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xaarman posted:On a semi related note... Can you explain any of this? Okay looks like a lot of hiring in happening! What does this have to do with staff deployments (what is that) What airline is this?
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Captain Apollo posted:Can you explain any of this? Delta, look at the wings. He's saying to go from military into a shiny
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May 7, 2015 21:48
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So what. It's Delta! Aren't all pilots supposed to go regionals first?!?!
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May 7, 2015 22:10
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The traditional path was military or regional.
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May 7, 2015 22:28
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Is there an average count as to how many hours pilots exit the military with? I'd imagine it varies by branch, number of years, etc.
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May 7, 2015 22:34
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CBJSprague24 posted:Is there an average count as to how many hours pilots exit the military with? I'd imagine it varies by branch, number of years, etc. Platform is a big factor. If you're a P-3 or C-130 or KC-whatever guy, you're probably getting 6-8 hours per flight. If you're a jet or helo guy you're lucky to hit 2.
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May 7, 2015 23:12
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hobbesmaster posted:The traditional path was military or regional. There were some military guys in my ground school, a few of them actually were still active duty air guard. In other news I started IOE this week, O'Hare wasn't as scary as I thought it was going to be. I'm still confused by the several hundred miles of taxiways though, and we got the penalty box for coming in early on our last leg 
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May 8, 2015 00:19
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Captain Apollo posted:Can you explain any of this? It's a graph of who's been hired since they started back up their pipeline. Staff deployments means I'm sitting on my rear end mastering PowerPoint and not accumulating any hours As previously pointed out, It's Delta
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CBJSprague24 posted:Is there an average count as to how many hours pilots exit the military with? I'd imagine it varies by branch, number of years, etc. It depends. The averages are posted, but my friend was hired with 2400 hours TT, 1400 PIC, and 1100 Instructor hours. All high performance multi engine turbine time. Rule of thumb for immediate competition is 3000 hours, 1000-1500 TPIC. 2000 TT for fighter guys. Right now they are taking all Tier 1 applicants (3500+ TT, 1000 hours instructor time, Safety school, Evaluators, etc) but that pool is starting to dry up. Most guys who are leaving after their initial commitment have 2500-3500 hours with some variation of that above. We also log time differently (TO to LDG only, no taxi time included) so most airlines give us a multiplier... typically .3 per sortie. xaarman fucked around with this message at 02:01 on May 8, 2015 |
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May 8, 2015 01:56
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On Sunday I'm going to be taking over a plane that's in Canada and I have no experience with any sort of Canadian airspace experience. Anyone have anywhere that's good to start?
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My employer just told our union that they want the pilot group to take concessions (the pay cuts alone would be about 10% less than our current contract, on top of cuts in benefits), in exchange for not parking 20% of our fleet when the leases expire in a couple of years. This comes about two weeks after our parent company announced record quarterly earnings, and in the middle of meetings that could result in 50% of our bases being shut down (less than three years after they opened) so to say that the pilot group is going to be pissed is probably an understatement. Given that there are regionals with one year upgrades and flow agreements out there, I'm kind of curious how our management plans on drawing new hires to an airline with 7 year upgrades, no jets, no flow, an aging fleet, and a pay scale and benefits that are just as bad as everyone else in the industry, azflyboy fucked around with this message at 08:49 on May 8, 2015 |
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May 8, 2015 03:24
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Just met a German private pilot. He asked how much I charged to give flying lessons. He scoffed at the amount. He said he pays his flight instructor 6 dollars an hour in Germany. I asked him what minimum wage was. "8.50" He didn't seem to think it was odd he was paying a flight instructor less than minimum wage. What the ??? Can anybody confirm or deny? I thought the UK and Australia were similar to us in the USA. How did the Germans get it so wrong?
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Stupid Post Maker posted:On Sunday I'm going to be taking over a plane that's in Canada and I have no experience with any sort of Canadian airspace experience. Anyone have anywhere that's good to start? It can't be THAT different...just do what the controllers tell you to do, right? Unless they use meters for stuff. That just ain't right.
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Captain Apollo posted:Can anybody confirm or deny? I thought the UK and Australia were similar to us in the USA. How did the Germans get it so wrong? I paid my flight instructors £36/hour in the UK. Sounds like he got a pretty good deal.
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Captain Apollo posted:Can anybody confirm or deny? I thought the UK and Australia were similar to us in the USA. How did the Germans get it so wrong? You guys would be much better off than us down here. A 172 / PA-28 is probably around the $270/hr private hire, $300/hr solo, $350/hr dual mark these days 
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Kawachi posted:You guys would be much better off than us down here. It's a little more than this in Austria, even before considering that you have to pay for every landing including touch'n'goes to the tune of 8-25 euros.
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KCOU 090722Z AUTO 06004KT 1/4SM FG VV003 16/16 A3003 RMK AO2 T01560156 KCOU 090705Z AUTO 06004KT 3/4SM BR OVC003 16/16 A3003 RMK AO2 T01610156 KCOU 090654Z AUTO 08003KT 1/4SM FG VV003 16/16 A3003 RMK AO2 SLP165 T01610161 KCOU 090644Z AUTO 14003KT 1/4SM FG VV003 15/15 A3004 RMK AO2 T01500150 KCOU 090623Z AUTO 14003KT 1/4SM FG VV001 15/15 A3003 RMK AO2 T01500150 KCOU 090611Z AUTO 07003KT 1/4SM FG VV002 17/16 A3003 RMK AO2 T01670161 So that was a rather entertaining approach to shoot at 2 in the morning.
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xaarman posted:It depends. The averages are posted, but my friend was hired with 2400 hours TT, 1400 PIC, and 1100 Instructor hours. All high performance multi engine turbine time. You can't possibly be worried about this. Hell, I'm closing in on 3k and I still have 3 years left. If you don't have the competitive mins, just join whatever guard unit will hire you, and take a couple of deployments to the desert until you get it. Then again, I am totally banking on affirmative action to get me to the top of the stack, so w/e.
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KodiakRS posted:KCOU 090722Z AUTO 06004KT 1/4SM FG VV003 16/16 A3003 RMK AO2 T01560156 Hopefully you were part 91 unless you shot it during this report. Since it requires 1/2SM. I get to be part 91 now and its fun to shoot an RNAV approach requiring 1SM when they are reporting 1/4 mile because the owner wants to get in. We tried, failed, and diverted.
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AWSEFT posted:Hopefully you were part 91 unless you shot it during this report. Since it requires 1/2SM. RVR is controlling, so as long as the tower reported it above minimums they were good to pas the final approach fix. Dispatch is a whole other matter. There have been hundreds of times I've shown up at an airport with ATIS visibilities below mins and got in with RVR.
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AWSEFT posted:Hopefully you were part 91 unless you shot it during this report. Since it requires 1/2SM. Yup. Sort of. According to the METAR it was 1/4 at the time we shot the approach but both the AWOS and an actual person at the FSS located on the field were calling it 3/4 mile. Of course since we can't pull up a METAR in flight we had no way of knowing that it may have actually been lower than 3/4 mile. Not exactly the kind of thing that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.
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KodiakRS posted:Yup. Sort of. According to the METAR it was 1/4 at the time we shot the approach but both the AWOS and an actual person at the FSS located on the field were calling it 3/4 mile. Of course since we can't pull up a METAR in flight we had no way of knowing that it may have actually been lower than 3/4 mile. Not exactly the kind of thing that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. No ACARS or anything similar? 
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Butt Reactor posted:No ACARS or anything similar? ACARS was giving identical information to the AWOS, at least as far as visibility is concerned. Everything we had, ACARS, AWOS, FSS, were giving identical information. Not sure why the METAR on aviationweather.gov is slightly different.
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Meanwhile, in crazy town: KodiakRS fucked around with this message at 19:53 on May 13, 2015 |
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May 13, 2015 19:49
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KodiakRS posted:Meanwhile, in crazy town: Uh, wow. I know they are having trouble staffing their airline, wonder why they waited so long to do this. Edit: Upgrade is 5-6 months with previous 121 and they are starting a street captain program. AWSEFT fucked around with this message at 20:19 on May 13, 2015 |
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The conceit... its just... edit: Also note the bit of arrogance a the end - how they "can engage in discussions with both AAG and PSA to produce positive outcome" - note how Envoy is not even included in that discussion. I am really hoping this is a fake. Animal fucked around with this message at 22:07 on May 13, 2015 |
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xaarman posted:On a semi related note... Sweet. In my community not even the WTI Lieutenant Colonel types have that many hours. There goes that dream. Shoulda joined the goddamn Air Force.
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Bob A Feet posted:
Xaarman is in the Air Force
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Captain Apollo posted:Xaarman is in the Air Force Me. I shoulda.
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Okay I won't be so shadowy here. Maybe I'm Misunderstanding If Xaarman is complaining about low hours, and he's an Air Force pilot, then why do you think joining the Air Force would have helped?
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Holy poo poo Kodiak, that is just...wow... also, I'm ORD-based for the next several months so we should grab a beer sometime and bitch about work.
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Captain Apollo posted:Okay I won't be so shadowy here. Maybe I'm Misunderstanding Because a Lt Col is a guy who has been in for 15-ish years and doesn't even have enough hours. Although xaar is a bit short, at least he's in the ballpark and has only been in for like half that time. I've only been in 1 year longer and I'm at the average already. Air Force tends to get a lot more hours than the other branches. He is expressing regret that he won't even be in the ballpark for a very, very long time because he's not AF.
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Isn't that 100% airframe though? If you want an airline job afterwards to get the hours wouldn't you have to fly a 707, P-3/8, C-17, C-130 or C-5?
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hobbesmaster posted:Isn't that 100% airframe though? If you want an airline job afterwards to get the hours wouldn't you have to fly a 707, P-3/8, C-17, C-130 or C-5? Nope. Ran into a new Delta guy who flew F18s.
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hobbesmaster posted:Isn't that 100% airframe though? If you want an airline job afterwards to get the hours wouldn't you have to fly a 707, P-3/8, C-17, C-130 or C-5? True that not all airframes are created equal. However, all that stuff falls under "multi-engine turbine" time and that's what counts. Though I heard F18 pilots have some extra work to do to get experience in non centerline thrust aircraft. Dunno if that's true.
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I was merely referring to be hours requirement, but F-18 pilots making enough hours makes sense. Probably also goes for anything else that would patrol over *random desert country*
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The standards for single pilot fighter guys are a bit lower, the airlines know you guys don't accumulate hours as much as the fat guys do. Rumor has it 2,000 hours is the golden mark, but less is accepted (as long as you have your ATP.) There are three rules for the Air Force: 1) Better lucky then good 2) Timing is everything 3) There is no justice Once you've accepted that, life becomes a lot easier. Rekinom's career path gets him a lot of flight hours... mine not so much. I flew a heavy that did bare minimum flying unless deployed. I then went to a teaching job where we fly 2-4 hours a day, 1-3x a week. It's a lot of fun, but the hours are crawling. Now, as I rot (sun tan) in Tampa, I get 0 hours at a desk job. Currently at 2100TT with 700 TPIC, which ain't gonna move until the end of the year. But as you all know, it's frustrating to not be doing anything to get to your end goal. 80% of the AF pilots I know would separate instantly if they could smoothly slide into a Major airline. xaarman fucked around with this message at 00:22 on May 15, 2015 |
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Navy test pilot, still sitting just short of 2k hours :[
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