they let Fukushima turn into a Chernobyl+ scale disaster, while simultaneously being so thoroughly capable that they can convincingly cover up a Chernobyl+ scale disaster. That's just the increasingly 1984-level bullshit that's going on in the world right now. Pick an enemy; now paint them as both staggeringly incompetent we'll beat them any day now but also so unfathomably strong we must sacrifice everything to defeat them or we won't have any prayer to. They're both completely incapable and omnipresent at the same time.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 16:58
|
|
|
ToxicSlurpee posted:That's just the increasingly 1984-level bullshit that's going on in the world right now. Pick an enemy; now paint them as both staggeringly incompetent we'll beat them any day now but also so unfathomably strong we must sacrifice everything to defeat them or we won't have any prayer to. They're both completely incapable and omnipresent at the same time. I've seen arguments from truthers that state the Bush administration intentionally made themselves look stupid and incompetent to hide that they were capable of doing 9/11.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 17:12
|
|
|
The Eco fascism you are describing makes sense - most people don't understand how nuclear power works, and this ignorance produces distrust and fear. Competitors with deep pockets (oil companies) harness this, making the opposition both 'dumb' and 'powerful'.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 17:17
|
|
|
Part of it is that they are that stupid. And they have their own petty conflicts as well. If you look at people like Bush, Wolfowitz, Queen Elizabeth II, you don't see stunningly competent people. They've been placed in positions of great power but that doesn't mean things will always go their way. I mean, hell, look at the Rothschilds. There is all kinds of tabloid level fighting going on both within and between the five branches of that family. Or the big German vs Italian script debate and subsequent WWI. The British Crown, the Illuminati and the Papacy have basically been waging a stealth war on each other for centuries with a whole web of every-changing alliances. That is part of the reason why they'll use things like Saturday Morning cartoons to program us. We are used to the seemingly powerful and competent villains losing to a rag-tag assortment of good guys. Mostly because the bad guys shoot themselves in the foot. So when we see it in real life, we dismiss it as a childish fantasy and try to come up with "more plausible" alternative explanations.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 17:20
|
|
|
ToxicSlurpee posted:That's just the increasingly 1984-level bullshit that's going on in the world right now. Pick an enemy; now paint them as both staggeringly incompetent we'll beat them any day now but also so unfathomably strong we must sacrifice everything to defeat them or we won't have any prayer to. They're both completely incapable and omnipresent at the same time. Thus by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus etc etc
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 18:08
|
|
|
Mr. Sunshine posted:(it took 48 hours before Gorbachev was even informed there had been an accident) Not even the worst of it. Multiple reports from people were relayed to supervisor of the unit, Dyatlov, only to be rejected. So people were repeatedly sent into heavily radioactive areas to try and feed water into the reactor which only made them sick to make things worse. When people with equipment to read radiation got high readings the men in charge insisted the equipment was broken. Hell, most of that equipment could only read up to 4 roentgens per hour so the men in charge said it was 4 roentgens per hour.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 20:52
|
|
|
So am I the only one seeing Shbobdb's bonkers posts or is everyone just choosing to ignore them? I'm reasonably certain Queen Elizabeth isn't in a shadow war with the Illuminati and the Pope.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 21:58
|
|
Tater Love 
|
zakharov posted:So am I the only one seeing Shbobdb's bonkers posts or is everyone just choosing to ignore them? I'm reasonably certain Queen Elizabeth isn't in a shadow war with the Illuminati and the Pope. OOC: Shbobdb is just winding up the easily wound by making transparent and boilerplate chemtrail rants. It's lame of me to explain the joke but it's lamer that it's been going on for like a month now and people are still biting.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 21:59
|
|
|
zakharov posted:So am I the only one seeing Shbobdb's bonkers posts or is everyone just choosing to ignore them? I'm reasonably certain Queen Elizabeth isn't in a shadow war with the Illuminati and the Pope. Well duh, everyone knows the Queen IS the real shadow Pope, the supposed deaths of popes are just her pawns escaping.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 22:04
|
|
|
Popular Thug Drink posted:OOC: Shbobdb is just winding up the easily wound by making transparent and boilerplate chemtrail rants. It's lame of me to explain the joke but it's lamer that it's been going on for like a month now and people are still biting. Oh it's a gimmick, sorry everyone, carry on.
|
|
#
?
May 5, 2015 22:12
|
|
|
Popular Thug Drink posted:OOC: Shbobdb is just winding up the easily wound by making transparent and boilerplate chemtrail rants. It's lame of me to explain the joke but it's lamer that it's been going on for like a month now and people are still biting. It helps to read other threads he posts in, where he's clearly sane.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 00:01
|
|
|
zakharov posted:So am I the only one seeing Shbobdb's bonkers posts or is everyone just choosing to ignore them? I'm reasonably certain Queen Elizabeth isn't in a shadow war with the Illuminati and the Pope. They're too high up to be placed on the removal list, but they're being watched. It's under control.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 00:15
|
|
|
razorrozar posted:It helps to read other threads he posts in, where he's clearly sane. It still somehow bothers me to read his fake crazy posts, because he does a pretty good job of faking it. It's like the uncanny valley of posting.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 02:57
|
|
|
Yeah, I think if he were using a new pseudonym or something I would probably believe he was for real. He's got that whole "I'm not crazy you are!" thing down really well, although I feel like he's a bit too inventive and a bit too rational.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 03:01
|
|
|
Krotera posted:Yeah, I think if he were using a new pseudonym or something I would probably believe he was for real. He's got that whole "I'm not crazy you are!" thing down really well, although I feel like he's a bit too inventive and a bit too rational. The only way to beat crazy is to out-crazy. For instance, chemtrails. Everyone in the know knows that they're a visual illusion to hide the flight paths of UFOs, nothing more, nothig less.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 03:10
|
|
|
A lot of the really crazy guys I know online just get really vague and mysterious while pretending to be very precise. They also seem to get loaded up with jargon (there's a lot of phrases like "dark energy" and "primitive cattle" that just keep popping up, I guess because they sound good?) and get really worked up over super inconsequential things/specific details. For instance:me acting crazy posted:Reptilians are four-dimensional energy beings. They have no souls, but they have a dark, but very vibrant energy field and "slow motion" vision which helps them camouflage their very dark energy. They are very advanced psychically and use astral travel to influence politics on our Earth. They can project an aura of love but only as a defense measure. Reptiles don't understand love and think of humans as primitive cattle. Their leader is called the "Pindar" and uses the swastika as an emblem. They like rock and roll/heavy metal music because it represents fear, power, and subjugation. A lot of those guys (think David Icke/AboveTopSecret forums) are "hippie" crazy though, which I think is where they pull a lot of that stuff from. You can probably be crazy in a lot of the same ways without the killer vagueness, and when you switch from aliens to Jew bankers you probably have to get rid of a lot of it.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 03:35
|
|
|
Aw shucks guys, you are making me blush. One thing I need to work on is Schizophrenic Capitalization. I figure if I keep reading Prester John's insightful posts I'll be able to apply his capitalization schema to crazy talk. Then I can give up my job, go out into the world and be a crazy person for real. Living the dream. Off ssi.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 03:47
|
|
|
Shbobdb posted:Aw shucks guys, you are making me blush. Move out of the Worst State in the Union and Escape the Grasp of your klan overlords.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 03:49
|
|
|
California is easily the best state in the union. Sane social welfareSame and mental health (compared to the rest of the US anyway), beautiful weather, fresh produce and more economic opportunity than you can shake a stick. And while it is solid D from an electoral perspective (nowadays anyway) every national candidate comes here to raise money. We even have the real first woman president as a proud resident. Carly will do to America what she did to HP!
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 03:55
|
|
|
Krotera posted:You can probably be crazy in a lot of the same ways without the killer vagueness, and when you switch from aliens to Jew bankers you probably have to get rid of a lot of it. Aliens are real, shut up, but why is every photo of a Jewish banker always so out-of-focus? Can't answer me that, can you. Also, regards alt-Shbobdb, surely more people must read stuff like ATS just to experience the real crazy from time to time? It's fun. Not that are you aren't exceptionally good at it, Shbobdb. I'm concerned when I know you're not serious yet you seem to make so much sense 
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 04:06
|
|
|
This is the most consistently funny poster on the David Icke forums. Take notes!http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1062474938&postcount=7 posted:So do u like yor experiences?? I love mine. Some reppies who abduct mee have wings . I guess they. R called. Draconianss. What blood type r u? Do u have adh. D. And. a quick. Temper? Have u seen the reddish reptillians? I have seen lots and a reddish one. Reppies rock.! The lies is that they created us. Not god. 78t7u8ij l00te9j8G 'have u. ever seen. a red reptilian? I have. He was odd looking with reddiish skin. He was holding up a coin.. At least for me. When i am n bed, they will jerk or move my hand 12inches. It is involuntary for me. They do it a lot. They have done it wen i am not n bed as well. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1062479200&postcount=38 posted:And ya, the rogue ones are so viscious they do like to do ROUGH stuff to you/me. Sexual too . 1 male reptilian came to my bedroom at my bed side, shoved me outta body, and PUNCHed me with his fist. IT hurt!!! http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1062481967&postcount=45 posted:Have you been having any more reptilian sexcapades? quote:Is your avitar the reppie u had sex witb? R they good lovers? Mine r. Do they have anal sex with u? Since u r a man. i am sure they give u anal. Do they get u aroused first?? My experience was pure extasy. www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285364: Grooming: How 4D Reptilians can make u GAY posted:OR Platinum!!!! lol They even presented me with GOLD in a dream they manipulated. lol Icke forums member ninjashoes posted:There is something strange about these threads/posts. I am sensing some type of manipulation.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 04:44
|
|
|
zakharov posted:I'm reasonably certain Queen Elizabeth isn't in a shadow war with the Illuminati and the Pope. google Lyndon LaRouche, sheep
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 04:45
|
|
|
Krotera posted:Reptilian NO HOMO porn Like staring into a badly-worded abyss.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 08:15
|
|
|
markgreyam posted:Like staring into a badly-worded abyss.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 08:37
|
|
|
Krotera posted:This is the most consistently funny poster on the David Icke forums. Take notes! My favourite poster on the Icke forums is tintin. He's basically got his own thread "The NEWS behind the news" in which he's been posting a never ending stream of the most amazing "dot connecting" I've ever seen. He started the thread in 2007 and has posted around 20,000 detailed updates. Some of the links are truely eye opening. I can't really do it justice. Here's a recent sample which I defy anyone to make sense of tintin;1062484453 posted:[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Black"][SIZE="4"][COLOR="Magenta"]Charlotte,[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkGreen"]Garland[/COLOR][/SIZE] & [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Sienna"]Horses.[/COLOR][/SIZE] II[/COLOR][/SIZE] I like to think he posts from a secure location, covered in tinfoil and surrounded by jars of urine. The walls will be an masss of red strings crisscrossing between old newspaper clippings, tintin annuals and Kevin Costner movies. Here's the actual thread in case anyone would like their mind opened http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11956
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 11:21
|
|
|
Illuminti posted:
Seriously, thanks for the post, but I'm scared if what would happen if my mind opened any more did this guy got in, like, at all.
|
|
#
?
May 6, 2015 16:20
|
|
|
Just saw this on NPR, and I'm sure a lot the known nuts are going to jump all over this and twist it out of proportion, but this is still pretty legit crazy http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/05/06/404764522/3-arrested-in-california-for-operating-3-000-year-old-masonic-police-department NPR posted:3 Arrested In California For Operating 3,000-Year-Old Masonic Police Department Something that no longer had any jurisdictional rights has been continuing to operate for who know hows long in the US, even making themselves look like modern cops. 
Lightning Jim fucked around with this message at 14:32 on May 7, 2015 |
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 14:25
|
|
|
Lightning Jim posted:Just saw this on NPR, and I'm sure a lot the known nuts are going to jump all over this and twist it out of proportion, but this is still pretty legit crazy That's great stuff, it's got all the right ingredients in it. Masons, "33" states, Knights Templer. But no actual detail. This could run and run.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 15:41
|
|
|
Illuminti posted:That's great stuff, it's got all the right ingredients in it. Masons, "33" states, Knights Templer. But no actual detail. This could run and run. Would deff like better info on this. Like the guys say it's been around for 3000 years, and that it was founded 900 years ago, and that it was founded in January? Sounds like mind control to me!
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 15:46
|
|
|
Starting to find more. This group really seemed to come out of nowhere. Either there has been a Masonic police force specifically for Masons acting out of a perceived juridictional right, or they just tried to come into existence and got beat down hard. I'm definitely leaning toward the latter Also this is supposedly their site: http://masonicfraternalpolicedepartment.org/ Can't access this at work as it's blocked on McAfee as a "malicious site", probably just had some compromising ads at one point. Anyone access? EDIT: So far I've found that Gawker's seems to be the clearest - http://gawker.com/california-govt-aide-arrested-for-running-a-rogue-mason-1702603692 I guess they really just tried to create a real police force on their own. That's still crazy, but more understandable.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 15:51
|
|
|
quote:The Masonic Fraternal Organization is the oldest and most respected organization in the “World.” Grand Masters around the various states are facing serious safety concerns for their Jurisdictions and their family members. The first Police Department was created by the "Knights Templar's" back in 1100 B.C. Reads pretty schizo to me! And all the links on that page are password protected so this is pretty much it.
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 15:57
|
|
|
Lightning Jim posted:Starting to find more. This group really seemed to come out of nowhere. Either there has been a Masonic police force specifically for Masons acting out of a perceived juridictional right, or they just tried to come into existence and got beat down hard. I'm definitely leaning toward the latter they got discovered because they sent an introduction letter to hundreds of police depatments. not exactly masterminds here
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:32
|
|
Shbobdb posted:
That sounds like a threat.
|
|
|
#
?
May 7, 2015 19:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 16:04 |
|
|
Shbobdb posted:Then I can give up my job, go out into the world and be a crazy person for real. Living the dream. Off ssi. watch out for the prodromal schizophrenia.
|
|
#
?
May 8, 2015 02:15
|
|
