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suddenlyissoon posted:I realize there's a bajillion mods out (and I use a lot of them) but I'm wondering if anyone has heard anything new about future DLC? I remember reading an interview before the game was released where they sort of indicated that the low price of the game was due to the aggressive nature of DLC/Updates coming for a cost in the future...well, I'm ready and want to throw more money at this game for things like amusement parks, tunnels, new models, etc. I remember seeing them cite Crusader Kings 2 as an example, which has quite a bit of DLC, both big and small.
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Biggest human being Ever posted:I remember seeing them cite Crusader Kings 2 as an example, which has quite a bit of DLC, both big and small. That would be good. I'd hate it if they spent a lot of energy on DLC that just added buildings but didn't change gameplay, like expanding end-game or adding new mechanics (like having to vote in ordinances instead of just implementing them as Glorious Leader).
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May 7, 2015 14:22
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Pile of Kittens posted:That would be good. I'd hate it if they spent a lot of energy on DLC that just added buildings but didn't change gameplay, like expanding end-game or adding new mechanics (like having to vote in ordinances instead of just implementing them as Glorious Leader). Making tourism a viable city specialization would be great. I hope the tunnel patch will also make underground stuff such as water pipes bit more involving. It is rather busyworky right now.
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May 7, 2015 15:18
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When drawing subway lines, is there any non-aesthetic reason to make the curves gentle instead of just drawing a straight line between stations that results in a sharp turn at the station?
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May 7, 2015 15:26
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Bold Robot posted:When drawing subway lines, is there any non-aesthetic reason to make the curves gentle instead of just drawing a straight line between stations that results in a sharp turn at the station? Sharp turns probably slow the trains down a bit. I know it does for surface trains anyway. If the train is stopping at the station it's pretty much a moot point, but I guess through-trains would benefit from a gentler curve.
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May 7, 2015 15:40
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I do smooth curves just because it looks nicer. Aesthetics is all this game has.  Has anyone heard of any mod effort going into new infrastructure types? Like a two lane highway you can draw in one pass, or wider subway tubes, or even just some ploppable forks that cleanly transition between road types without making a janky intersection. Like something that starts out as a bi-directional four way, and then forks into a pair of two lane one way roads. I couldn't find anything on the workshop but maybe I just missed it. It seems like the sort of thing modders would go nuts to make.
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May 7, 2015 15:45
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I downloaded the Industrial Coffee Filter mod, thinking it would help me setting up new cities, but I can't figure out how in the hell I can actually get it to place on my map. It either hates being connected to roads or it complains that it needs to be placed next to a road. What do I have to do? I hate spending 30 minutes drawing out the same roads every time I start a city 
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May 7, 2015 15:50
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Friction posted:I hope the tunnel patch will also make underground stuff such as water pipes bit more involving. It is rather busyworky right now. Is there a mod that removes the need for pipes, or sets their range to 10000 or something? Also, how do you deal with gridlock on rail lines? I've had to disconnect my network from the external connection because the trains were backed up all the way to the edge of the map. On a related note, are there any mods that add different graphics for trains, so that there's more variety?
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May 7, 2015 15:50
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Sam. posted:Also, how do you deal with gridlock on rail lines? I've had to disconnect my network from the external connection because the trains were backed up all the way to the edge of the map. Someone said a ways back that every station attached to the regional lines will create trains at the edge of the map at specific intervals. So if you have a bunch of train stations it's very easy to get a logjam. Anecdotally this seems accurate to me, because once I started chopping off my commuter rail from the regional network a lot of problems disappeared. I also bulldozed a couple cargo stations and that helped too. There's tricks out there to only put one station on the regional line then make a loop of road that connects to a second station that services your city and apparently this works well, but I think that might be overkill.
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May 7, 2015 15:57
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You need to watch curves on subway lines as well. I watched metro trains get stuck negotiating a curve while a train was coming the other way.
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May 7, 2015 16:01
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Sockser posted:I hate spending 30 minutes drawing out the same roads every time I start a city Here, download this: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=437491709. It's a debt-free starter city, connected to the highway with 7k Cims. Should be small enough that you can still grow it how you want.
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May 7, 2015 16:16
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Sam. posted:Also, how do you deal with gridlock on rail lines? I've had to disconnect my network from the external connection because the trains were backed up all the way to the edge of the map.
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May 7, 2015 16:44
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Efexeye posted:Here, download this: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=437491709. It's a debt-free starter city, connected to the highway with 7k Cims. Should be small enough that you can still grow it how you want. This is fantastic and even better than what I needed. Thanks!
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May 7, 2015 16:57
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Sockser posted:This is fantastic and even better than what I needed. Thanks! rate it up for me then 
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May 7, 2015 16:57
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"We at Colossal have had to prioritize our efforts to working on the patch, which will include tunnels, European buildings and various fixes that will be specified in the patch notes. It doesn't make sense to us to start listing the issues here beforehand as they haven't even been fully tested yet. I hope you can understand that. We are still reading the forum actively and now that I am looking to hire more people to join the team we hopefully can again allocate more time to actually answering the posts. But please remember that I will always rather have the team actually working on the game and recently we have been very busy to bringing you guys the next patch as soon as possible. I can reveal that the tunnels are starting to shape up, but we are still working on the European assets. I think it's looking very nice already, but I'm a sucker for those old styled buildings anyway" A slight communication bone thrown, I'd still so love to see a little developer diary or something. Just some hint at how the tunnels will work, some pictures of how info on how the hell they're adding wall to wall buildings to the game's existing zoning structure. But we'll see when they're done.
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May 7, 2015 17:00
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Roundboy posted:You need to watch curves on subway lines as well. I watched metro trains get stuck negotiating a curve while a train was coming the other way. Wait, there is subway collision and traffic? I thought I didn't have to worry about that. I've got a bunch of shared stations and crisscrossing lines!
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May 7, 2015 17:39
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Incidentally, I have a version of that little starter city I'm working on right now where I basically have not expanded at all, but have replaced all the Industry with Office and all the Lo-D Res with Hi-D res. City is at 40k on one map square, I want to see how high I can go without expanding. Goal for this city is 1 million Civs, maybe that will finally scratch the itch- at least until tunnels...
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May 7, 2015 17:41
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Efexeye posted:Incidentally, I have a version of that little starter city I'm working on right now where I basically have not expanded at all, but have replaced all the Industry with Office and all the Lo-D Res with Hi-D res. City is at 40k on one map square, I want to see how high I can go without expanding. Goal for this city is 1 million Civs, maybe that will finally scratch the itch- at least until tunnels... Is it on a default starter map? That's gonna be fun without highway or train in that one tile.
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May 7, 2015 17:53
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I think it's on Lagoon Shore? I do have highway access on the first tile, but no train access. No industry means no trucks so it cuts waaaaay down on traffic problems. To be clear, I don't think I can do 1 million on 1 tile, but I think I can do 100k, probably.
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May 7, 2015 18:00
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With regards to future development of the game, my only fear is that CO will be too weary of changing game balance out of fear of people crying about their cities being broken as a result. I would love nothing more than to see crime be properly integrated into the gameplay, requiring you to build more police stations, requiring you to build courthouses to increase case capacity, and requiring jails and prisons for criminal capacity as well. That's on top of Offices actually being a proper part of the RCI instead of the weird easy bonus it is now. Also, I still really would like air pollution (and better looking ground pollution. Actually, with ground pollution, I am not sure why we need the zerg creep at all. I feel like an infoview would serve the same purpose and give the exact same information. I do like the messed up tress though. That's a nice touch. Though I wish the autumn trees were are part of the game seasonally, instead as a result of pollution. The other dead looking trees are cool though.
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May 7, 2015 18:51
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I hope they do what they did with CiM2 and have a nice easy to use ruleset editor. Don't like the crime simulation? Here's a bunch of sliders and fields and check-boxes to play with it your self. Think low density level 5 residential needs 10% less housing capacity? Oh hey just type in a new number here. Traffic simulation? Pages of options!
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May 7, 2015 18:54
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I've finally found a great intersection for starter cities: Cirdec's Beginnersection. I ended up using one at the initial highway intersection, then extending the one-ways and plopping this a few more times further down, so that the streets branching off of it acted as frontage roads. It worked great for me up to 10k before I began adding other highway intersections and mass transit.
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May 7, 2015 19:36
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Why do people have trouble figuring out what to do with the initial highway connection? I don't mean that as a backhanded insult - it's obviously a real issue since it comes up so often, but I don't understand why and I'm curious about it. For one thing, it seems like it's not that complicated. Connect the highway ends with a bit of road (or a roundabout if you're feeling fancy) and then run your network out from there however you like. But even more fundamentally, it's not that important. You'll almost certainly blow it up and redo it after a few hours so don't waste time strategizing about it, just build! Is it a sort of choice paralysis since it's the first decision you're presented with? Does this question usually come from people who are completely new to the genre, feeling at sea, and this is just the focal point for that uncertainty?
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May 7, 2015 20:04
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I think it's because the way a lot of the maps are set up money is pretty sparse in the beginning and it's easy to under or over build and gently caress things up, resulting in the aforementioned "30 minutes of drawing out that loving highway connection again."
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May 7, 2015 20:14
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Riller posted:I've finally found a great intersection for starter cities: Cirdec's Beginnersection. I ended up using one at the initial highway intersection, then extending the one-ways and plopping this a few more times further down, so that the streets branching off of it acted as frontage roads. It worked great for me up to 10k before I began adding other highway intersections and mass transit. I like it. Also looks like it has room for small playgrounds in each of the four quadrants. This is as important as efficiency. I've taken to adding playgrounds to all my complicated intersections and while the game doesn't explicitly have pedestrian deaths or have a pedestrian death statistic, once the playgrounds are there it is very easy for me to imagine all the hearses backing up traffic while bringing out tiny coffins, the sobbing mothers, subsequent spikes in divorce rates and associated legal fees being collected in nearby high-density commercial zones.
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May 7, 2015 20:26
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ToastyPotato posted:I would love nothing more than to see crime be properly integrated into the gameplay, requiring you to build more police stations, requiring you to build courthouses to increase case capacity, and requiring jails and prisons for criminal capacity as well. Would it be possible to mod that in? I might actually take a crack at that if it is.
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May 7, 2015 20:27
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Efexeye posted:I think it's because the way a lot of the maps are set up money is pretty sparse in the beginning and it's easy to under or over build and gently caress things up, resulting in the aforementioned "30 minutes of drawing out that loving highway connection again." This. I like being able to just plop an asset down instead of trying to draw and redraw things, or to have to go back later when the city is making decent money and demolish the whole thing and rebuild it. I built plenty of beginning connections manually, and using this mod just works for me.
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May 7, 2015 20:36
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xzzy posted:I do smooth curves just because it looks nicer. "Some Roads" I think it is called. It is as you dream of.
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May 7, 2015 20:47
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Sam. posted:Would it be possible to mod that in? I might actually take a crack at that if it is. I have no idea. Have there been any mods that basically add new simulation systems into the game? Because that is practically what you would need to do. You'd be changing how crime functions from the ground up (you'd also have to change how crime is generated.)
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Riller posted:This. I like being able to just plop an asset down instead of trying to draw and redraw things, or to have to go back later when the city is making decent money and demolish the whole thing and rebuild it. I built plenty of beginning connections manually, and using this mod just works for me. I get wanting a template to save time if you find yourself doing the same time repeatedly, but I have the impression that most people asking about this aren't just looking for convenience. Maybe that's my misunderstanding though. Personally I haven't gotten into prefab interchanges yet. The easy ones - where everything is standard enough to use a prefab - are quick to bang out. The ones that take me a while are when I'm building something specialized to a particular area, which a prebuilt asset won't help with. But maybe I'll eventually get sick enough of the easy ones to build some assets for myself. e: Speaking of road mods, are there any that let you control turning behavior on a per-lane basis? I know there's one called Lane Changer but all it does is let you disallow left/right turns. I want to fiddle with which lanes are turn only, optional turn, straight only, etc. Supraluminal fucked around with this message at 21:21 on May 7, 2015 |
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xzzy posted:Has anyone heard of any mod effort going into new infrastructure types? Like a two lane highway you can draw in one pass, I know I saw a mod that lets you draw both sides of the highway at once but I'm at work and can't really track it down atm. It exists though I swear.
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ToastyPotato posted:I have no idea. Have there been any mods that basically add new simulation systems into the game? Because that is practically what you would need to do. You'd be changing how crime functions from the ground up (you'd also have to change how crime is generated.) Does anyone know how a mod can override one of the classes in Assembly-CSharp.dll (which has most of the game logic)? If I can do that, I could add new services (or do pretty much anything really).
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You would just write a wrapper DLL named Assembly-CSharp.dll that forwards all calls to classes in the original (bit now renamed) Assembly-CSharp-Original.dll, but routes calls to blacklisted classes to Assembly-CSharp-Modded.dll..... probably I would be interested in a UPS mod that adds parcel trucks that deliver items to residential units, sort of the opposite of a hearse, which picks up items (bodies) from residential units.
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Hadlock posted:You would just write a wrapper DLL named Assembly-CSharp.dll that forwards all calls to classes in the original (bit now renamed) Assembly-CSharp-Original.dll, but routes calls to blacklisted classes to Assembly-CSharp-Modded.dll..... probably DO NOT MIX THESE THINGS UP.
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Supraluminal posted:e: Speaking of road mods, are there any that let you control turning behavior on a per-lane basis? I know there's one called Lane Changer but all it does is let you disallow left/right turns. I want to fiddle with which lanes are turn only, optional turn, straight only, etc. Traffic manager let's you set left/right/straight or any combination thereof for each lane.
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I want mail service, too. Besides that, why are there no mods for ambulances, fire trucks and cop cars?
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May 8, 2015 00:25
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Vahakyla posted:I want mail service, too. Why work on the hard stuff when you can bang out five variations of the same mod and 18 carbon copies of the default high school?
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ToastyPotato posted:Wait, there is subway collision and traffic? I thought I didn't have to worry about that. I've got a bunch of shared stations and crisscrossing lines! Yup. There are some fun bugs with subways, too, like trains yielding to surface traffic if the station-to-tunnel connection is positioned just right.
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Cakebaker posted:Traffic manager let's you set left/right/straight or any combination thereof for each lane. Hmm, might have to try it. Anyone know if it poses a risk of destroying saves? I know Traffic++ has (had?) kind of a bad reputation for that.
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Hadlock posted:You would just write a wrapper DLL named Assembly-CSharp.dll that forwards all calls to classes in the original (bit now renamed) Assembly-CSharp-Original.dll, but routes calls to blacklisted classes to Assembly-CSharp-Modded.dll..... probably I asked around and found this, which replaces a function with another function. But it seems really hacky. I'm wondering if there's a way I can subclass something and get the game to use that subclass instead of the original.
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