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Hoss Corncave
Feb 13, 2012
The end is near. Kick the crap out of that little prick.

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FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Zorglorfian posted:

I've forgotten if Flint shows up or not, so here's hoping we see him one last time!

In a surprise twist it turns out that he believes his other son dead and has actually spent all this time searching for that doorknob.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
Finished the screenshots for the rest of the section, the rest of this part's gonna take two updates. If I had to guess, there's five or six, maybe seven updates left total. I should be done by the end of the month, maybe even within the next couple of weeks, finishing up at just over fifty updates.

The final dungeon is certainly interesting, I'll give it that, and in a good way no less.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Is it me, or does Porky seem really lonely? Like he can't stand waiting to be a boss fight.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
I'd be lonely too if I spent an eternity waiting for the third Mother game to come out. And I was in it.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Honestly, I can't figure out Porky's face. Is he supposed to have hair-covered, invisible eyes, with a small arc for a nose and an oval of a mouth? It just looks weird, especially in statue form.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Ciaphas posted:

Honestly, I can't figure out Porky's face. Is he supposed to have hair-covered, invisible eyes, with a small arc for a nose and an oval of a mouth? It just looks weird, especially in statue form.

Yup. Can't see his eyes because they're covered by his hair. He's supposed to exemplify his name... Which gets weird when he does stuff like build hugemongous statues of himself.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Porky is a very weird character.

In Earthbound, he's just the wimpy rear end in a top hat neighbourhood bully. Then you lose track of him for a while. And then this "will never amount to anything" guy is suddenly the 2nd greatest evil in the world and very, very powerful.

You'd expect him to be some early game character, or maybe someone who gets a few joke reappearances later on. But not something like this.

FeyerbrandX
Oct 9, 2012

Ciaphas posted:

Honestly, I can't figure out Porky's face. Is he supposed to have hair-covered, invisible eyes, with a small arc for a nose and an oval of a mouth? It just looks weird, especially in statue form.

You Cannot Comprehend the Nature of his face! *80 damage*

Its hard for me to wrap my head around too, which makes me want to punch it even harder.

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

I kinda like Porky, precisely because his evil is so banal. Horrors the world over are seldom committed by cackling overlords, but frequently conceived by self-centered, conniving, breathtakingly petty little weaselshits who gleefully make pacts with devils

Poulpe
Nov 11, 2006
Canadian Santa Extraordinaire

Ciaphas posted:

Honestly, I can't figure out Porky's face. Is he supposed to have hair-covered, invisible eyes, with a small arc for a nose and an oval of a mouth? It just looks weird, especially in statue form.
Here's his clay model from the Earthbound guide- it's as the others said, his eyes are covered by his hair.

Carbon dioxide posted:

Porky is a very weird character.

In Earthbound, he's just the wimpy rear end in a top hat neighbourhood bully. Then you lose track of him for a while. And then this "will never amount to anything" guy is suddenly the 2nd greatest evil in the world and very, very powerful.

You'd expect him to be some early game character, or maybe someone who gets a few joke reappearances later on. But not something like this.

:goonsay: In Earthbound Porky is directly responsible for kidnapping Paula and traces of "some fat kid" turn up from NPCs for the entire story, many times he is directly responsible for the party's problems.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
It's weird, because he does kind of think of Ness as his friend, but at the same time he also sees him as an obstacle that's constantly taking him or his out of whatever good position he finds himself in, regardless of why he's in that position. He doesn't really have any morals to speak of, and doesn't really consider himself to be doing any wrong when Ness comes along and happens to tear down the corrupt organizations he aligns himself with.

So even now, he has some attachment to his "friends" who he really didn't do anything to earn a friendship from, except maybe Ness since we don't know how they got along before the events of that game. He hates them, but at the same time he also likes Ness and wants to be chased around by him.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Poulpe posted:

Here's his clay model from the Earthbound guide- it's as the others said, his eyes are covered by his hair.

Ah, that clay model helped, thanks. Little extra definition in the cheekbones helped his mouth seem less thoroughly weird.

Poulpe posted:

:goonsay: In Earthbound Porky is directly responsible for kidnapping Paula and traces of "some fat kid" turn up from NPCs for the entire story, many times he is directly responsible for the party's problems.

note at this time you literally find Porky has shat in the open in a desert town just because he could

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

SatansOnion posted:

I kinda like Porky, precisely because his evil is so banal. Horrors the world over are seldom committed by cackling overlords, but frequently conceived by self-centered, conniving, breathtakingly petty little weaselshits who gleefully make pacts with devils

I can't actually emptyquote, so I'll just say that things like this are what elevate Earthbound over other JRPGs for me. Sure, you're still fighting to save the world, but it's not from a dark god or an all-consuming evil, it's from a selfish, entitled little poo poo who doesn't even give enough of a gently caress to realize there's any credible threat to the world to begin with.

The best way to make a villain seem human isn't with a tragic backstory, it's with a good dose of petty immaturity. (That Porky came from what appears to be an abusive family that he still can't quite shake the thought of - see the robot waitresses - only adds a little more depth to that pettiness.)

KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 02:20 on May 6, 2015

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Cheez posted:

It's weird, because he does kind of think of Ness as his friend, but at the same time he also sees him as an obstacle that's constantly taking him or his out of whatever good position he finds himself in, regardless of why he's in that position. He doesn't really have any morals to speak of, and doesn't really consider himself to be doing any wrong when Ness comes along and happens to tear down the corrupt organizations he aligns himself with.

So even now, he has some attachment to his "friends" who he really didn't do anything to earn a friendship from, except maybe Ness since we don't know how they got along before the events of that game. He hates them, but at the same time he also likes Ness and wants to be chased around by him.

I remember reading somewhere that something that was lost in the English release of Earthbound was the main reason for Porky siding with the bad guys against Ness was because he asked Ness to forgive him after rescuing Paula from the cultists... and Ness didn't say anything. Granted, Ness is a silent protagonist, but Porky took it as Ness deliberately snubbing a genuine apology and request for forgiveness, so he decided, "Fine, screw you! I'm gonna stick with the bad guys just to spite you!"

Alxprit
Feb 7, 2015

<click> <click> What is it with this dancing?! Bouncing around like fools... I would have thought my own kind at least would understand the seriousness of our Adventurer's Guild!

To quote Legends of Localization on this subject, this is the direct translation of that line.

“That was really something, Ness! It looks like I somehow woke up, too. Let’s be friends again!
C’mon, reply to me, will ya? I promise I’ll be a good guy.
I guess that’s a no, huh?
Bleeehhh! (NOTE: this is him sticking his tongue out and going bleeehhh) I was just lying! Someday, you’ll see!”

So he was still a jerk anyway, even if he took Ness's silence as a no.

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

I dunno, that seems like you can play it off as Pokey trying to save face after (what he thinks is) being rejected and playing at sour grapes.

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piJ2MYcRJnE

Porky always reminded me of Kenny Allen, the power-crazed little kid who used to call into the Ron and Fez show (rip)

Medenmath
Jan 18, 2003
You remember in middle school how your group of friends included "that kid," the awkward one who nobody really liked but you kind of felt sorry for them and later maybe they grew out of it or whatever? Pokey/Porky is that kid, except instead of growing up he sold his soul to the devil.

edit: Most goons probably WERE that kid, but that goes without saying.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
Porky hates everyone and everything (probably including himself) while at the same time half-heartedly jostling for their affection, so he fuels his misanthropy by feeling like he's always the wounded party. Little kids sometimes pitch a sulk and wish ill on everyone when they're upset. Porky never, ever let that feeling go.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.

Oxxidation posted:

Porky hates everyone and everything (probably including himself) while at the same time half-heartedly jostling for their affection, so he fuels his misanthropy by feeling like he's always the wounded party. Little kids sometimes pitch a sulk and wish ill on everyone when they're upset. Porky never, ever let that feeling go.

He's basically a video game Eric Cartman.

Prowler
May 24, 2004

kw0134 posted:

I dunno, that seems like you can play it off as Pokey trying to save face after (what he thinks is) being rejected and playing at sour grapes.

It sounds more like he's making fun of the always silent protagonist--the one he's known for an undetermined amount of time.

Porky is just a little poo poo who is jealous of Ness, which manifests in impure, conflicted hatred.

SageAcrin
Apr 23, 2014

there was a mean thing here before, but now there is a dog
Honestly, you can infer everything about the character of Porky from what he does in Mother 3.

He essentially stumbles into ridiculous relative levels of power; He can do whatever he wants in remaking the world in his own image.

So he banally tries to remake the world the exact way he remembers his, albiet halfassed. But with lots and lots of tributes to him everywhere, martial law to make sure he's the one in charge, and also elephant ostriches gently caress yeah

Seriously, it tells you way more about Porky as a person than everything else in either game put together. It's actually pretty neat.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.




So, funny thing. We won't be reaching the 100th floor this update. We'll go to pretty much every other floor besides the 100th floor it feels like, but not the 100th floor proper.

Anyway, welcome to the final dungeon of Mother 3.





The first floor of this area we'll be visiting is a rather chill place, actually.



You see, there are hippos here.

This is the wonderful Hippo Pool. Here, you can swim with Hippo Launchers, gaze at Hippo Launchers, and observe Hippo Launchers eating. You can even fight them! That's dangerous, though.



Hippopotami that have been fancied-up and equipped with powerful missiles. Incredibly popular, even among women and senior citizens. Improvements to create household pet versions are currently underway.

Of course, since this is Porky and all, these aren't ordinary hippos. No, these guys are loaded with missiles.







Hippo Launchers are a bit unique. First, unlike most enemies in the game, they don't try to attack you. You have to actually go up to them and press A to fight them.

Second, there are actually two kinds of Hippo Launchers, though both look identical. The ones in the water have 50% or so more HP.





Otherwise, they're hippos. That launch missiles. You kinda know what you're getting with these guys.

Siren Beetle makes them much simpler, of course. And since there's a station to restore HP and PP, you can grind here a bit if so inclined, though there are later areas that work just as well.





If only I had research funding, I could improve the Hippo Launchers even more and more. Would you like to know how I'd improve them?

Either answer gives you the same response, except No adds a line, so...

Oh, c'mon, hear me out. I'd make it so Hippo Launchers can brush their teeth on their own, go to the bathroom at night before bed, and fetch the newspaper. You know, those kinds of improvements.



After a bit of swimming around, we reach this guy.

It appears that you guys appear to be suspicious guys. I- I- I- I'll beat you up good!





This is the land version with less HP. I beat it up, punched it out big time, kicked its butt, bit its head off, spit in its eyes, and made it wet its pants.







Moving on.





This is Duster's ultimate weapon. They're probably very stylish, too.



In the middle of this hippo-infested water, you can grab some Grilled Chicken just floating here. I'm not the first nor will I certainly be the last to make a joke about the odd places you can find items in RPGs.



ABORT



Some idiots have been seen pretending to be sea monkeys in the middle of a pond. Wahahahahaha! I'm talking about you guys! Getting all covered in mud so you can fight for your lives... It's all so ridiculous! *snicker* Alright, then. Get on the next elevator. I think I'm gonna sit back and watch even more of your stupidity in action. Come on! Don't give up! You're so close to the real 100th floor now! Ahahahahaha!

To be fair to Porky, this probably isn't just mud we're covered in.







Next up is a room with some rather funky music.



And a room full of what must be blind women.



The loot also sucks in this room.





We can also get some oxygen if we desire. And I desire.



Can you guys put your hands to your chest and say from the bottom of your heart,



Uh, no.

Then quit lurking around and get out of here.

And if we're deluded enough to say yes:

Alright, then. Please make yourselves at home.







I'm too lazy to make three more sprites for these one-shot NPCs that have one line each so here's three screenshots of dialogue instead.



The detestable Lucas and his pals appear to be lost in Master Porky's fan room. Hehehehe. Attention, Lucas and friends! Attention, Lucas and friends! Come to the real 100th floor immediately, if you dare! Ahahahahaha!



Anyway, this was just a small diversion with nothing else of note. Moving on up.







The next area is pretty unique. The song name kinda gives away the gimmick of this level.



Yes, this floor of the final dungeon is a series of restrooms. Of course, interrupting people using the restroom is a proud Mother tradition, so it's only fitting that the restrooms receive tribute.



And of course, many of these are occupied!



Including by Pigmasks. This guy's a joke at this point.



But it's a good excuse to use our Trivia Cards! These can be answered by human enemies, namely the Pigmasks. As far as I can tell, there's no way to actually find the questions to these. Also, not all types of Pigmasks will guess the correct answer to each trivia card. Different types know different answers.





Fortunately, the Major knows the answer to Trivia Card 1. I'll leave it up to you guys as to what the actual question was as a fun thread activity, but in actuality this is a reference to the somewhat-misguided ad campaign for Earthbound, complete with smelly scratch-and-sniff cards. Still mad I lost that strategy guide somehow.



No crap, we just beat the crap out of the guy crapping here.



Could you save it for later?



In each corridor, one door will lead to the next section. For the first area, it's the far left door.





Majors know the answers to Cards 1 and 4, but not 2 and 3. You'll have to wait until the next update until you can learn the answers to Cards 2 and 3. Of course, since you don't know the questions on those cards, you probably don't care.



Anyway, let's get back to the important matter at hand: admiring clean toilets.





You'll also have people rushing to the bathroom. Probably because this floor accounts for 95% of the bathrooms in New Pork City.







We can also fight a Men's Room Sign. For some reason, we don't fight Women's Room Signs. And don't get me started on the other genders.



It's got a good chunk of HP, but its attacks aren't anything to write home about. Well, its physical attacks, at least...





It does happen to know PK Starstorm, which, of course a Men's Room Sign knows it. At any rate, you probably should take these guys down quickly. I've also seen them use PK Counter.





Japanese style.



A duck type.



One corridor just has your party admiring a variety of toilets. The world of defecation is so wonderfully diverse.



This is a bathroom! What the heck's your problem?! What're you doing in here, anyways? All in a big group, no less.

Hey, we just happen to be toilet enthusiasts. Please, don't stress about us admiring the toilet you're on. You're not in the way or anything. Though we don't have any problem either if you want to finish your business and go on your way soon. Just saying.



Well, this won't do at all. I can't even see the toilet in here.

We're friendly ghosts who used to live the easy life in Osohe Castle. But some Pigmasks crammed us all in here the other day.

GHOSTS!

People give ghosts the cold shoulder whenever they don't seem mean.





The correct answer for Trivia Card 4 is "The Civil War." Again, you probably know the question on this card better than I.



The Red Collar is Boney's ultimate armor, giving him +50 in Offense and Defense. It also makes him look classy.



Hmm? I'm jumping and flopping around because I want to. Don't worry.



Alright, then.



Next area, more people with poor bladder control.

Thank god I'm such a fast runner! I made it just in the nick of time!

Ahem. I'm trying to read.

Look at the walls... Look at the door... What else was there to do, again?





For whatever reason, this one just happens to be mixed in with all the others, but I'll have you know this is MY personal thunderbox! It is NOT for everyone else!

I don't care, I just want to look at your toilet.







I wish I could work on a toilet.



This guy, he gets me.



Oh yeah, there's one toilet that's a wee bit dangerous to access.



For you see, there's an Ultimate Chimera in the bathroom. Yeah.



You want to retreat into the next bathroom, which is the pathway to the next corridor, and wait for the Ultimate Chimera to bust out.



After that, run back in there and grab the Awesome Ring. It's a slight defense downgrade for Lucas, but like the Awesome Crown it gives 30PP extra, so it's worth equipping. And the toilet? Still fine.



Eventually, we make it to the end of this delightful romp.



And the fond memories and experiences I experienced in the hall of bathrooms are instantly ruined.



Did you enjoy my special all-you-can-pee toilet dungeon? Now, then! I have some sad news for you! This place you're at now isn't really the 100th floor! It's a fake! Ahahahahaha! You're nothing but a cheap toy crawling around in the palm of my hand!



Heh heh. Board the elevator just ahead.



In a way, this toilet is the most sympathetic character in the game. I can't imagine a tyrannical Porky's diet being that good for plumbing.







Next up is a floor whose only purpose is to answer a question you may have had.



That is, what is the deal with Locria, the final Magypsie?



And then make it to the REAL 100th floor!

Before we do that, let's visit Locria's house.



...what.



So, uh... as you may have guessed from the horns and multitude of bananas lying around...



Yep, Locria, the final Magypsie whose Needle we are currently seeking out, the one who betrayed the others and exposed the secret of the Needles to Porky, is none other than complete jerkwad Fassad.





Anyway, let's get Fassad's razor and lipstick.





These gift boxes are nothing but Luxury Bananas and one Ancient Banana. I don't have the room for all of these things, though.



(I don't think Locria is coming back anymore. Oh, me? I'm a mouse Locria liked to dote over. He had a creepy "Nwehehehehe" laugh, so he might've seemed like a mean person in most people's eyes, but he was very nice to me, at least. Do you think he'll be coming home soon? I'm so lonely.)

Sorry, but no. No, game, you're not going to make me sympathize for Fassad, the guy who in Chapter 3 showed no qualms in torturing Salsa for the fun of it and constantly threatening to kill his girlfriend. The guy whose only character development was "Got increasingly pissed at Lucas after he keeps beating the crap out of him."

I honestly don't know if this is meant to be sincere or if it's supposed to be a parody of "last minute redemption of the big bad" thing that many other forms of media do. The former just feels like such a giant misstep in a series that usually avoids them well in its stories that I can't help but feel this is more a joke than a sad attempt to redeem Fassad.

Edit: Goons understand this part better than I, so I'll let them sum this up in case you're dumb like me.

RareAcumen posted:

You'll be pleased to know that that's not what they were going for at all. The mouse is just to show that Locria had it in him to be a good person but then he went bad. And he went sooo soooooooooo bad too. The mouse doesn't even realize that it's basically defending Locria like an backhanded compliment. 'He might've seemed kinda evil but he was always nice to me though!' That doesn't help, mouse.

At any rate, we have a fat kid to beat up.







Next up is a construction area. Another place to heal up, at least.



Which is good, because there's several new enemies on this floor.







First up, the Boa Transistor.





It can poison, it can inflict strangeness, and it can attack. Its HP is low, though.





It can also summon more foes to take you down. More on these guys in a bit.





Next up, the K9000.





The K9000 can release mini-mecha dogs at three characters for decent damage.





It can also bring people to tears.







Next up, the Rhinocerocket Mark II.









The Rhinocerocket Mark II can do the "Attack everyone once, turn around, and attack them again the other way in the same turn" thing that the first one can do. That's really all I've seen from it besides lamer regular attacks.





You're interfering with the construction, but I welcome you just the same!



Let's say you tackle this guy.



Then this happens and he becomes a bridge.



If not, then get lost, okay?

You know, it'd be pretty terrible if someone where to tackle you right now...

There's loot in the top room, so let's visit.



What're you talkin' about, you jerk?! Even if I was afraid of 'em, it's not like I can just quit any time I want! That's what it means to be a father!



This is a pizza that's a favorite. Restores 250HP. Enjoy!





Also enjoy this PSI. Fire Omega does around 300 damage for 40PP to all enemies. Honestly, this is really terrible because for 8PP more you can do over twice that with Starstorm. Even hitting a weakness won't be enough to overcome that, and that's even before considering that at this stage of the game most enemies are going to be weak to Thunder from here on out, all ten-ish of them left to go through. I certainly hope the game didn't expect you to hit L53 with Kumatora before picking up Starstorm at the end of Chapter 7, because that's the only time this would be useful.

PSI Counter Omega is useful for countering powerful PSI. It's a step up from Counter because Defense Up won't affect PSI attacks, and for the higher attacks it'll do solid damage.







The last new enemy on this floor is the Love Walker.



I don't know what all attacks it does outside of regular ones, Fire Omega, and Counter Omega.



I do know it's a good excuse to show off Fire Omega. I know, I forgot to show Freeze Omega, I'll do that soonish.



So, this thing has a 1/32 chance of dropping the Goddess Ribbon, the ultimate head gear for Kumatora and Boney. And hey, guess what I got in my first fight with them?

I give it to Kumatora because she knows PSI and Boney doesn't.







I forgot to talk to this guy before ramming into him. I'm sorry for my poor manners.



Pulling of this lever by anyone other than construction personnel is forbidden.



Amateurs like you could never hope to understand how complicated this job is!

An arrogant construction worker standing on one end of a raised platform next to a machine that will do something dangerous if I mess with it.



I think we all know what's going to happen here.



And yet, it does not disappoint.



Near the end of this floor is Kumatora's ultimate weapon. Everything is ultimate in this dungeon, of course.



Some idiots have snuck onto the construction site and are causing loads of trouble.



Come on, now. How about you actually try to come to the 100th floor already? You're really starting to irritate me! You're making my dentures itch like crazy! Get on the next elevator already!



Just imagining this is so disgusting I'm going to quit this update immediately.

Mega64 fucked around with this message at 10:12 on May 9, 2015

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug

Mega64 posted:



It does happen to know PK Starstorm, which, of course a Men's Room Sign knows it. At any rate, you probably should take these guys down quickly. I've also seen them use PK Counter.

This was a hilarious surprise in this area, and I was waiting for you to show this in the LP.

"Oh, the signs come to life, very funn-- WHAT THE gently caress WHY DOES IT KNOW STARSTORM"

MelvinBison
Nov 17, 2012

"Is this the ideal world that you envisioned?"
"I guess you could say that."

Pillbug
That Love Walker creeps me out. It reminds me of Tong Nou.

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010


Lysidas posted:

This was a hilarious surprise in this area, and I was waiting for you to show this in the LP.

"Oh, the signs come to life, very funn-- WHAT THE gently caress WHY DOES IT KNOW STARSTORM"
Don't forget the Ultimate Chimera: exactly the opposite of a hilarious surprise. :gonk:

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!

Hirayuki posted:

Don't forget the Ultimate Chimera: exactly the opposite of a hilarious surprise. :gonk:

But at least you're in the right spot for that surprise! :v:

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Mega64 posted:

(I don't think Locria is coming back anymore. Oh, me? I'm a mouse Locria liked to dote over. He had a creepy "Nwehehehehe" laugh, so he might've seemed like a mean person in most people's eyes, but he was very nice to me, at least. Do you think he'll be coming home soon? I'm so lonely.)

Sorry, but no. No, game, you're not going to make me sympathize for Fassad, the guy who in Chapter 3 showed no qualms in torturing Salsa for the fun of it and constantly threatening to kill his girlfriend. The guy whose only character development was "Got increasingly pissed at Lucas after he keeps beating the crap out of him."

I honestly don't know if this is meant to be sincere or if it's supposed to be a parody of "last minute redemption of the big bad" thing that many other forms of media do. The former just feels like such a giant misstep in a series that usually avoids them well in its stories that I can't help but feel this is more a joke than a sad attempt to redeem Fassad.

You'll be pleased to know that that's not what they were going for at all. The mouse is just to show that Locria had it in him to be a good person but then he went bad. And he went sooo soooooooooo bad too. The mouse doesn't even realize that it's basically defending Locria like an backhanded compliment. 'He might've seemed kinda evil but he was always nice to me though!' That doesn't help, mouse.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
I sort of think it's more that Locria had a good side in him, but it was reserved for that mouse.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
Now that the Locria-Fassad connection's been revealed, I wonder if anyone had noticed this earlier:

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010


Rabbi Raccoon posted:

But at least you're in the right spot for that surprise! :v:
In the game, yeah!

Also, that mouse made me feel bad for the mouse, not Fassad/Locria. Poor thing.

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe

YggiDee posted:

Now that the Locria-Fassad connection's been revealed, I wonder if anyone had noticed this earlier:



Mother 3 uses leitmotif in the soundtrack maybe better than any other game i've ever played.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


RareAcumen posted:

You'll be pleased to know that that's not what they were going for at all. The mouse is just to show that Locria had it in him to be a good person but then he went bad. And he went sooo soooooooooo bad too. The mouse doesn't even realize that it's basically defending Locria like an backhanded compliment. 'He might've seemed kinda evil but he was always nice to me though!' That doesn't help, mouse.

That sounds pretty spot-on. I was gonna say I take it as sincere from the mouse's point of view, but a joke to everyone else. Seeing that Fassad was capable of some kindness only underscores how much of a dick he is overall. Oh, so he can be nice to HIS one little mouse, but gently caress Salsa, it's okay to torture him, and kidnap his girlfriend. And screw the rest of the Magypsies and everybody in Tazmily.

Under the vegetable
Nov 2, 2004

by Smythe
Mother 3 has actual complex characters, even down to the minor NPCs, I love it.

Like, how many other RPGS have every single town NPC from the starting village go through this much legitimate character development, portray this much pathos? none. In terms of writing within a limited, accepted framework, this might be my favorite game. It does almost everything so right, so well, so emotionally.

That mouse genuinely did love Fassad/Locria. Some people in real life have priorities that flawed. They can love and support a microcosm while harming or outright working to destroy the macrocosm. Symmetry doesn't always happen in real life, and it doesn't always happen in Mother 3 either.

I love Itoi and he's my biggest inspiration in writing for games. "Mother 4 is the lives you are living right now." indeed, yknow?

Under the vegetable fucked around with this message at 05:27 on May 8, 2015

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

RareAcumen posted:

You'll be pleased to know that that's not what they were going for at all. The mouse is just to show that Locria had it in him to be a good person but then he went bad. And he went sooo soooooooooo bad too. The mouse doesn't even realize that it's basically defending Locria like an backhanded compliment. 'He might've seemed kinda evil but he was always nice to me though!' That doesn't help, mouse.

That makes significantly more sense than my interpretations. I guess I never picked up on that.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Mega64 posted:

That makes significantly more sense than my interpretations. I guess I never picked up on that.

I feel like I've seen that same exact scenario played out at least ten times but for the life of me I can't recall any one of them specifically. Glad I can help shed some light on that though!

It does beg the question of what happened to turn Locria so extremely evil in the first place though.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

We can assume he was always a bastard and Porky just made him an offer that sounds good.

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The Locrian mode, the scale that Locria is named after, has a tritone as the tonic chord rather than a perfect fifth like the other modes. The tritone is also known as the 'Diabolus in Musica', a Latin phrase meaning 'Devil in Music', in reference to its dissonant tone. This is likely the reason that the name Locria was chosen for the 'dissonant' Magypsy.

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!

RareAcumen posted:

I feel like I've seen that same exact scenario played out at least ten times but for the life of me I can't recall any one of them specifically. Glad I can help shed some light on that though!

It does beg the question of what happened to turn Locria so extremely evil in the first place though.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he saw the Pigmask takeover and them pulling the Needles as inevitable, and he wasn't ready to disappear. So he did what he had to do to make sure his Needle was the last pulled.

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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Leavemywife posted:

He's basically a video game Eric Cartman.
This is accurate. I believe Trey and Matt said that Earthbound was one of their favorite games, back when they were promoting Stick of Truth. That game came out 3 years before South Park....

I once had the PSI fever start when I was trying to run away from the Ultimate Chimera in the bathroom and got chomped. Dick move, game. Also, the Hippo Launchers are good to grind because they have a 1/32 chance of dropping a Thud Charm, which protects against all status effects.

get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 07:16 on May 9, 2015

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