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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Did something change about HBM? I thought that was squarely for 390x's Everyone expected that but people probably didn't consider the implication that would have for the rest of the line, or at least I didn't. Kinda makes sense that AMD isn't going to launch two totally different architectures tailored to the requirements and performance of two different types of memory, which implies that everything else will be rebrands. It's just some really weird choices of cards to rebrand - the gimpy weirdly-placed card from the last series, the midrange GPU from 2 series ago, and a forgettable budget-priced card from the last series. Like, they didn't even rebrand the 7870 XT or Ghz edition, they rebranded the plain vanilla 7850 for a second time. I guess it makes sense to wholesale that crap to computer companies to put in consumer PCs, but it's sure not anything that I'd race out and buy. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 01:39 on May 7, 2015 |
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Assuming they'll use the Rx 3xx for their consumer lineup, will they differentiate their OEM only cards from their consumer cards with just the X? Gah, I hate AMD's marketing. Why would they have the more expensive R9 370 lack features the R9 360 has? Even if its for prebuilt computers, that poo poo is unacceptable.
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Do you guys think they're going to launch the 395x2 at Computex, or just the 390x? Wccftech reported rumors going both ways. Not sure if the HBM shortage will affect that, if they'll be trying to flaunt their few new products, or if they'd want to delay it to try and get a second go-around on publicity later...
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GrizzlyCow posted:Assuming they'll use the Rx 3xx for their consumer lineup, will they differentiate their OEM only cards from their consumer cards with just the X? Gah, I hate AMD's marketing. Why would they have the more expensive R9 370 lack features the R9 360 has? Even if its for prebuilt computers, that poo poo is unacceptable. Please don't take my statement to be fact. That was casual speculation on my part. I only thought it suspicious that there were no X cards specced out.
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May 7, 2015 05:05
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Am I able to use a crossfire bridge for SLI with 2 Nvidia cards? I don't want to shell out $25 for a cable on the official website (plus $25 for shipping!). There are also some on eBay for $8, assuming those will work.
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Xenoid posted:Am I able to use a crossfire bridge for SLI with 2 Nvidia cards? Nope! But Nvidia compatible SLI things are like $5 or less on eBay.\ Edit: I see you ninja edited the eBay thing. Exactly, those will work fine. If you're using standard spacing in the PC, you can use the printed circuit board SLI adapters like the ASUS ones, they are slightly less interference prone and add rigidity to the cards so they sag less. If you want to do something like spreading the cards a few MM further apart from each other to help them breathe in a airflow-restricted case, you should get the ribbon-type cable. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 05:20 on May 7, 2015 |
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May 7, 2015 05:16
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Zero VGS posted:Nope! But Nvidia compatible SLI things are like $5 or less on eBay. Thanks. I think it's retarded that GeForce cards don't come with the cable when my ATI cards did.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Do you guys think they're going to launch the 395x2 at Computex, or just the 390x? Wccftech reported rumors going both ways. Not sure if the HBM shortage will affect that, if they'll be trying to flaunt their few new products, or if they'd want to delay it to try and get a second go-around on publicity later... I imagine it'll be the 390X only. Nvidia will likely respond with the rumored GTX 980 Ti, AMD will then announce the 395X to one up nVidia. nVidia will then release the Titan XYZ for 2000 dollars and someone will buy 2 of them.
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Xenoid posted:Thanks. They are supposed to ship standard with every SLI compatible motherboard, but many people get used motherboards or trash the box without hanging on to them.
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Zero VGS posted:They are supposed to ship standard with every SLI compatible motherboard, but many people get used motherboards or trash the box without hanging on to them. You're the man! I happen to have the box and the cable was in it, still in the wrapper! Many thanks 
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May 7, 2015 05:23
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Speaking of SLI bridges, how come the non flimsy SLI bridge from EVGA is so hard to find? They're going for like $200 on ebay. What the hell?
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repiv posted:Official specs for the mid-range R9 300 cards are out. Confirms that AMD are going to market ancient GCN 1.0 parts with no Freesync, TrueAudio or LiquidVR support as "new" cards Oh no. Oh AMD. What the gently caress are you doing? There will therefore be 300 series parts that don't support Freesync. This is the worst idea. They need to stop this in its tracks right now. Edit: Wait, the Radeon 380 is just a Radeon 285 with 4GiB VRAM? The 285 wasn't even an incredible part in its old stack positioning. I assumed it would drop down to the 370 position. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 09:19 on May 7, 2015 |
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Just based on the rumored core counts, I'm still holding out hope that the 390X will be a good buy for Crossfire 1440p/4K gaming or crazy single-card framerates. The rest of the line is garbage. The 285 really ought to be rebranded as the 365 instead, since it underperforms the new 370. Or, give it a special designation, like 370S or something.
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May 7, 2015 08:41
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Or just stop with the dumb rebranding bullshit. Call it 285XT or some similar crap, why keep changing the whole number if the card is the same, just higher clocks?
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Truga posted:Or just stop with the dumb rebranding bullshit. The clocks are the same
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Truga posted:Or just stop with the dumb rebranding bullshit. It honestly seems like they are sitting on lots of inventory and they chose this route instead of new manufacturing mid-range, but need to make them seem like more then they are for the OEMs to be capable of offloading them on the "buy my computer at Best Buy or Costco" consumer. That partly explains why they also are using seemingly random, mediocre variants from the last 2-3 generations; the cards they have enough of to not warrant much new product. It's definitely an OEM thing too, in the footnotes of the page (OEM) follows the card names nearly every time they're mentioned. If they do put the flagship card under the same 300 line as the 390X or whatever, I guess they assume people who care will know enough about the cards themselves to see the difference in quality. I can't come to another reasonable conclusion other then that. If that turns out to be the case, it's not really a bad plan at all; those cards are worth gently caress all as it stands, at least they'll get some revenue from them this way. The 970 just hoovered up the $300 GPU market anyway. Mazz fucked around with this message at 09:44 on May 7, 2015 |
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I'm kind of hoping the 300 series is just OEM, and that they will skip to the 400 series. In my dream of dreams, the 390 is a 4GB HBM card, the 390X an 8GB card, the 395XT a 16GB dual GPU card, the 380 is a 4GB HBM reduced clock 390 for stability, and the 370 is a 3GB HBM reduced clock memory disabled 390. The 360 can be a 290, the 350 can be a 280. Basically R9 is HBM, R7 is GDDR5 and R5 is GDDR3. Next gen would be HBM2, HBM, and GDDR5.
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loving hell AMD you're becoming a parody of yourself, ANOTHER 7850 refresh? REALLY?! uuugghhhhrhghghrhghgrrrrr This is all 28nm's fault, loving old as poo poo process die shrink your poo poo already GPU vendors god drat Perhaps since HBM is new tech they're having trouble getting a lot of it made so it'll just be on the high end stuff, and maybe it'll actually be super impressive! One can hope, because gently caress me AMD are really shooting themselves in the foot, they're not competing with nvidia well enough for them to matter. This is starting to get a little worrying. A world where nvidia are unstoppable is not a world I want to live in. Competition is good. I kinda feel like just selling my R9 290 and going nvidia asap.
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I thought this might catch the interest of others. This is a particularly nifty trick that ASUS has pulled for their new 970s: It's a shortened board, with dual inlets on the hamster-wheel fan for use in SLI setups: http://techreport.com/news/28229/asus-turbo-cooler-optimizes-the-gtx-970-for-sli TechReport says ASUS claims a 7% improvement over reference. cat doter posted:I kinda feel like just selling my R9 290 and going nvidia asap. Don't be so dramatic.
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Well, that's a reference board, not a shortened board. Still, I could have used that back when I wound up having to pair a 3 fan gigabyte 970 with the 1 fan itx gigabyte just so the 3 fan would overshoot it by one and a half fans so they could both breathe.
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Rebuilding my desktop since it wasn't POSTing last night. I'd like to do Skylake and 390x - lets hope I can get it together before Christmas?
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Zero VGS posted:Well, that's a reference board, not a shortened board. Still, I could have used that back when I wound up having to pair a 3 fan gigabyte 970 with the 1 fan itx gigabyte just so the 3 fan would overshoot it by one and a half fans so they could both breathe. It looks like 2/3 the length of reference 
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The 970 leaks before it was announced showed a short board, so I think that is the actual reference design. What's sold as a "reference 970" now is actually the 980 reference PCB with a 970 core on it.
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repiv posted:The 970 leaks before it was announced showed a short board, so I think that is the actual reference design. What's sold as a "reference 970" now is actually the 980 reference PCB with a 970 core on it. That is correct, the true 970 reference board is literally a 670 board with a 970 soldered on. You'll see that board on the PNY and EVGA 970 blower models, and the cheapest dual-fan Zotac 970.
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Zero VGS posted:Well, that's a reference board, not a shortened board. Still, I could have used that back when I wound up having to pair a 3 fan gigabyte 970 with the 1 fan itx gigabyte just so the 3 fan would overshoot it by one and a half fans so they could both breathe.
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http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-fiji-xt-r9-390x-pictured-features-small-form-factor-water-cooling/ Watercooled with the radiator built in?
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Heliosicle posted:http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-fiji-xt-r9-390x-pictured-features-small-form-factor-water-cooling/ It wouldn't be the first time a card shipped with a heatsink/radiator sticking off at a weird angle. I could swear I'd seen something laid out like that before, except that it was for one of those zero-noise, 100% passively-cooled cards for people who are into that sort of thing. But more realistically, I think it's just a glamour shot and looks like a shortened board.
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That would make more sense, didn't notice how short it was.
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So after sleeping on it another night, I decided to just get a 980. There is no way the HT Vive or Oculus Rift CV1 will require anything more then that, they would be shutting off like 90% of their market, right? Like, even a year from now, I don't see a card coming out that would make the 980 a terrible choice for VR. In other words since I just got the 980, expect a 980ti to come out next week, you are welcome .
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Poetic Justice posted:So after sleeping on it another night, I decided to just get a 980. There is no way the HT Vive or Oculus Rift CV1 will require anything more then that, they would be shutting off like 90% of their market, right? Like, even a year from now, I don't see a card coming out that would make the 980 a terrible choice for VR. In other words since I just got the 980, expect a 980ti to come out next week, you are welcome That's what I said about the Titan X. Heh, still no 980TI How do you put 2 of them in a machine with that rad on top of the card like that?
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:What did you end up doing with that setup? Because that's my setup and I hate it, both boards have barely any room to breathe hanging over my power supply because I run a mATX Gene why can't I plan these builds from the ground up like a smart person I built it into a Z97 Gene as well, inside a Silverstone SG09 case. The power supply has independent airflow in that case. The whole build was awesome and whisper quiet, and I wound up selling it to a local goon for like $1600 or something and I haven't heard any complaints since. I've since gone to ITX, non-SLA plays a lot nicer with my Oculus Rift.
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repiv posted:Reference watercooling for a single chip card? What TDP are they up to now 500w and it comes with it's own built in PSU and power cord. 
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Another pic surfaced, seems it is a tube-connected radiator like the 295X2.
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AMD needs to stop making things that make me want to blow money I don't have. Or maybe they shouldn't. An Nvidia monopoly would be bad for everyone and that is one sexy goddamn card.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Don't be so dramatic. It's no being dramatic, it's being pragmatic. The value of the card is probably gonna plummet pretty soon and I'm unhappy with the state of AMD's driver support (bad performance on new releases etc). I'm just gonna stick with nvidia from now on.
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repiv posted:Another pic surfaced, seems it is a tube-connected radiator like the 295X2. Oh so that's kind of nifty then. Can just drop straight in to a custom loop.
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Zero VGS posted:I built it into a Z97 Gene as well, inside a Silverstone SG09 case. The power supply has independent airflow in that case. The whole build was awesome and whisper quiet, and I wound up selling it to a local goon for like $1600 or something and I haven't heard any complaints since. My issue is that I'm pushing the 970s really hard with my stupidly expensive monitor and it's making the case both hot and loud. Hot, because positive pressure, and loud, because of the relative openness of the case to my ears to get all that airflow through. Basically what I'm trying to say is I've entered veedubfreak territory and need to get a dB measurement device ASAP. I'm wondering if I should either get a new case or stop with the SLI setup
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I don't buy video cards often and was wondering how much better exactly would the cooling performance be between, say, an ASUS GTX 970 and an eVGA one on ACX 2.0? I'm trying to keep a single card setup that will handle the output in non-gaming for 2 4K monitors and a 34" ultrawide and that will require a combo of 3 DisplayPort or HDMI outputs which none of the ASUS or MSI cards carry among GTX 970s. To further restrict options, I have a mini ITX case and the maximum card length is about 11.5" so Gigabyte cards are out. Otherwise, I'm looking at a stupid GTX 980 for better coolers and the output ports. I'm not sure when I'll go buy the other monitors but it would be within a year. Sounds like future proofing but gaming is not my priority. Screens and low noise and heat at idle are my priorities while being able to play something at 3440x1440 without questioning my video card.
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veedubfreak posted:Oh so that's kind of nifty then. Can just drop straight in to a custom loop. I doubt it'll be that easy, but it'd be cool none the less.
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